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post #1891 of 1913 Old 04-15-2015, 06:13 AM
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Can't you zoom window boxed 16x9 content? I thought any cable source could do that. Of course, it's not HD, but it fills the screen.

But if it's just non-HD you are complaining about, then nevermind.
Yes I can zoom in the picture to fill the screen, but it just makes the quality of the video that much worse to look at. You lose detail as well as softening of the picture.
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Yeah I just got a chance to check and everything on my Joey says HD.
I guess that's one of the few benefits of my old VIP 612.
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Just caught the tail end of "Mighty Joe Young" and I don't think it was an upscale...could be one of their HDs that could be coming to BD? Hope...hope...hope!!!!!

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Considering the lack of posts lately, I guess there hasn't been much "true" HD stuff on the channel. Very frustrating that so little of what TCM HD is playing is in HD, and even more frustrating that there is no way to know in advance what is in HD. I DVR'ed the entire night of Disney stuff last night. Not one show, except for maybe the animated shorts, was in HD. And this is a new contract with Disney. So unless Disney does not have HD masters of these shows/movies (possible for some, but surely not all), I have to wonder how much effort TCM is making to acquire HD material.
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I have seen a great deal of HD material on TCM. The Disney material was mostly transferred earlier and not specifically for TCM but looked extremely good. In recent weeks some HD titles have included Close Encounters, The Harder They Fall, The Wild One, Gypsy, Auntie Mame too name a few.
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There's HD stuff on there all the time, after awhile there's no point saying "Look here, looking there." Pretty easy to see right away, especially on the widescreen era movies. Upscaled ones tend to have the not-quite-fitting the screen TCM look, while the HD ones do.
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The film noir series airing on Fridays is chock full of HD goodness. Losts of old B&W films look better than I have ever seen before- sharp and with a full, creamy tonal range.
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Considering the lack of posts lately, I guess there hasn't been much "true" HD stuff on the channel. Very frustrating that so little of what TCM HD is playing is in HD, and even more frustrating that there is no way to know in advance what is in HD. I DVR'ed the entire night of Disney stuff last night. Not one show, except for maybe the animated shorts, was in HD. And this is a new contract with Disney. So unless Disney does not have HD masters of these shows/movies (possible for some, but surely not all), I have to wonder how much effort TCM is making to acquire HD material.

Actually, there's more HD than not, these days.
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Actually, there's more HD than not, these days.
Well, 8 straight hours of no HD on Thursday night. Maybe I need to pay more attention. I'll start DVRing everything that isn't already on Blu ray and report back in one week what I find. I currently see a colorful but flat Seven Brides for Seven Brothers on the channel.
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Not all of their offerings are that great, but it's on the old silent classics where TCM's PQ really seems to shine, look at the bitrate around this scene from Buster Keaton's "The Paleface".


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Not all of their offerings are that great, but it's on the old silent classics where TCM's PQ really seems to shine, look at the bitrate around this scene from Buster Keaton's "The Paleface".
I note that your cable provider does not deliver TCM as copy-protected, thus enabling you to record/edit/play it from a TS (transcribed via firewire from a DVR recording? edited from WMC and direct WTV recording?). Very fortunate.

TWC/LA copy-protects everything, which also encrypts everything. So neither PotPlayer nor any other media player or editor (e.g. VideoReDo) program is of any value. Only true TWC-provided DVRs and WMC (with cablecard-enabled TV tuner cards) can be used to record/playback.
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I note that your cable provider does not deliver TCM as copy-protected, thus enabling you to record/edit/play it from a TS (transcribed via firewire from a DVR recording? edited from WMC and direct WTV recording?). Very fortunate.

TWC/LA copy-protects everything, which also encrypts everything. So neither PotPlayer nor any other media player or editor (e.g. VideoReDo) program is of any value. Only true TWC-provided DVRs and WMC (with cablecard-enabled TV tuner cards) can be used to record/playback.

So you're saying a Tivo (with cablecard), and Tivo Desktop software, would not work with your provider?
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A lot of the material on TCM does appear stunning compared to a few years back when it first went high definition. Recent airing of L'eclisse with detailed use of black and white shading was perfect example.

Assume it now depends upon source material. Catch this week's lineup of early technicolor for good test, especially the silent TOLL OF THE SEA and THE VIKING which were two strip.
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So you're saying a Tivo (with cablecard), and Tivo Desktop software, would not work with your provider?
I know nothing about Tivo Desktop software. I don't have any Tivo boxes, nor have I ever had any direct experience with the equipment or service.

But I do know about Windows Media Center, and Cablelabs' agreement with Microsoft that allowed copy-protected encrypted content (i.e. that requires a cablecard-enabled device for decryption) to be recorded and played by Windows Media Center as WTV files and governed by DRM protections. Presumably this is a similar agreement with cablecard-enabled Tivo that allowed for similar recording and playback of copy-protected encrypted content via Tivo boxes.

If cable-provided copy-protected content is recorded as WTV by WMC, you cannot play it with anything other than WMC. You can't read it with any other media player software (including Windows Media Player), and of course you can't read/edit it with software such as 3rd-party products such as VideoRedo, PotPlayer, VLC, etc. No software other than WMC has access to DRM/PlayReady in order to decrypt the WTV recordings which themselves are also encrypted using Windows. In fact, WTV recordings of copy-protected content cannot be played by any other Windows 7 machine, nor can it be played by any copy of Windows 7 other than the WMC on the originally installed Windows 7 on the same hardware as did the WTV recording in the first place. Make a significant change to your hardware, reinstall Win7, and you can no longer play your copy-protected WTV files.

I would find it hard to believe that the Tivo arrangement with Cablelabs is any different than MS's arrangement. I cannot imagine that copy-protected cable content accessed via cablecard-enabled Tivo hardware can be transferred to PC. Sure, copy-freely content is not a problem, just as it is not a problem with WMC. But copy-protected content... it MUST be "protected" from copying into an "open and decrypted" form so that any software can play it or edit it or copy it.

So, that's why I say that you must be receiving TCM as copy-freely from your cable provider to your Tivo box, in order for you to be able to then copy it from Tivo to PC (as a .TS file) and actually be able to play it with PotPlayer as your screenshot shows. As I stated previously, TWC/LA delivers every cable channel (including TCM) as copy-protected. So I cannot record/play it with other software than WMC using my cablecard-enabled Ceton TV tuner card.

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So, that's why I say that you must be receiving TCM as copy-freely from your cable provider to your Tivo box, in order for you to be able to then copy it from Tivo to PC (as a .TS file) and actually be able to play it with PotPlayer as your screenshot shows. As I stated previously, TWC/LA delivers every cable channel (including TCM) as copy-protected. So I cannot record/play it with other software than WMC using my cablecard-enabled Ceton TV tuner card.

I did not post any screenshots, that was Solfan. I sub to Directv, but I have a friend with cable and a Tivo. He uses the Tivo Desktop software to transfer the recordings to his PC. Windows Media Player can play the .TiVo files directly. He can also edit those files with Video Redo, and convert them to any format. He's never had any problems with copy protection, so I guess COX does not copy protect on those channels he records.
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There was another pretty good solution discussed on here some time ago.

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Tivo is cablelabs approved, so it certainly works on any cable system.

Their pc software won't work on copy once recordings, same as WMC. If it isn't the machine that recorded it then it can't read/play it.
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I DVR'ed the last several days of TCM movies, except for the ones that are on Blu ray. Here is how the batch from last weekend fared-
The Scarlet Coat (C) Soft picture with some debris.
The Devil's Disciple (C) Reasonable sharp, but with lots of debris and background instability.
Miss Firecracker (C+)The 80s haze(filtering?) makes this one hard to judge, but would think it could look better.
Rosalie (C-) Dull, wobbling, and debris.
Cleopatra Jones (B-) Debris. A very good looking laserdisc image.
Cleopatra Jones and the Casino Gold (B-) Maybe a bit better than the first Cleopatra Jones.
A Family Affair (C-) Soft and lots of debris.
Strike Up the Band (C+) Not bad for its age. Debris.
Duck Soup (C-) Wobbly and generally unstable.
The Thanhouser Shorts (D) Very rough, and maybe at the wrong speed. But rarities, so you take what you can get.
The Romance of Rosy Ridge (C+) Ok with some debris.
If Winter Comes (C+) A little soft.
The Doctor and the Girl (B-) Solid detail but needed cleanup.
Holiday Affair (C+) A little flat.
That Forsyte Woman (C) Flat with faded color.
Two Tickets to Broadway (B-) Better color.
Little Miss Marker (C+) Overall instability.
Now and Forever (C-) Soft without very good contrast.
Bright Eyes (D+) Grainy and unstable. The kind of stuff that is hard to compress, and it showed.
Curly Top (D+) Another one from a lower quality source without restoration.
Poor Little Rich Girl (D+) These Shirley Temple movies need some help.
Journey for Margaret (C+) Could use better contrast.
Father's Son (C) It's a bad sign when the Warner emblem is shaky. Got better, but...
The Toll of the Sea (D+) Definitely didn't look like this came from a high definition source.
The Viking (C-) Hard to judge. Not overly grainy but VERY soft.

The letter grades go like this-
A=High Definition
B=Good quality DVD
C=Lower quality DVD, but still very watchable
D=Significant problems.

I was happy to see that the overall picture quality did seem better than I remember, but it has room to improve when more high def sources are used. I skipped the movies that are on Blu ray, as I buy or rent those when I want to see them.
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Just caught the tail end of "Mighty Joe Young" and I don't think it was an upscale...could be one of their HDs that could be coming to BD? Hope...hope...hope!!!!!
Thanks, MJY is on again tomorrow [Tuesday the 13th] at 4:15pm, I'll check it out!
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Just caught the tail end of "Mighty Joe Young" and I don't think it was an upscale...could be one of their HDs that could be coming to BD? Hope...hope...hope!!!!!

Blu-Ray coming October 6th.
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TCM salutes John Wayne, Vivien Leigh, Ann-Margret
By Hal Boedeker, Orlando Sentinel's 'TV Guy' Blog - Aug. 1, 2015

With the arrival of August, we get TCM's wonderful Summer Under the Stars festival.

Each day, the channel will play 24 hours of movies featuring one performer.

TCM draws attention the legends and the character actors who enriched the movie industry. The festival starts with the enchanting Gene Tierney, whose work deserves greater attention, and ends with Shelley Winters, a two-time Oscar winner for supporting actress.

Here's the lineup and some movies to keep in mind:

Adolphe Menjou, Monday: "A Star Is Born" (1937 version) at 6 p.m., "Stage Door" at 11:15 p.m.

Teresa Wright, Tuesday: "The Best Years of Our Lives" at 5 p.m., "The Little Foxes" at 8 p.m., "Shadow of a Doubt" at 10:15 p.m.

Fred Astaire, Wednesday: The movies he made with Ginger Rogers from 6 a.m. to 10:15 p.m. (Movie heaven.) Plus, "The Bang Wagon" at midnight.

Michael Caine, Thursday: "Hannah and Her Sisters" at 8 p.m., "The Ipcress File" at 10 p.m.

Katharine Hepburn, Friday: "Bringing Up Baby" at 11:30 a.m., "Alice Adams" at 8 p.m., "The Lion in Winter" at 10 p.m.

Raymond Massey, Aug. 8: "East of Eden" at 8 p.m., "Abe Lincoln in Illinois" at 10:15 p.m.

Robert Walker, Aug. 9: "The Clock" at 6:15 p.m., "Strangers on a Train" at 8 p.m.

Joan Crawford, Aug. 10: "The Women" at 3:30 p.m., "Possessed" at 8 p.m., "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?" at 1:45 a.m.

Rex Ingram, Aug. 11: "The Green Pastures" at 8 p.m., "Cabin in the Sky" at 10 p.m.

Robert Mitchum, Aug. 12: "The Sundowners" at 9:15 a.m., "The Lusty Men" at 2:45 p.m., "Home From the Hill" at 8 p.m.

Ann-Margret, Aug. 13: "Viva Las Vegas" at 8:30 a.m., "Bye Bye Birdie" at 8 p.m., "Tommy" at midnight, "Carnal Knowledge" at 2 a.m.

Groucho Marx, Aug. 14: "Monkey Business" at 8 p.m., "Horse Feathers" at 9:30 p.m., "Duck Soup" at 10:45 p.m., "A Night at the Opera" at midnight, "A Day at the Races" at 2 a.m.

Douglas Fairbanks Jr., Aug. 15: "The Prisoner of Zenda" (1937 version -- he's terrific) at 8 p.m., "The Corsican Brothers" at 10 p.m.

Patricia Neal, Aug. 16: "The Day the Earth Stood Still" at 8 p.m., "Hud" at 10 p.m., "A Face in the Crowd" at midnight.

Lee J. Cobb, Aug. 17: "12 Angry Men" at 9:45 p.m., "On the Waterfront" at 11:30 p.m.

Vivien Leigh, Aug. 18: "Waterloo Bridge" at 10 a.m., "Gone With the Wind" at 10:15 p.m., "A Streetcar Named Desire" at 3:45 a.m.

John Wayne, Aug. 19: "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" at 6 a.m., "The Quiet Man" at 8 p.m., "The Searchers" at 10:15 p.m., "Rio Bravo" at 12:30 a.m.

Mae Clarke, Aug. 20: "Frankenstein" at 9:30 p.m., "The Public Enemy" at 3 a.m.

Alan Arkin, Aug. 21: "Wait Until Dark" at 1 p.m., "The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter" at 8 p.m., "The In-Laws" at 12:15 a.m.

Marlene Dietrich, Aug. 22: "The Blue Angel" at 9:15 a.m., "Witness for the Prosecution" at 8 p.m., "Shanghai Express" at 10:15 p.m.

Debbie Reynolds, Aug. 23: "Singin' in the Rain" at 8 p.m., "Divorce American Style" at 10 p.m., "The Catered Affair" at midnight, "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" at 2 a.m.

Warren Oates, Aug. 24: "Badlands" at 8 p.m., "The Wild Bunch" at 2 a.m.

Virginia Bruce, Aug. 25: "Downstairs" at 8 p.m., "The Invisible Woman" at 9:30 p.m.

Greta Garbo, Aug. 26: "Ninotchka" at 6 p.m., "Grand Hotel" at 11:45 p.m., "Camille" at 1:45 a.m.

Monty Woolley, Aug. 27: "Holy Matrimony" at 8 p.m., "The Man Who Came to Dinner" at 11:45 p.m.

Ingrid Bergman, Aug. 28: "Autumn Sonata" at 6:15 p.m., "Casablanca" at 8 p.m., "Gaslight" at 10 p.m.

George C. Scott, Aug. 29: "Anatomy of a Murder" at noon, "Patton" at 5 p.m., "The Hustler" at 8 p.m., "Petulia" at 12:15 a.m.

Gary Cooper, Aug. 30: "Friendly Persuasion" at 9:30 a.m., "Meet John Doe" at 1:30 p.m., "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" at 8 p.m., "Sergeant York" at 10:15 p.m.

Shelley Winters, Aug. 31: "A Patch of Blue" at 8 p.m.,"Lolita" at 10 p.m., "The Poseidon Adventure" at 12: 45 a.m. Always remember, there's got to be a morning after.

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ANN-MARGRET FILM SALUTE
TCM, 6:00 a.m. ET

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And tomorrow (Friday, August 14, 2015) it will be Groucho Marx and The Marx Brothers. One of the two tuners of my DVR is already committed to recording TCM from 3am PDT Friday through 1AM PDT Saturday.

My very humble setup:
Man Cave:Vizio E500i-A1 "Smart TV" (50-in 1080p 120Hz LED/LCD, has Netflix app.), Sony BDP-S3100 Blu-ray player, Roku N1000 (original model), PC (Windows 7), Comcast Internet (120Mbps/12Mbps).
Bedroom:LG 32LV3400-UA TV (32-in 768p 60Hz LED/LCD), HD DVR (Motorola RNG200N), Xfinity Comcast cable (Digital Preferred Plus), DVD/VHS player.
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