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My only issue is still how much friggin' blabbing they did during the opening ceremony again. Seriously, people, shut up for a few seconds and let the show speak for itself. If we can't watch it and understand what's going on, then that's on the people who created it, not for NBC to translate. If the viewers would be lost without the commentary, then what happens to the people that are actually there and can't here it?

Actually the blabbing for the Vancouver opening is less than that in Beijing's. They didn't have a third person in booth as "analyst" this time. Going "live" also meant there are no retakes for commentary mistakes. So silence is actually preferred (not just for the audience but for editorial reasons) I noticed that the flying performance sync'd to Joni Mitchell's "Both Sides Now" was devoid of commentary untill the last 15 seconds -- I really enjoyed that segment. Obviously I'm not suggesting that NBC had been so gracious during the rest of the ceremony.

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For what it's worth, though, I think these opening ceremonies are growing waaaaaay too long and drawn out. I think the only thing that gave me the stamina to get through it was my growing anger over the constant butting in of the announcers.

This one is actually quite compact when compared to Beijing's. Of course, there are 80 countries this time not 200 -- so the Parade of Nations flew by really quickly.
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Try CNBC now, it has Women Hockey, Russia vs. Finland.

Negative. Some crap show about women in business. Guide says Olympic coverage. I don't get any of these channels in HD, should that matter?
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Negative. Some crap show about women in business. Guide says Olympic coverage. I don't get any of these channels in HD, should that matter?

No, the SD version has the same as the HD version on Comcast Detroit.

I would call Charter.

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No, the SD version has the same as the HD version on Comcast Detroit.

I would call Charter.

Like I said above, Charter has the correct programming, it's the little IPTV provider, Ace Comm. that has it hosed. Hopefully, they can correct this before the games are over.
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Like I said above, Charter has the correct programming, it's the little IPTV provider, Ace Comm. that has it hosed. Hopefully, they can correct this before the games are over.

It is your provider, NBC Universal allows providers to get their content with or without Olympic content. Most providers pay the extra surcharge to provide the Olympics. Some smaller providers have been known to agree to contracts that do not include the Olympics from the NBC Universal channels. You are seeing alternate feeds of CNBC, MSNBC, and USA that does not include Olympic programming.

Simply this is a contract issue between your provider and NBC U.
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It is your provider, NBC Universal allows providers to get their content with or without Olympic content. Most providers pay the extra surcharge to provide the Olympics. Some smaller providers have been known to agree to contracts that do not include the Olympics from the NBC Universal channels. You are seeing alternate feeds of CNBC, MSNBC, and USA that does not include Olympic programming.

Simply this is a contract issue between your provider and NBC U.

Thanks for the explanation. Not what I wanted to hear, but now I understand it.
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On another matter, I submit my nominee for the absolute best video highlight so far.

And that is the several super-super-super-slomo closeups they've had from short-track, both men's and women's, as the skaters come around a turn.

Really gave a clear vision of how exactly an ice skate cuts into the surface.
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Too bad NBC decided to jump back and forth between pairs skating and mens's moguls. I would have preferred they had each in complete segments even if it meant some portions (or even all ) being taped.

At least they condensed the luge and speed skating sessions and got them out of the way first.

Again PQ and AQ tonight are outstanding here in SW Ohio on NBC.

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It is your provider, NBC Universal allows providers to get their content with or without Olympic content. Most providers pay the extra surcharge to provide the Olympics. Some smaller providers have been known to agree to contracts that do not include the Olympics from the NBC Universal channels. You are seeing alternate feeds of CNBC, MSNBC, and USA that does not include Olympic programming.

Simply this is a contract issue between your provider and NBC U.

In Canada, our cable and satellite feeds of CNBC and MSNBC do not include Olympic programming. This is not because our providers are cheap. Rather it is because our national Olympic carriers (the CTV/Rogers consortium) enforce their exclusivity. But cable/satellite feeds of NBC's Olympic coverage are not disallowed in Canada -- because NBC affiliates' signals can be picked up OTA in many Canadian cities. Edit: in fact, Canadians generally prefer to watch domestic coverage versus US coverage -- for obvious reasons.
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Like I said above, Charter has the correct programming, it's the little IPTV provider, Ace Comm. that has it hosed. Hopefully, they can correct this before the games are over.

Sorry, misread your post.

Yes, some smaller providers opt out of Olympic coverage. I'd vent to them.

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Too bad NBC decided to jump back and forth between pairs skating and mens's moguls. I would have preferred they had each in complete segments even if it meant some portions (or even all ) being taped.

The Men's moguls was the big story in all of Canada tonight. NBC could've picked it up live. It was delayed by some 20 minutes. To put it on after pairs skating would have delayed it even more. NBC could've done it that way but they didn't. The host country winning it's first home gold is a big story of these Olympics.
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Was there an audio drop on NBC during the Ukraine pairs skating? I wasn't really paying attention to the audio at the time. Video was superb!
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Was there an audio drop on NBC during the Ukraine pairs skating?

Yes there was.
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Zelkovich: Olympic ratings through the roof

February 13, 2010 Chris Zelkovich

When the CTV-Rogers consortium won the rights to the Vancouver Olympics, the general consensus was that it had won the right to lose a ton of money.

Having overpaid by all reckoning, the consortium was looking at huge losses - even before the economy hit the skids and advertisers stopped advertising.

Its only hope, many felt, was a landslide of Canadian medals that would produce huge ratings and in turn send ad rates for unsold spots skyrocketing.

But even before the first medals were handed out, there was some promising news for the broadcasters.

Friday's opening ceremony, despite a ragged start and a confusing finish, shattered all Canadian television ratings records.

According to BBM Canada overnight ratings, an average of 13.3 million people watched the 3.5-hour extravaganza on the consortium's 11 channels. In all, more than 26 million tuned in at some point.

A stunning 84 per cent of all Canadians watching TV chose the opening ceremony, which makes one wonder what the other 16 per cent were looking at. Surviving Survivor?

Though ratings records have to be taken with a bucket of salt since a new measuring system was launched last summer, these are stunning numbers. And they certainly bode well for the CTV consortium.

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Winter Olympics strike ratings gold for NBC

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February 14, 2010 4:10 PM

The first two nights of the Winter Olympics have been cause for much celebration at NBC, as they've scored ratings well above the 2006 winter games.

Prime-time coverage Friday and Saturday (Feb. 12-13) averaged 30 million viewers, a third better than the first two nights from Turin, Italy, in 2006 (22.6 million). The opening ceremony on Friday drew 32.6 million viewers, the highest for any Winter Olympics outside the United States since 1994, when the Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan saga fueled interest in the games and drew 33.8 million people to the opening ceremony. (The last U.S.-base games, in 2002 in Salt Lake City, scored better than 45 million viewers for the opening ceremony.)

NBC also notes that 97 million people have caught at least a few minutes of its coverage on the network or one of its cable partners, a 13-percent bump over 2006 (88 million) and just behind the 1994 games in Lillehammer, Norway (100 million).

The ratings surge over 2006 has occurred even without the presence of two of the Winter Olympics' marquee events, downhill skiing and figure skating. The alpine skiing schedule has been pushed back because of bad weather, and the figure skating competition gets going Sunday with the pairs short program.

Having the Olympics in nearby Vancouver, Canada, has allowed NBC to show some events live in primetime to the eastern half of the country, which has probably helped juice the ratings some. Even on tape delay, though, the games are performing well out West; markets like Seattle and Denver have posted some of the best metered-market ratings so far.

Saturday's prime-time coverage averaged 26.2 million viewers, better than any night of the 2006 games.
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Anyone catch the 'huge' gaffe NBC made at the end of the Pairs skating? The countries were all messed up next to the pairs names... The names and places were correct but instead of listing...

China
Germany
Russia

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Canada
China
China

for the first 3...and the rest of the top 6-10 were all messed up too...was a bit confused for a moment, lol.

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Anyone catch the 'huge' gaffe NBC made at the end of the Pairs skating? The countries were all messed up next to the pairs names... The names and places were correct but instead of listing...

China
Germany
Russia

It said

Canada
China
China

for the first 3...and the rest of the top 6-10 were all messed up too...was a bit confused for a moment, lol.

I'm not entirely sure if these are NBC's own graphics or the Host Broadcasting Services' data feed. Sometimes NBC generates these graphics using the same font types and formats of the host feed -- for uniformity. Other times you can clearly tell they are NBC's own graphics because they have a different font. These I'm not sure.
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I'm not entirely sure if these are NBC's own graphics or the Host Broadcasting Services' data feed.

Wouldn't all broadcasters have the same error then?
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Wouldn't all broadcasters have the same error then?

I wasn't watching CTV at the time so I didn't know. Anyone saw this on CTV "live" as well? By the way, it's 1:14am here in Canada and CTV is currently showing a replay of the pairs event (somewhat condensed, though). CTV ended the replay with it's OWN leaders board -- different graphics from NBC's (or HBS' ??).
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Anyone catch the 'huge' gaffe NBC made at the end of the Pairs skating? The countries were all messed up next to the pairs names... The names and places were correct but instead of listing...

China
Germany
Russia

It said

Canada
China
China

for the first 3...and the rest of the top 6-10 were all messed up too...was a bit confused for a moment, lol.

On my local NBC stations the countries were not spelled out as you have above, but there were only 3 letters as I recall. I think I remember see CHN or something like that, but I was clearly confused, because the abreviations did not seem to correspond to the appropriate country. Anyway, I just attributed it to the fact it only appeared for a couple of seconds and figured I somehow misread it.

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How I'm I supposed too enjoy these games?
Speed Skating track & banners on boarders are a blocky mess.
Close-ups of the skaters turn back the clock too 40's Cubism.

What a joke!
Digital is worse than analog.

My Salt Lake City games HD experience on a 38" CRT was stunning/mesmerizing.
It wasn't perfect, butt it sure was enjoyable.
(I picked up pixelation on finer details, that I thought at the time were due too the limitations of the set)

As posted B4 static shots are super!
Why 'people' spend tons of $$$ on displays & Comcast cable...
and can't tell or put up w/the the PQ going from good too poor...
every few secounds no less...
is beyond me.

People should be protesting in the street!
2010 HD Cable is a BIG ripoff.
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*Waits for JCL to post the press release stating NBC's losses for these games, which will approach $300 million*
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*Waits for JCL to post the press release stating NBC's losses for these games, which will approach $300 million*

I think I would wait until the final week of the Games to see if any of the networks would provide an update.

Now both CTV/Rogers and NBC are all getting better than expected ratings -- some additional spot ads might be sold to narrow the expected deficits of these networks. Yes, recognize this as well...rights to these games were bought in more bouyant economic times. The ads that pay for them were sold in a different environment.

If the guys running these networks are smart (like many other CEO's who must be accountable to shareholders and so on), they would low ball everyone at the outset and then beat those lowered expectations as the final numbers come in.
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I am actually enjoying the NBC coverage this evening. There have been only a few fluff pieces...many less than I recall from previous years.

Knew it was too good to be true... now that the glamor events and "favored" Americans are starting to appear, we're beginning to see more of those pieces beginning to creep in again.

And if they start to lose the enthusiasm of the viewing audience by interrupting the natural flow and natural excitement of covering the competition "start-to-finish" (or something resembling that) as if it were "live" and prove to us that the whole thing is taped and edited/packaged I expect the ratings to begin to taper off.

Disrupting an exciting event with a fluff piece or in-studio interview with last night's American winner from a totally different event is not the way to win friends and influence people.

Actually, I couldn't believe that in the early part of the men's moguls they'd not shown one of the two Canadian runs, which at that point were 1 and 2! And they showed the other one in replay mode. But they showed the wipeout in totality for both of the Americans who RNS'd. I thought that was a real insult, to the Canadians and also to the viewers. Of course the later Canadian performances were presented, but I was surprised at how they handled the earlier two apparent non-events!

On an unrelated matter, I thought the high-scoring of the Canadian pairs figure skating couple (who fell, and had no emotion) was outrageous... as did Sandra and Scott and Tom, and rightly so. But I though the German pair was truly superb, as was the top Chinese pair, and was glad that they both ended up on top and very close. Should be exciting at tomorrow's long program.
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Knew it was too good to be true... now that the glamor events and "favored" Americans are starting to appear, we're beginning to see more of those pieces beginning to creep in again.

And if they start to lose the enthusiasm of the viewing audience by interrupting the natural flow and natural excitement of covering the competition "start-to-finish" (or something resembling that) as if it were "live" and prove to us that the whole thing is taped and edited/packaged I expect the ratings to begin to taper off.

Disrupting an exciting event with a fluff piece or in-studio interview with last night's American winner from a totally different event is not the way to win friends and influence people.

Actually, I couldn't believe that in the early part of the men's moguls they'd not shown one of the two Canadian runs, which at that point were 1 and 2! And they showed the other one in replay mode. But they showed the wipeout in totality for both of the Americans who RNS'd. I thought that was a real insult, to the Canadians and also to the viewers. Of course the later Canadian performances were presented, but I was surprised at how they handled the earlier two apparent non-events!

On an unrelated matter, I thought the high-scoring of the Canadian pairs figure skating couple (who fell, and had no emotion) was outrageous... as did Sandra and Scott and Tom, and rightly so. But I though the German pair was truly superb, as was the top Chinese pair, and was glad that they both ended up on top and very close. Should be exciting at tomorrow's long program.

Agree 100%. Live beats everything! I noticed the Men's moguls Sunday were not live while Saturday's Women's were. The flow wasn't nearly as good for Sunday's coverage either -- the whole thing was all chopped up. NBC had too much figure skating, and not enough of everything else. The highlight of the night was CTV getting the entire Bilodeau family into the studio just after midnight.
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Agree 100%. Live beats everything! I noticed the Men's moguls Sunday were not live while Saturday's Women's were. The flow wasn't nearly as good for Sunday's coverage either -- the whole thing was all chopped up. NBC had too much figure skating, and not enough of everything else. The highlight of the night was CTV getting the entire Bilodeau family into the studio just after midnight.

Would very much have liked to have seen that family piece.

I have taken to adding an extra 30 minutes to each DVR recording, just to be sure and not lose this week's coverage which I'm sure will always run long. This should especially be true today, when the rescheduled men's downhill competes with pairs long program figure skating during tonight's show. Even edited tape-delay presentation will not fit, I'm sure.
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Would very much have liked to have seen that family piece.

I DVR'd it myself. I haven't seen that 18-minute segment posted on CTVOlympics.ca or the CTV Olympics site on YouTube yet. Anyone saw it posted? Note: CTVOlympics.ca has videos geo-coded, so requests outside Canada might not work 100% -- depending on the clip.


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I have taken to adding an extra 30 minutes to each DVR recording, just to be sure and not lose this week's coverage which I'm sure will always run long. This should especially be true today, when the rescheduled men's downhill competes with pairs long program figure skating during tonight's show. Even edited tape-delay presentation will not fit, I'm sure.

CTV has the men's downhill live at 1:30 pm eastern time.
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Sorry to be a day late with this comment rant.

It's a step in the right direction for NBC to get the dialog at a consistent level on live events and the commercials to match the dialnorm. It works to lower the level of louder material to match the dialnorm value. But what about material that is lower in loudness? Features and much of episodic television is mixed for a dialog level of -27db, which also happens to the be default dialnorm value of the Dolby DP569 encoder. Does one then raise the level of such material? What happens if there are dynamics that take full advantage of the range? They would be limited. The idea of dialnorm was to allow the audio to be passed untouched to the encoder, and an attenuator in the decoder would act on the decoded audio. I've looked at NBC in the past on a LM100 and have seen their dialog audio significantly lower than -24db.

A stumbling block has been the lack of using a standardized method to carry the dialnorm from production through transmission. VANC metadata can work. Dolby E tracks are another possibility, although it would be required throughout the chain. Every audio monitor would require a Dolby E decoder, which isn't too practical.

At least now the 9 db difference between NBC's original -22db dialnorm and CBS's -31db has been decreased to 3db (NBC is now -24db and CBS is -27db). While this is a significant step forward, it's still no substitute for matching the dialnorm to the dialog loudness on all program elements. BTW, having louder audio from a lower dialnorm value doesn't alter the dynamic range, but it can risk limiting on a mixdown if all the channels have high levels.

If broadcasters want to avoid the legislation, they need to act now. They have no one to blame but themselves. ATSC has been around for over a decade and they did little to implement dialnorm the way it was intended. I couldn't agree more that such legislation would be a travesty. Stations and networks will simply add limiters to avoid fines. Say goodbye to any dynamics as it probably won't even be based on dialog but rather on overall loudness.

The real problem all along has been the commercials. Simply taming that loudness issue would pretty much take care of the public's complaints regarding loudness variations. Kudos to NBC for taking these steps.
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Look at the initial schedule it looked like NBC would be on most days until 2pm or 3pm ET and might miss some live events.

I'm glad checking the schedule that NBC will be live at 1pm today with events scheduled to start at 1pm and 1:30pm ET.

Looking at the evening schedule NBC is holding Men's Downhill scheduled at 1:30pm to fill the time between Figure Skating in prime time.
Since NBC will not be on 5pm to 8pm, shown delayed in prime time will be the Men's Snowboard Cross -- Medal Rd. scheduled for 5pm and the
Men's 500m - Race 1 which is scheduled for 6:30pm ET.

A question for those in Canada, is CTV limiting what can be watched online like NBC is doing?
For the rest of the Olympics NBC is only providing live online video of Hockey and Curling.
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I'm not entirely sure if these are NBC's own graphics or the Host Broadcasting Services' data feed. Sometimes NBC generates these graphics using the same font types and formats of the host feed -- for uniformity. Other times you can clearly tell they are NBC's own graphics because they have a different font. These I'm not sure.

Yep - if NBC take a host dirty feed then that will have host-generated graphics in the host graphic style.

NBC will also have access to the host graphic style elements (fonts, logos, graphic straps etc.) which they can put into their own Viz, Chyron etc. to generate their own graphics in the same style as the host - which can be useful to add specific graphics within a package of host content.

(The BBC in the UK do this - you can tell whether they are host or BBC generated by a small BBC Sport logo appearing bottom left on the graphic.)

NBC Sport, like BBC Sport in the UK, may also have their own graphic style - totally different to the host coverage. The BBC use this for highlights and analysis - as opposed to events coverage.

(Anecdotally I've heard that there is a data feed available, to let rights holders generate their own bespoke graphics from the raw data. However last I heard this may not have been reliable - which could explain the NBC line-up error. I know that some broadcasters are manually compiling their graphics instead - though that of course is also subject to error)
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