Turner Classic Movies (TCM) in HDTV! - Page 61 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 2Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1801 of 1828 Old 11-17-2014, 09:45 AM
AVS Special Member
 
nathan_h's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 5,132
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post
great, now tcm is hd and dish dumps it
I'm annoyed too, since I cannot switch from Dish, but it's partly Turner's negotiation tactic as well (to pull the channel from DISH until DISH -- and DISH customers, arguably -- pays a higher price for the Turner channels).

Anyway, fingers crossed they get their brinksmanship over with sooner than later.

____________________

Build Thread: "Nathan's Theater in Search of....".
nathan_h is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1802 of 1828 Old 11-17-2014, 09:55 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Jarod M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 15
If they really did switch over to "true HD," it seems like way too much of a coincidence that they pulled the trigger at a time when they are unable to come to an agreement with Dish.
Jarod M is offline  
post #1803 of 1828 Old 11-18-2014, 04:54 AM
Senior Member
 
Gary16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 320
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 12
They really did.
Gary16 is offline  
post #1804 of 1828 Old 11-18-2014, 06:26 PM
AVS Special Member
 
PiratesCove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Homestead, FL
Posts: 4,076
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 122
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post
They really did.

+1, Casablanca in HD.
PiratesCove is online now  
post #1805 of 1828 Old 11-18-2014, 07:00 PM
AVS Special Member
 
whotony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: near philly
Posts: 1,250
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Yep it's clearly a true HD broadcast now Finally.

Still not any info on the actual broadcast yet though or on program guides.
whotony is offline  
post #1806 of 1828 Old 11-18-2014, 09:55 PM
Senior Member
 
andgarden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philly these days.
Posts: 271
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I think there's a fair chance that Charlie Ergen, who is known--for better or worse--as one cheap SOB, said "why the hell are you asking us to pay for an 'HD' channel that in five years has never actually shown any HD?"
andgarden is offline  
post #1807 of 1828 Old 11-19-2014, 05:28 AM
AVS Special Member
 
pittsoccer33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh (East Liberty)
Posts: 1,996
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Liked: 210
for some reason I wouldn't be surprised if some suits never noticed there was a problem with the signal. like as in for several years some wrong setting has been causing the poor picture quality.


to film 16x9 segments for the channel, and then add overscan and windowbox them for SD on your digital HD channel are the kinds of choices a clueless person would make.

My HTPC front end set up
Integration for whole home ATSC, CableCARD, FM radio, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, DVD, VHS control & capture, video games, and archived & streaming media playback
Mironto's Panasonic plasma black level restoration guide
Restore the initial MLL on a 2009 Panasonic plasma
pittsoccer33 is online now  
post #1808 of 1828 Old 11-19-2014, 07:52 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Marcus Carr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Baltimore City
Posts: 8,088
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 31
Maybe they don't want to admit they weren't in HD before.

My Comcast guide shows everything on there as HD anyway, so no help there.

YOU ARE READING AVS FORUM

Marcus Carr is offline  
post #1809 of 1828 Old 11-19-2014, 09:57 AM
Senior Member
 
Gary16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 320
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Carr View Post
Maybe they don't want to admit they weren't in HD before.

My Comcast guide shows everything on there as HD anyway, so no help there.
I've mentioned before that at no time has TCM ever called themselves an HD network. The HD logo does not appear anywhere on their network. They never call themselves TCMHD. That's how it's been listed in the various guides but never by TCM directly. Just saying.
Gary16 is offline  
post #1810 of 1828 Old 11-19-2014, 11:33 AM
AVS Special Member
 
pittsoccer33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh (East Liberty)
Posts: 1,996
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Liked: 210
Was this one of you guys

From Wikipedia:
Quote:
As of mid-November 2014, it appears TCM HD is actually broadcasting at least some content in native HDTV as evidenced by full-frame 4:3, 16:9, and wider screen aspect ratio content, which was previously shrunk slightly in both horizontal and vertical size, and the obviously-now-in-HD bumper segments with Robert Osborne and Ben Mankiewicz. On Veterans Day 2014, the 1970 film Patton was subjectively much more detailed than in past TCM HD airings, as was the November 15 airing of On the Waterfront.

My HTPC front end set up
Integration for whole home ATSC, CableCARD, FM radio, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, DVD, VHS control & capture, video games, and archived & streaming media playback
Mironto's Panasonic plasma black level restoration guide
Restore the initial MLL on a 2009 Panasonic plasma
pittsoccer33 is online now  
post #1811 of 1828 Old 11-19-2014, 11:08 PM
AVS Special Member
 
bruin95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by andgarden View Post
I think there's a fair chance that Charlie Ergen, who is known--for better or worse--as one cheap SOB, said "why the hell are you asking us to pay for an 'HD' channel that in five years has never actually shown any HD?"

I'd say there was no chance of him saying it. He probably didn't even know. Besides, TCM wasn't the only channel pulled from Dish. All the Turner stations, with the exception of TNT and TBS, were pulled.
bruin95 is offline  
post #1812 of 1828 Old 11-20-2014, 11:05 AM
Member
 
aquastar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: michigan
Posts: 134
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Liked: 26
Soon to be joined by the CW from the messages I got from Dish last night. This may be bigger folks!
aquastar is offline  
post #1813 of 1828 Old 11-20-2014, 06:45 PM
AVS Special Member
 
bruin95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquastar View Post
Soon to be joined by the CW from the messages I got from Dish last night. This may be bigger folks!

I think you mean CBS.
bruin95 is offline  
post #1814 of 1828 Old 11-20-2014, 08:26 PM
Advanced Member
 
jabbathespud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: SFBA
Posts: 892
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 37
The CW & CBS are both owned by the same company.
jabbathespud is offline  
post #1815 of 1828 Old 11-21-2014, 07:33 PM
Member
 
StonesCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 176
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Back on Dish now.
StonesCat is offline  
post #1816 of 1828 Old 11-22-2014, 09:15 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Jarod M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 15
It would be nice to know beforehand what movies are going to be showing in HD. Maybe eventually on the TCM site? Presumably most, if not all of the movies already on Blu ray will be in HD. Considering how many movies are listed on Warner Archive Instant as being in HD, TCM might now show many movies that are not available on disc in high definition. I would hope any movies that are "new transfers" don't show up as down/up converts.
Jarod M is offline  
post #1817 of 1828 Old 11-22-2014, 09:32 AM
Senior Member
 
Gary16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 320
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Someone at TCM awhile back said that whenever Warner did a new transfer for the archive they had to wait a year before they could use it on TCM. Maybe that's changed.
Gary16 is offline  
post #1818 of 1828 Old 11-22-2014, 01:55 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Jarod M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post
Someone at TCM awhile back said that whenever Warner did a new transfer for the archive they had to wait a year before they could use it on TCM. Maybe that's changed.
It would be great if it was only a year that they had to wait. I've believed for a while now that TCM wasn't going HD because Warner didn't want the increased competition for Warner Archive Instant.
Jarod M is offline  
post #1819 of 1828 Old 11-22-2014, 11:39 PM
AVS Special Member
 
bruin95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarod M View Post
It would be great if it was only a year that they had to wait. I've believed for a while now that TCM wasn't going HD because Warner didn't want the increased competition for Warner Archive Instant.

I really don't think that's the case. I think it was simply a matter of Turner waiting for the ability to show a certain percentage of their content in HD, or being cheap, or both. On top of that, there is content available on Warner Instant that you'll never see on TCM.
bruin95 is offline  
post #1820 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 06:17 AM
AVS Special Member
 
pittsoccer33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh (East Liberty)
Posts: 1,996
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Liked: 210
My recording of King Kong yesterday didn't look as strikingly different from my July 2011 one. The bitrate was actually lower this time - 12.190Mbps vs 9.987Mbps. The transfer was darker overall. But detail seemed to be improved and there was no overscan border or signal noise in the top of the frame:































Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	o5.png
Views:	182
Size:	921.6 KB
ID:	380801   Click image for larger version

Name:	o4.png
Views:	177
Size:	944.1 KB
ID:	380809   Click image for larger version

Name:	n5.png
Views:	180
Size:	971.6 KB
ID:	380817   Click image for larger version

Name:	n4.png
Views:	196
Size:	958.0 KB
ID:	380825   Click image for larger version

Name:	n3.png
Views:	180
Size:	934.4 KB
ID:	380833  

Click image for larger version

Name:	o3.png
Views:	179
Size:	912.1 KB
ID:	380841   Click image for larger version

Name:	o2.png
Views:	177
Size:	947.6 KB
ID:	380849   Click image for larger version

Name:	n2.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	197.3 KB
ID:	380857   Click image for larger version

Name:	o1.jpg
Views:	175
Size:	193.8 KB
ID:	380865   Click image for larger version

Name:	n1.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	194.8 KB
ID:	380873  


My HTPC front end set up
Integration for whole home ATSC, CableCARD, FM radio, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, DVD, VHS control & capture, video games, and archived & streaming media playback
Mironto's Panasonic plasma black level restoration guide
Restore the initial MLL on a 2009 Panasonic plasma
pittsoccer33 is online now  
post #1821 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 09:53 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Jarod M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Anyone watch Citizen Kane this morning? It does not look HD to me. I've seen the Blu ray projected on a big screen, so I know what it should look like. I had time to look at a few other movies this weekend, and I haven't seen anything very impressive yet, and a few transfers that looked like they were created during the VHS days.


Quote:
Originally Posted by bruin95 View Post
I really don't think that's the case. I think it was simply a matter of Turner waiting for the ability to show a certain percentage of their content in HD, or being cheap, or both. On top of that, there is content available on Warner Instant that you'll never see on TCM.
Well, I'll mention this quote from George Feltenstein again, from Feb. 2009-"Because we've been mastering in 1080p since 2002, we have gorgeous high-definition masters on more than 250 black-and-white 4x3 movies." That was almost six years ago. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I would think that number is over one thousand by now (including color pre-1970), particularly considering what we have seen available on Warner Instant in "high definition."
Jarod M is offline  
post #1822 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 10:21 AM
Senior Member
 
Gary16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 320
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Are you sure you're watching the right feed? Or maybe your cable system is playing with bit rates with football on other channels?
Last night The Champ was crystal clear as was Broadway Melody of 1940 yesterday. Earlier in the week Pillow Talk Gypsy and especially Sweet Charity all looked razor sharp. You can see a big difference in Robert and Ben's intros and the graphics. I'm sure it will take a long time if ever for them to be airing only from HD masters.
Gary16 is offline  
post #1823 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 02:22 PM
Member
 
StonesCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 176
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Scarecrow the other night was gorgeous, and the liitle I saw of the Argento film, Cat o Nine Tails looked good as well. Its obvious they've changed things, like Gary16 said, all the bumpers and alot of the between movie stuff has been redone.
StonesCat is offline  
post #1824 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 03:26 PM
Senior Member
 
Gary16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 320
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 12
And it no longer says "letterbox" on any of the bumper cards that give the rating leading into the widescreen titles.
Gary16 is offline  
post #1825 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 04:45 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Jarod M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post
Are you sure you're watching the right feed? Or maybe your cable system is playing with bit rates with football on other channels?
Last night The Champ was crystal clear as was Broadway Melody of 1940 yesterday. Earlier in the week Pillow Talk Gypsy and especially Sweet Charity all looked razor sharp. You can see a big difference in Robert and Ben's intros and the graphics. I'm sure it will take a long time if ever for them to be airing only from HD masters.
I have Dish. I didn't see The Champ or Broadway Melody. I do have several movies from last night and today sitting on my DVR (Berkley Square, Phantom of the Rue Morgue, The Cat'o Nine Tails, The Prizefighter and the Lady, Them!, 3 Men in White, Larceny, Inc. I took a quick look at most of them and wasn't impressed. Berkley Square looked awful to the point that TCM never should have shown it, being plagued by digital noise? and a boatload of compression artifacts. I don't expect every movie to be in HD. In fact I would be happy with just one a day. But it's like looking for a needle in a haystack without a guide revealing that info beforehand. And I was really surprised that they didn't appear to be showing Citizen Kane in HD.

I did see part of Scarecrow on a 50 inch screen, and wish that I had recorded it because it did look very good-at worst very good DVD quality, and maybe even HD.
Jarod M is offline  
post #1826 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 05:35 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Jarod M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by StonesCat View Post
Scarecrow the other night was gorgeous, and the liitle I saw of the Argento film, Cat o Nine Tails looked good as well. Its obvious they've changed things, like Gary16 said, all the bumpers and alot of the between movie stuff has been redone.
Cat o Nine Tails looked ok, but DVD quality at best. I don't have the Blu ray to compare to my recording, but I would be shocked if it was HD. Plus it is not a Warner title, so I kinda doubt TCM has access to the HD version. Scarecrow, which I wrote before did look very good, is a Warner title, so there is a good chance it was HD.
Jarod M is offline  
post #1827 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 06:05 PM
Senior Member
 
Gary16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 320
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 12
I am watching on Directv. Yes Berkeley Square was not good but I wouldn't want TCM to stop showing titles that are not HD quality if that's the best they can acquire. But they have shown some stunning titles this week as I posted earlier. Perhaps since Dish just put TCM back on they are not yet running it in full HD.
In any event TCM looks great on my 10.5 foot screen when they are able to use an HD master.
Gary16 is offline  
post #1828 of 1828 Old 11-23-2014, 07:41 PM
AVS Special Member
 
bruin95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post
Are you sure you're watching the right feed? Or maybe your cable system is playing with bit rates with football on other channels?
Last night The Champ was crystal clear as was Broadway Melody of 1940 yesterday. Earlier in the week Pillow Talk Gypsy and especially Sweet Charity all looked razor sharp. You can see a big difference in Robert and Ben's intros and the graphics. I'm sure it will take a long time if ever for them to be airing only from HD masters.

+1 on The Champ. That was definitely HD.
bruin95 is offline  
Reply HDTV Programming

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off