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That sounds good. You caught the second airing.

1st airing. They had a movie on during the regular time slot.

EDIT: reading back I see comments about it being on at 10. I have FiOS and the guide had it starting first-run at 11:02 and recorded it correctly.

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1st airing. They had a movie on during the regular time slot.

EDIT: reading back I see comments about it being on at 10. I have FiOS and the guide had it starting first-run at 11:02 and recorded it correctly.

Right, but it was also on at 10:02ish, without a proper listing on the FIOS guide. The only way to have caught that one was to do it manually or to record the Transporter movie. Just to keep kicking this dead horse, since they had the movie listed as ending at 11, it was listed in a small window on the FIOS guide as starting at 11and this 11 pm start was listed as ending 11:02. You might not have noticed this since it was a small window on the guide and difficult to lock on to.

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This show has fallen to 1.5 ratings.
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Another way to look at it, the show had it's best ratings since the second episode!
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It's leveled out which is good.
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I wish this show was good. I like Olyphant and his character fine but the show as a whole is weak.
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I wish this show was good. I like Olyphant and his character fine but the show as a whole is weak.

You're either going to be into the pacing and characterization or not. As has been stated, they are staying pretty faithful to the feel of the Elmore Leonard stories. The characters don't act in typical formula TV patterns. My wife and I find it refreshing...some won't. I hope it finds enough of an audience to develop this quirky series.

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You're either going to be into the pacing and characterization or not. As has been stated, they are staying pretty faithful to the feel of the Elmore Leonard stories. The characters don't act in typical formula TV patterns. My wife and I find it refreshing...some won't. I hope it finds enough of an audience to develop this quirky series.

I'm all for quirky and different as long as they don't forget to make characters interesting. I like Olyphants character, love Walt Goggin's character, there's just not enough of him. I can't stand the cookie cutter characters of Marshall boss and the black female partner. Also, I thought this was based on one EL short story or something.
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You're either going to be into the pacing and characterization or not. As has been stated, they are staying pretty faithful to the feel of the Elmore Leonard stories. The characters don't act in typical formula TV patterns. My wife and I find it refreshing...some won't. I hope it finds enough of an audience to develop this quirky series.

Ron -- I agree. As we have seen from some of the posts here, some posters just don't get Elmore Leonard. That's all right, though. They are entitled to their opinions and, anyway, we didn't take them to raise.
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Watched this week's episode last night and I'm enjoying the show more and more. His dad offers a lot to the show. Interesting to see how the dad of the guy they shot in the pilot plays into it and if he really does come after Eva.
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Watched this week's episode last night and I'm enjoying the show more and more. His dad offers a lot to the show. Interesting to see how the dad of the guy they shot in the pilot plays into it and if he really does come after Eva.

I have enjoyed Raylan's father, and his stepmother, too. I liked the way this week's episode played out. It ended with a bittersweet twist that I thought was effective. What worries me most about Justified is that it's another show, which, despite my loving it, may be too smart and non-formulaic for its own good. The part of this week's episode with Raylan's father and stepmother was a good example.
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I really want to like this show because of Raylan, but I'm concerned that the locale is leading them to repetitive plots. They've been importing out-of-town Yankees from the beginning for some reason, I guess because the Kentucky angle is just too limited.
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Love the show. Raylan and the Elmore Leonard remarkably true to style dialog are the high points. Some of the peripheral characters such as the black female partner are weak at best. Unlike others I'm not a fan of the dad gone bad storyline at all. Preferred the 1st couple episodes and the dentist gone wild stories by far.
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Unlike others I'm not a fan of the dad gone bad storyline at all. Preferred the 1st couple episodes and the dentist gone wild stories by far.

Same here. I thought this episode was very weak in comparison. The dialog was lacking spark, the tone one-note and I don't feel any chemistry at all whenever Raylan and the woman are on screen having their night time conversations.


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I was born and raised in Kentucky, so the "this place sucks" mantra gets old quickly. Kentucky features some beautiful locales, some brilliant people, and some great events, along with the few but all-too-stereotypical shoeless hicks in the hills.

But I am enjoying the series for the most part. The mood is just right, and the dialog is entertaining.

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I was born and raised in Kentucky, so the "this place sucks" mantra gets old quickly. Kentucky features some beautiful locales, some brilliant people, and some great events, along with the few but all-too-stereotypical shoeless hicks in the hills.

But I am enjoying the series for the most part. The mood is just right, and the dialog is entertaining.

But really, if you show was just "Kentuckiens are just like everyone else", would that be compelling television?
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Love the show. Raylan and the Elmore Leonard remarkably true to style dialog are the high points. Some of the peripheral characters such as the black female partner are weak at best. Unlike others I'm not a fan of the dad gone bad storyline at all. Preferred the 1st couple episodes and the dentist gone wild stories by far.

As noted in my last post, I enjoyed the interplay among Raylan, his father, and his stepmother. Nevertheless, I agree that the episode with the dentist cum fugitive on the run show was even better. The closer the show stays to the tone of Elmore Leonard's stories the better it is, it seems to me.
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The closer the show stays to the tone of Elmore Leonard's stories the better it is, it seems to me.

Have you read the two novels about Raylan or the novella Fire In the Hole the pilot is based on? I just finished reading them and I don't really find that the tone matches the books. I realize they are not following any of the plot lines or stories in the books, but maybe they should have.
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Have you read the two novels about Raylan or the novella Fire In the Hole the pilot is based on? I just finished reading them and I don't really find that the tone matches the books. I realize they are not following any of the plot lines or stories in the books, but maybe they should have.

I have, indeed, read them. I think the show captures the tone of Leonard's work in that even the bad guys, although they certainly are bad, are also charming and amazingly articulate, despite the horrifying things they often do. I've lost count of how many of those we have seen this season, the dentist on the run being only the most recent example. Are you sure you aren't confusing the plots of the stories, which are largely different in this show, with the bulk of the characters, who certainly are not? Even Leonard's good guys are not that good, think The Hot Kid, Carl Webster; the show's version of Raylan fits that profile.
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I have, indeed, read them. I think the show captures the tone of Leonard's work in that even the bad guys, although they certainly are bad, are also charming and amazingly articulate, despite the horrifying things they often do. I've lost count of how many of those we have seen this season, the dentist on the run being only the most recent example. Are you sure you aren't confusing the plots of the stories, which are largely different in this show, with the bulk of the characters, who certainly are not? Even Leonard's good guys are not that good, think The Hot Kid, Carl Webster; the show's version of Raylan fits that profile.

No, I'm well aware the stories aren't the same. Maybe I just don't see the characters on Justified as being as developed or unique as you do. I read a ton of authors. I read more than I watch TV. Bad guys that are charming and articulate are pretty common in books. They are not that common in tv shows and movies for some reason. They are almost always portrayed as 100% evil with no redeeming qualities. And again, good guys not being entirely good is another device used in novels. I think this show so far is pretty forgettable though I did like the dentist episode. I believe there have been at least two bad guy characters that wanted to get out of Kentucky but didn't have enough money or some such nonsense. I'll continue to watch this show though and hope that it improves.
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This is quickly becoming one of my favorite shows. I think I have a man crush on Raylan.
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No, I'm well aware the stories aren't the same. Maybe I just don't see the characters on Justified as being as developed or unique as you do. I read a ton of authors. I read more than I watch TV. Bad guys that are charming and articulate are pretty common in books. They are not that common in tv shows and movies for some reason. They are almost always portrayed as 100% evil with no redeeming qualities. And again, good guys not being entirely good is another device used in novels. I think this show so far is pretty forgettable though I did like the dentist episode. I believe there have been at least two bad guy characters that wanted to get out of Kentucky but didn't have enough money or some such nonsense. I'll continue to watch this show though and hope that it improves.

I read constantly, too. The authors who immediately come to mind when I think of Leonard are Michael Connolly and the late great, Robert B. Parker. As much as I admire both Connolly and Parker's books, I have never thought that either wrote characters, particularly bad guys, who were as charming and unpredictably vicious as Leonard's. Nevertheless, I agree that a lot of authors in addition to Leonard do a good job of writing bad boy protagonists, of which Connolly's Harry Bosch and Parker's Spenser are prime examples. By the way, did we ever learn Spenser's first name?
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I love Kentucky, without it, no BOURBON...

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I love Kentucky, without it, no BOURBON...

Oh, you'd still have it. It would just be called "whiskey".
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By the way, did we ever learn Spenser's first name?

Unfortunately no. I think I read an interview where Parker himself said he didn't know either. I have read every Parker book his written. I think there may be one more Spenser book coming out that he had completed before his death. Michael Connelly is great, Robert Crais has really come along in the last several years. Dennis Lehane is somebody you should read for great characters that are neither all good or all bad. He's best known for Mystic River and now Shutter Island but the series that Features Pat Kenzie is my favorite work of his. They made the movie Gone Baby Gone a few years ago based on the novel from this series. Not a bad movie but did not capture the feel of the book at all. There are a ton of other authors I love as well. Not the place to talk about them here I guess.

Anyway, Justified is a watchable show. Hopefully it will grow into something great. I will continue to watch either way.
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I enjoyed tonight's ep. The blender comment was funny.
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I love this show. Great ep for sure last night!
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