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post #841 of 859 Old 05-09-2016, 01:20 PM
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I don't watch this show, never cared to, but my parents are big fans and thought the supposed (they sent me a link to some gawker/whatever type site) of 'recreating' the opening blah blah was so inventive (it's not).

Anyways, the one comment I had was -- never watching this show-- did she lose all that weight gradually or suddenly? She must be down 25-30 pounds since the show started.

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Life goes on. I enjoyed the finale - it wasn't the best thing ever (or even the best episode of Good Wife ever), but it was a nice way to see the series out.

Let's see if the King's new show ("Brain Dead") is any good, eh?
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I'm still not completely sure why Diane slapped Alecia. It was Lucca, not Alecia, who grilled her husband during the cross.
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Seems to myself Alicia put up with too much; would've been nice to have a tension-relieving cat fight after that slap...
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I'm still not completely sure why Diane slapped Alecia. It was Lucca, not Alecia, who grilled her husband during the cross.
They (Alicia and Dianne) had argued over it earlier and Alicia wanted Dianne off the case to allow that cross... so it was clear to Dianne that Lucca didn't "go rogue" on her own there. I think Dianne was responding to who she knew made the call.

I'm fine with the generally nebulous ending... that's kind of how this show has been. BUT... I would like to have really know better IF Peter was really guilty or not. They left it open that maybe he was innocent but settled because he thought he'd lose. I feel like I wanted to know whether he was taking a bullet to save his skin because he knew he was guilty OR if he truly felt he had no choice, even though innocent, but to take the gut punch of again being convicted for something he didn't do.

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BUT... I would like to have really know better IF Peter was really guilty or not.
Didn't he tell Alicia for the record "I am innocent" after she stated she didn't care. Like the alleged affair which came out during the trial you can take his denial however you want...

Bottom line I guess is however you look at/judge Peter is whether he is guilty or not. My understanding of the character is he wouldn't have been dumb enough to risk that much. From a pure risk reward basis it wouldn't be worth it. He could replace the money but not his career... or even want to exposure himself to additional jail time... which he declared as "killer" Now I will admit there isn't a lot of information to analyze his ethics (most of the time they keep it gray or I was too confused to know who to actually blame ) and there was far too much smoke to probably not have a few fires.

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Alicia looked inside herself and realized she really didn't care whether Peter was guilty or not. And she was willing to use her inside knowledge of the relationship among Diane, her husband, and his protege to cast doubt on her testimony and get rid of the damning ballistics evidence, even though she didn't care about Peter, because... lawyer.

That's the important take-away, IMO.

Alicia has been ground down by the last few years, and is not the better for it. If the series had gone on, it would have had to choose between following her further into the pit, or making up some kind of redemption story, which would have been nauseating.

Maybe in a year or two we'll see a TV movie where Alicia finally had her mental breakdown, underwent therapy to get her hallucinations under control, and after going through rehab to kick her wine addiction, decided to go work small-town public defender or something. On Lifetime.

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Alicia looked inside herself and realized she really didn't care whether Peter was guilty or not. And she was willing to use her inside knowledge of the relationship among Diane, her husband, and his protege to cast doubt on her testimony and get rid of the damning ballistics evidence, even though she didn't care about Peter, because... lawyer.
On a selfish level she wanted him out of jail too... for the kids' sake and her own... she was ready to move on and him in jail would muddy the waters.

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Alicia has been ground down by the last few years, and is not the better for it.
I'm not sure I agree. As the Kings' stated she is becoming more Peter like to the point Eli wants to replace Peter with Alicia. I took the scene (pulling herself together) after the slap as Alicia moving on. Now you can say that's not for the better and is certainly open to debate however I think it's growth and growth she is comfortable with... even if we aren't.
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As a watcher of the GW since the beginning what this series finale reminded me of was what a long arch this series spanned. I mean it seems like forever since Will was part of the show and he was around for many seasons, so many things transpired over the years, it really spanned the years. All in all I think this was one of the better series of recent years, job well done!
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I have mixed feelings about the ending but it did kind of circle back to the very first episode. Alicia standing with Peter again but this time she bails on him. Alicia slapped Peter and got slapped by Diane in what looked like the same corridor. She faced an uncertain future in episode 1 and appeared to face that uncertainty in episode last. There were so many things left open. Was Lockhart and Florrick now kaput? Sure seemed that way. Would Jason wait for Alicia? Didn't look like it. Were Diane and Kurt done? Hard to say since when he had his affair with Molly (the delicious Megan Hilty) wasn't specified so we didn't know whether was while he was married to Diane. We'll never know.
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I have no doubt that Lockhart Florrick will survive, Dianne is much too logical and business oriented to cut and run. I see it as a tense time initially and back to business as usual in short order. That is my take. Down the road I would not rule out Alicia as Governor either. Jason will be just one of a number of distractions in Alicia's life. I do not see her settling for anyone - but herself.

I appreciate how the Kings left so much open that the viewer can write their own ending.
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There is a lot left unanswered . I wonder if they would do a tv movie or special next year or so. Maybe solve some of the questions ,or what happened to everyones lives.
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Down the road I would not rule out Alicia as Governor either. Jason will be just one of a number of distractions in Alicia's life. I do not see her settling for anyone - but herself
Hmm.. maybe but instead of Eli, Alicia should get Marissa to run her campaign. She was the smartest person on the show. I really hope that Sarah Steele gets her own show at some point. The girl is a terrific actress.
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DEADLINE: The series followed the characters over a seven-year period. Where will they be in another 7 years? Will Alicia’s turn to the dark side continue?

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I found the final episode incomprehensible, without the on-line explanation (that someone else linked to here).

After looking at that explanation, one sees that the show producers think that all lawyers, at least defense attorneys, inevitably become evil. Including Diane and Alicia. There have always been obvious parallels meant to be drawn between Alicia and her husband, and the Clintons. I think the lack of truthfulness of Alicia and hubby are meant to convey the show producers' political message, that you shouldn't support Hilary Clinton - don't forget that it was implied in other episodes that the Democratic party won elections through ballot manipulation, with and without electronic ballot machines. (Incidentally, Electronic voting machines were created by a company run by a Republican political operator - see http://commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm - who contributed a lot of time and money to the Republican cause, one of the main reasons the Democratic party fought them. Though yes, like any Windows machines, presumably all political actors, including Democrats, can manipulate them, and The Last Hack Wins. There probably hasn't been an honest election since the advent of electronic voting machines, if there ever was. Hanging chads were better than easily hacked Windows boxes.)

Diane was already quite evil - using unethical strategies to get rid of her male partners, and plenty of unethical legal strategies. But she was completely justified in slapping Alicia, who impugned Diane's husband, one of the few relatively honest people on the show, in open court, unfairly.

I've enjoyed the show a lot. But I think a show should stand on its own merits, and the final episode should not require separate on-line explanations. That was made worse because the link to that explanation at cbs.com was initially hard to view - I couldn't make it display under Firefox (finally used Chrome), or on a Google TV mobile device.

I didn't like the ending episode. It feels like they want us to hate all the main characters, not a good thing for any show. It also felt like it needs sequels to complete the story.

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Looks like we may get a Diane- and Lucca-centric spin-off.

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I had no idea that Cush Jumbo was yet another Brit playing American on US TV. Then saw her the other night on Seth Meyers.

Cush Jumbo. What a name.

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I had no idea that Cush Jumbo was yet another Brit playing American on US TV. Then saw her the other night on Seth Meyers.

Cush Jumbo. What a name.
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