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post #721 of 830 Old 04-13-2012, 07:40 AM
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Well the time off didn't make the show any more watchable. Reboot it or scrap it, the show as it sits now is a hollow shell of its former self.
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I insist that this show needs more Creed...

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They need to get rid of Andy and put Creed in charge as office manager!
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That was by far the worst episode of the entire series that aired tonight. Not one single thing was good about it at all. I know I have defended this season because I have always found some good stuff within each episode that made it worth still watching - and to be honest for a good part of the season I was legitimately enjoying the progression of the show.

But tonight's episode.... it really ticked me off. An entire segment with them going off on about something men use Viagra for.... really? Are the writers that lazy that they can't come up with good storylines that help develop the characters we know and love further.... or at least come up with anything better then what we got tonight?

Oh and I seriously am tired of this Ryan and Kelly crap. It was hardly worth crap when they started it way back during season 2 and now its just... ugh... yeah.... "not this crap again" was my first thought.

Finally really recycling an legitimately funny moment from season 3...



... yeah this time around it was like "eh we're are running out of ideas so we'll just take something people might not remember from way back earlier in the series and redo it again this time it won't be nearly as funny but hey most people probably won't remember the first time we did it so yeah it'll work."

In other words yeah... I think its time for the series to be wrapped up. Give us loyal fans some final great moments including the one most of us want to see - Michael and Holly getting married. At least end the series with dignity. That is all.

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Finally really recycling an legitimately funny moment from season 3...



... yeah this time around it was like "eh we're are running out of ideas so we'll just take something people might not remember from way back earlier in the series and redo it again this time it won't be nearly as funny but hey most people probably won't remember the first time we did it so yeah it'll work."

I agree with you that the episode was bad, but I thought 2 parts were funny.

1. Andy punching the wall and Daryl's reaction. "Man he really hates that wall."
2. The Phyllis rain cliche challenge. I thought that was creative.

I disagree with you on the wall, because it wasnt a recycled joke that they hoped people wouldn't remember. They actually showed the incident in the mini montage when Andy was talking about his anger issues.
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I actually liked this one. I still don't get Nellie showing up and taking over Andy's job and the impotence subplot was pure filler, but her power duel with Andy was pretty funny and the latest round of Ryan and Kelly was great.

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So Andy is gone? or will he get back to fighting for his job..

IDK but Robert did sucumb to the woman thing, he could just fire her and be done with it..

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This episode continued the Office's alarming decline.

Last weeks pathetic attempt to make Nellie sympathetic was one of the most awkward episodes of comedy I can recall. Apparently only the people behind the Office think this character or actress is the slightest bit funny.
This episode was at least as bad as the last three, and maybe worse. My family has all bailed from the Office, I think I might join them, and saying that shocks me.

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So Andy is gone? or will he get back to fighting for his job..

IDK but Robert did sucumb to the woman thing, he could just fire her and be done with it..

No mention of it in this episode, but she's good friends with Jo.
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Thought the latest episode was the strongest in a while.
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Hostile takeover incoming?

Nice move Andy...

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Thought the latest episode was the strongest in a while.

Agreed. Good stuff with Robert, Dwight & Jim..even Nellie.

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I admit that I was watching it in the "background" while I was on the forums.

Was funny, but I haven't been following this season.
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Honestly the season ender was very good. The last few weeks prior was decent as well but man I really enjoyed the ending. I hope this momentum continues into next season.

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Critic's Notes
Was Season 8 of The Office a Total Disaster?
By Matt Zoller Seitz, New York Magazine's 'Vulture' Blog - May 10, 2012

Will the eighth season of The Office be considered a lost season or just a transitional one? It depends on what the sitcom does next year and the year after, and in any event, this might be a distinction without a difference. Fact is, the show's first post-Steve Carrell year has been a mess, at times bordering on a disaster.

And, yet, I've continued to watch it every week. Why? Familiarity is surely a factor. I like the show, and I love these characters, and the quality of the acting is so consistently high (even when the character beats and dialogue aren't up to snuff) that I can't bring myself to just bail. But there's another aspect at play here: It has to do with the nature of TV itself, and I think it may be the real reason why I've continued to watch The Office.

On any long-running popular series, there are always two dramas happening simultaneously. One occurs onscreen: The characters go here, do this, feel that, and we debate whether what happens is funny, smart, consistent with past plotlines, and so forth. The other drama is happening behind, or beneath, the scenes; it's extra-dramatic, a struggle between the show and the medium it's a part of. Simply put, when you watch The Office, or any series, you're watching a show's writers, directors, actors, and crew fight to maintain a certain level of quality despite a relentless pace and the network's expectation that the series hit certain ratings goals or be canceled. When a show hits a natural stopping point as The Office did last spring when its comedic anchor Michael Scott (Steve Carell) quit Dunder-Mifflin and then keeps going anyway, out of pride or a desire for more profits, the enterprise takes on a heroic (or maybe foolhardy) dimension.

Can a TV show that loses its center continue on without seeming rudderless and a tad pathetic? I can't think of too many examples: NYPD Blue and Cheers, maybe, but in those cases, the shows lost co-leads (David Caruso and Shelly Long, respectively) while maintaining a central protagonist (Dennis Franz, Ted Danson) all through their runs. Law & Order and ER were more ensemble- or concept-driven, but they still lost momentum and quality when their central characters were written out or downgraded to supporting status. Spin City? A Different World? Mission: Impossible? The list of successful reinventions isn't long, that's for sure. And The Office had set itself up for disaster by making Michael Scott/Steve Carell the heart of the series and then deciding to continue after his departure. What happened on the American Office is akin to All in the Family losing Archie Bunker, Maude losing Maude, or The Mary Tyler Moore Show losing Mary. If the series had been called Michael Scott, we wouldn't be discussing any of this. On paper, Carell's exit looked to be an insurmountable blow thus my piece arguing that The Office should have called it quits after that, even though the network's bottom line required it to keep going.

In retrospect, the only thing saving the show from utter chaos and mediocrity was the clever way that it addressed its own unmoored quality within the scripts themselves. Thanks to its faux-documentary format, the series has always been rather self-aware (and, occasionally, self-regarding). But at some point probably season seven, a.k.a. Michael Scott's Very Long Goodbye The Office amped up its auto-critical sensibility, to the point where it seemed nearly as much a meta-comedy as its Thursday night schedule-mates 30 Rock, Parks and Recreation, and Community. As on season three of Justified, another show about bruised survivors jockeying for supremacy in a power vacuum, season eight of The Office has turned the absence of leadership into its main subject. In season eight it wasn't just a sitcom that lacked a sense of direction; it was a sitcom about being directionless, about deciding to soldier on after a catastrophic loss and not having the slightest clue how to do it.

The search for a new office manager at the end of season seven doubled as an on-air audition for a new Office star, with the audience serving as a focus group; early scuttlebutt said Catherine Tate's Nellie Bertram would take Michael Scott's chair, but James Spader made such a huge impression by playing his pervert-shaman aura for laughs that the show ended up making his character Robert California the CEO. "There is a person in charge of every office in America," California told Andy, who was furious that Nellie had simply behaved as if she, and not Andy, were running the office now and had somehow claimed the title of leader. "And that person is Charles Darwin." Characters asked the question that we at home were wondering: "Why is she here?" "What is going on?" Jim asked the unseen interviewer. "That does seem to be the question, doesn't it?" Toby, the closest thing to referee in the show's pit of toothless snakes, confessed, "Human resources is a joke. I can't do anything about anything."

It got to the point where I scarcely felt I could criticize The Office without the show criticizing itself first, either directly or obliquely. Thanks to the show's Marco Polo/"Fish out of water!" approach to comedy this year, lines that might have been no more than character touches sounded like coded self-analysis, caveats, or sheepish self-justifications. Dwight's comic book character, Captain Mutato, a shape-shifter "who can fight crime like a man but make love like a mermaid," is as adaptable as the series doubtless wishes it were. The subplot about the super-narcissist Ryan trying to win back his ex-girlfriend Kelly felt like an analogy for the show trying to win back fans who abandoned it after last year (ratings are down compared to 2010-11). When the love poem that we assumed Ryan never actually wrote and was probably incapable of writing turned out to be real and moving, it felt as if The Office was saying, "Don't write us off quite yet. What we're doing right now may seem desperate and calculating, and maybe it is, but our sincerity and artistry could still surprise you."

I hope so. As season eight peters out, it's hard not to fixate on what didn't work: almost everything. Robert California and Nellie Bertram often felt more like notions for characters than actual characters, and there were times when the actors seemed flummoxed while playing them. (I did laugh, though, when California roared at Andy, "You don't even know my real name! I am the f-----g Lizard King!!" Spader is brilliant even when the material isn't.) Andy's tenure as office manager, during which he was pretty much whatever the writers needed him to be during an episode, was a sporadically enjoyable botch, and not just because the character isn't a boss-type. The "off-campus" episodes reminded me of how much better the show used to be at doing that kind of thing. ("Fundraiser," you're no "Dinner Party.") Nevertheless, I still adore these characters, even when the writing doesn't do them justice. The optimist in me relishes the idea of The Office rallying, becoming different from but equal to its earlier incarnation, and running another few years, if only for the thrill of seeing talented people beat very long odds.

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The Zoller piece seems to over-think it. Steve Carrell's Michael was a double-edged sword: brilliant, but designed to make you cringe, and when he left it was sort of a relief.

The rest of the ensemble is still funny. More so, actually. Tate is capable of making us cringe, and so is/was Spader. I still like the show, though it may have worn out its initial audience. The finale sets up all sorts of situations to pursue next season, however. They keep 30 Rock around when the honorable thing to do would have been to let it die several seasons back, as their characters just keep doing their same old schtick.

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I thought this episode was not only clever and funny (with even Erin questioning Andy's sanity) but it was a great way to potentially get the series back on track if it comes back for another season.

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Yes The Office is coming back for another season.

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NBC Will Air Full Season of The Office
By Joe Adalian, New York Magazine's 'Vulture' Blog - May 13, 2012

It's official: The Office will be back for a full season of 22 episodes next season. There had been speculation that NBC might attempt a shortened season of the series, but NBC chief Bob Greenblatt tells Vulture the show is not being put out to pasture just yet. "We haven't determined" whether this will be the last round for the show, he said.

What's more, Greenblatt said he's not ready to say it's over for 30 Rock just yet, either. "I now that's the speculation that's been out there, but it is not yet official," he said.

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It is always nice to see David Wallace, even if he's been reduced to being gullible.

Robert giving Andy the "kiss of death" was a worthy sendoff for the character.
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It is always nice to see David Wallace, even if he's been reduced to being gullible.

I always liked David Wallace. He seemed less of a written comedy character and more a real person. He should be a great straight man to over-the-top characters like Dwight, especially if Toby isn't coming back.

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The Zoller piece seems to over-think it. Steve Carrell's Michael was a double-edged sword: brilliant, but designed to make you cringe, and when he left it was sort of a relief.

The rest of the ensemble is still funny. More so, actually. Tate is capable of making us cringe, and so is/was Spader. I still like the show, though it may have worn out its initial audience. The finale sets up all sorts of situations to pursue next season, however. They keep 30 Rock around when the honorable thing to do would have been to let it die several seasons back, as their characters just keep doing their same old schtick.

30 rock was infinitely more funny than the office this season
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30 rock was infinitely more funny than the office this season

and parks and rec was funnier than both of them

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and parks and rec was funnier than both of them

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I always liked David Wallace. He seemed less of a written comedy character and more a real person. He should be a great straight man to over-the-top characters like Dwight, especially if Toby isn't coming back.

Definitely. It was his "play it straight" demeanor that made for some of the best Michael Scott moments. His dealing with Michael's eccentricities and annoyances was a great clash of two diametrically opposed personalities, and his support for Michael through all of it was heartfelt.
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Let him grow a little scruff and the guy playing David Wallace would make a good Steve Jobs
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Definitely. It was his "play it straight" demeanor that made for some of the best Michael Scott moments.

One of my favorite unfunny moments was when they were reading back Wallace's testimony during Jan's lawsuit where he admitted that Michael had no real chance of getting Jan's job. The pained look on Wallace's face as he looked at Michael was so sincere and believable that I wondered if this guy had been told the show was a comedy.

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The Office Exclusive: Greek's Clark Duke In Talks to Join Season 9 Cast Amid Mini-Reboot
By Michael Ausiello, TVLine.com - Jul. 3, 2012

Former Greek pledge Clark Duke soon will be one of primetime’s upperclassmen.

The Kick-Ass actor is in talks to join The Office‘s upcoming ninth season as a series regular, TVLine has learned exclusively.

Details on his character are few and far between, but this much is known: he would be working at (duh) Dunder Mifflin. (If his alter ego is half as entertaining as the sexually inappropriate assistant he played on New Girl last season we’re all in).

As previously reported, The Office is set to undergo a mini-reboot this fall amid changes in front of and behind the scenes — including the departures of Fox-bound Mindy Kaling and showrunner Paul Lieberstein, as well as the possible exit of a soon-to-be spun off Rainn Wilson. Additionally, it was recently announced that B.J. Novak (Ryan) will not be returning as a regular.

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