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saprano's Avatar saprano 09:33 AM 10-01-2013
So when is verizon getting this in HD? I have the channel on my favorites but i hardly watch cause SD doesn't look to good.

HD-Master's Avatar HD-Master 09:56 AM 10-01-2013
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So when is verizon getting this in HD? I have the channel on my favorites but i hardly watch cause SD doesn't look to good.

Does it really matter? Nothing being broadcast by TCM is actually HD anyway.
AudiophileWalt's Avatar AudiophileWalt 10:18 AM 10-01-2013
TCM, at least with Comcast, is full screen 16:9 for those films (after 1953) that were filmed in such a ratio. With FIOS these films are cropped on all sides making the picture much smaller unless you zoom. Personally, I prefer the older 4:3 movies on Fios TCM. This is my biggest gripe with Fios tv content.
saprano's Avatar saprano 03:19 PM 10-01-2013
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Does it really matter? Nothing being broadcast by TCM is actually HD anyway.
You mean they're SD being upscaled?
jjeff's Avatar jjeff 06:50 PM 10-01-2013
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You mean they're SD being upscaled?
Probably HD downscaled to SD and then upscaled to HD confused.gif
Read basically the last 50 pages of this thread to see the speculations why they do such nonsense(AFAIK no one knows for sure).
saprano's Avatar saprano 07:28 PM 10-01-2013
Ok. This is my first time seeing this thread.
pittsoccer33's Avatar pittsoccer33 07:06 PM 10-31-2013
I've been recording a lot of the classic horror and suspense films TCM has been showing this month. The Mummy and Bride of Frankenstein from Saturday night both looked pretty good.

But todays recordings of Hammer's Curse of Frankenstein and The Mummy were both so terribly soft. Its like they pulled 700mb avi files off the torrent sites.

My dad's cousin is kind of an eccentric fellow who lives in LA and has been involved in the movie industry in various capacities. I found out he spent some time working for TCM helping research and write Robert Osborne's intros - pretty cool! I'm hoping to go out there this spring tp attend the TCM Festival with him.
whotony's Avatar whotony 08:26 PM 10-31-2013
While you are there Ask them when they will start broadcasting true HD on their HD channel.
bruin95's Avatar bruin95 12:12 AM 11-01-2013
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While you are there Ask them when they will start broadcasting true HD on their HD channel.

Nobody there will have any answers. The broadcast facility is in Atlanta, not LA.
pittsoccer33's Avatar pittsoccer33 04:47 AM 11-01-2013
I think he was just lamenting that for a network with an actual goal of preserving cinema history it is disappointing that so many of their films look awful.

This is a screencap from Curse of Frankenstein. Unaltered right off the DVR file



Their overscan control bugs me more than anything else. Im set up for 1:1 pixel mapping and their films almost always have slight borders all the way around. I realize this film was 1.66:1 (like Disney's Aladdin) and would have slight pillar bars on the sides, but most films are completely windowboxed for overscan.
Doctor's Avatar Doctor 11:52 AM 12-23-2013
All television channels will be broadcasting in 4K while we are still waiting for TCM to go HD. I just don't understand why France gets it in HD but not the US.
scott_bernstein's Avatar scott_bernstein 02:23 PM 12-23-2013
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TCM, at least with Comcast, is full screen 16:9 for those films (after 1953) that were filmed in such a ratio. With FIOS these films are cropped on all sides making the picture much smaller unless you zoom. Personally, I prefer the older 4:3 movies on Fios TCM. This is my biggest gripe with Fios tv content.
FIOS doesn't even offer this channel in HD, so I don't understand your comment at all?! You are watching an SD 4x3 channel...
Shaded Dogfood's Avatar Shaded Dogfood 04:00 PM 12-23-2013
todays recordings of Hammer's Curse of Frankenstein and The Mummy were both so terribly soft.

The Curse of Frankenstein has looked lousy for the last thirty or forty years, particularly compared to Revenge of Frankenstein. Warnercolor vs. Technicolor. There's a pretty good chance it will never look any better than it does now.

I think he was just lamenting that for a network with an actual goal of preserving cinema history it is disappointing that so many of their films look awful.

In all fairness the way their films look is not always their fault. They have been involved with a lot of restoration of silent films, to the extent of commissioning new orchestral scores (having several competitions for young composers).

I wish all their stuff was HD, but many prints have obviously been re-sourced from great materials and look superb. I thank my lucky stars almost every day for Turner Classic Movies and the great service they perform for international film scholarship.
AudiophileWalt's Avatar AudiophileWalt 04:54 PM 12-23-2013
"FIOS doesn't even offer this channel in HD, so I don't understand your comment at all?! You are watching an SD 4x3 channel...
Scott you are correct. But Comcast offers TCM as a "so called" HD channel. Thus, movies filmed in widescreen when they were produced are shown by Comcast in 16:9 on TCM.
seatacboy's Avatar seatacboy 10:33 AM 12-25-2013
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All television channels will be broadcasting in 4K while we are still waiting for TCM to go HD. I just don't understand why France gets it in HD but not the US.
Turner Classic Movies is NOT a broadcaster. TCM is not transmitted via broadcasting, only via fee-based cable or satellite subscription.
bobby94928's Avatar bobby94928 11:25 AM 12-25-2013
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Turner Classic Movies is NOT a broadcaster. TCM is not transmitted via broadcasting, only via fee-based cable or satellite subscription.

Umm, yeah they are! Broadcast doesn't just mean OTA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast
pittsoccer33's Avatar pittsoccer33 01:13 PM 12-28-2013
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In all fairness the way their films look is not always their fault. They have been involved with a lot of restoration of silent films, to the extent of commissioning new orchestral scores (having several competitions for young composers).

I wish all their stuff was HD, but many prints have obviously been re-sourced from great materials and look superb. I thank my lucky stars almost every day for Turner Classic Movies and the great service they perform for international film scholarship.

I just get frustrated with a number of things totally in their control that seem lazy. I pointed out how they windowbox films for overscan - meaning if you have your television set up for proper pixel mapping that there will be a black border on all four sides. Then take this recording I made of King Kong for example:

The intro (like many of their intros) was shot 16x9 for hdtv. But its inexplicably windowboxed for a 4x3 tv on the hd station


Then the actual movie - one we know has been relatively well preserved - has a ton of noise across the top of the screen that bounces all around. Its a bit hard to see with the white border AVS puts around the image but if you open the full 1080 image you can see it clearly.




Sadly the first problem is somewhat common (16x9 images being windowboxed for 4x3). But I cant think of another hd channel that deliberately underscans the image or allows noise to come through like that.
BoilerJim's Avatar BoilerJim 02:43 PM 12-28-2013
I've occasionally seen noise across the top of some other channels but never on TCM, and I watch a lot of movies on TCM, both on their standard and "HD" versions. In fact, I just finished watching The Far Country for the zillionth time. smile.gif
PrimeTime's Avatar PrimeTime 04:09 PM 01-07-2014
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I found out he spent some time working for TCM helping research and write Robert Osborne's intros - pretty cool! I'm hoping to go out there this spring tp attend the TCM Festival with him.
The TCM Festival can be pretty cool.

I live in LA and only attended once. But it was a biggie: A full-on "Cinerama" screening (possibly the last one) of How The West Was Won. Talk about widescreen!

After the show, Robert came on stage and interviewed Debbie Reynolds. Really special....
DSperber's Avatar DSperber 09:48 PM 01-07-2014
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The TCM Festival can be pretty cool.

I live in LA and only attended once. But it was a biggie: A full-on "Cinerama" screening (possibly the last one) of How The West Was Won. Talk about widescreen!

After the show, Robert came on stage and interviewed Debbie Reynolds. Really special....
I was there too. Really an enjoyable event.
anselmo1's Avatar anselmo1 03:42 PM 06-09-2014
I hope Verizon FIOS carries TCM in High Definition very soon!
jjeff's Avatar jjeff 05:44 PM 06-09-2014
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I hope Verizon FIOS carries TCM in High Definition very soon!


Are they actually showing HD or would it be just for better SD?


anselmo1's Avatar anselmo1 07:38 PM 06-09-2014
Before I had Verizon Fios, I had TCM-HD with Time Warner Cable. The picture was great with TWC.
nathan_h's Avatar nathan_h 08:23 PM 06-09-2014
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Are they actually showing HD or would it be just for better SD?

It's still just better SD. But think about the difference between VHS and DVD. DVD is just better SD, but it is definitely BETTER.

So while TCM-HD is a misleading name for the channel, it is still better to have it than the regular TCM, imo.
Gary16's Avatar Gary16 08:48 PM 06-09-2014
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It's still just better SD. But think about the difference between VHS and DVD. DVD is just better SD, but it is definitely BETTER.

So while TCM-HD is a misleading name for the channel, it is still better to have it than the regular TCM, imo.

Agree but TCM never calls itself an HD channel. Only the listings do to differentiate it from the SD.
veedon's Avatar veedon 08:58 PM 06-09-2014
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Does it really matter? Nothing being broadcast by TCM is actually HD anyway.

 

 

According to a Variety article from last year, at that time 25% of the programming was from HD re-masters. In addition, some of the programming was upconverted to "faux HD". The main criticism that the channel was receiving was that it did not clearly label which shows were real HD and which were something less.

 

http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/hdtv_tnt_turner_classic_movies-1200001916/


nathan_h's Avatar nathan_h 11:37 PM 06-09-2014
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According to a Variety article from last year, at that time 25% of the programming was from HD re-masters. In addition, some of the programming was upconverted to "faux HD". The main criticism that the channel was receiving was that it did not clearly label which shows were real HD and which were something less.

http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/hdtv_tnt_turner_classic_movies-1200001916/

Thanks for sharing that. I have yet to see anything that's HD on TCM HD. Have you?
StudioTech's Avatar StudioTech 11:42 PM 06-09-2014
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I have yet to see anything that's HD on TCM HD. Have you?

After 5 years since the HD feed has been in existence (and this thread as well) the answer is no. Nothing has aired in HD.
Keenan's Avatar Keenan 01:01 AM 06-10-2014
And why would they? They're still collecting those subscriber fees so there's no incentive to spend the extra money to pay for and/or encode for broadcast actual HD content.
Gary16's Avatar Gary16 05:27 AM 06-10-2014
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After 5 years since the HD feed has been in existence (and this thread as well) the answer is no. Nothing has aired in HD.[/quote

I have never seen anything labeled as HD on TCM. They run no promos claiming to be in HD. They never have an HD logo displayed as other channels do. Only in tv listings is the channel labeled as HD. It seems they're being overly criticized for claims they're not making. I get crazy watching some other cable channels sporting a big HD logo on screen on every program even when the picture quality is well below HD standards.

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