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I think much of the boardwalk is CGI, I was reading an article in EW in which they said they wer enot able to get the entire boarwalk built to look within that period so they had the CGI team build it for them.

I had a chance to see the set and it all appeared period-accurate. (Of course, I wasn't around in 1920 to be 100% sure!) They even had buildings behind buildings! From all the previews I've seen, everything appears to match what existed real-time. Honestly, the only CGI I'd expect (aside from erasing any NYC buildings in the background) would be the ocean itself. And even that may just be composites using footage from Rockaway Beach or other locales.
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The pilot cost $50 million!?! The Lost pilot cost $12 million, that might be the previous record.



wow 50 mill.

how much did the pacific cost?

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wow 50 mill.

how much did the pacific cost?

Anywhere between $150 - $200 million for the entire series. But, since it was shot in Australia, the figure might be lower under their currency.
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set dvr to record all new episodes last night.

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Of course, LOSt was hardly feature-film quality and B.E. is! And considering all that was required, from the accurate clothing, the cars, the extras...not to mention building the boardwalk itself. The attention to detail on this show covers even the smallest things that most won't ever notice or see. For example, even the matchboxes are accurate to the period! Given today's economics, the $50 million is surprisingly low considering what they've put on the screen.

$50 mill for one episode isn't accurate. Variety gives a far more realistic figure of 18 million US. Even when you factor in the cost of the set that wasn't a one shot and is used throughout the series so that shouldn't be counted in the cost of a single episode. I doubt HBO would spend $50 million just for one 80 minute show.

As for Lost, it was great looking pilot and it easily matched the quality of many character-driven theatrical releases.


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I thought I posted in this thread.

I can't wait for the premier.
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$50 mill for one episode isn't accurate. Variety gives a far more realistic figure of 18 million US. Even when you factor in the cost of the set that wasn't a one shot and is used throughout the series so that shouldn't be counted in the cost of a single episode. I doubt HBO would spend $50 million just for one 80 minute show.

As for Lost, it was great looking pilot and it easily matched the quality of many character-driven theatrical releases.

Maybe its close for the entire series. Looks like it was estimated at ~5 Mil per ep.
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Still wondering about casting Steve Buscemi as the lead. He's a wonderful character actor, but I can't see him as a Tony Soprano-like ruthless head of an organized crime operation. The preview clips I've seen don't give me any confidence he can carry that role in this show. He may end up being the weak link in the production, or he may surprise me.
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Maybe its close for the entire series. Looks like it was estimated at ~5 Mil per ep.

That is more likely and as the article says (or maybe it was another I read) that seems to be pretty typical of big production HBO series.

Deadwood ran at about the same cost per episode, I wonder how that show would have fared if it had been announced this year? They canceled Deadwood because they said the ratings couldn't justify the cost. Anyone remember those numbers?

How low can Boardwalk go before they start saying the same thing?


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$50 mill for one episode isn't accurate. Variety gives a far more realistic figure of 18 million US. Even when you factor in the cost of the set that wasn't a one shot and is used throughout the series so that shouldn't be counted in the cost of a single episode. I doubt HBO would spend $50 million just for one 80 minute show..

The $50 million figure wasn't mine. Just was responding to someone who quoted that amount. I don't know what the actual budget was but, either way, they got a bargain!
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Still wondering about casting Steve Buscemi as the lead. He's a wonderful character actor, but I can't see him as a Tony Soprano-like ruthless head of an organized crime operation. The preview clips I've seen don't give me any confidence he can carry that role in this show. He may end up being the weak link in the production, or he may surprise me.

Well, his character is not really a Tony Soprano type (he's not even a gangster per se), but I understand what you mean. As for surprising you...he will...he knocks this out of the park, in my opinion. In addition to being able to play the intensity, he can also display humor with just a facial expression. While he's been given material mostly in the latter category in the past, he employs both (when needed) on BE. As for his relations with women, check out his one-on-one with Sienna Miller in INTERVIEW. Or, though a totally different character, you can see Steve and Michael Pitt's previous co-starrer DELIRIOUS. Personally, I feel his Golden Globe nomination for BE is practically assured.
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Still wondering about casting Steve Buscemi as the lead. He's a wonderful character actor,

If you think he is a "character actor", you don't really know his complete body of work.
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You beat me to it. I think he'll do just fine.

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disclaimer: I have not seen any part of this series or previews.

I was listening to a long review of the series on NPR yesterday afternoon, and the person discussing it felt that Steve Buscemi was actually the weak link in an otherwise excellent cast. What he felt was that it was hard to imagine his having such a loyal following and getting ruthless people to do his bidding.

Evidently all the characters in the show are based on real people, and the character Buscemi plays, Nucky Thompson, evidently in real life looked a lot like John Gandolfini! They went in a completely different direction when casting the actor to play him, for obvious reasons.

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disclaimer: I have not seen any part of this series or previews.

I was listening to a long review of the series on NPR yesterday afternoon, and the person discussing it felt that Steve Buscemi was actually the weak link in an otherwise excellent cast. What he felt was that it was hard to imagine his having such a loyal following and getting ruthless people to do his bidding.

Evidently all the characters in the show are based on real people, and the character Buscemi plays, Nucky Thompson, evidently in real life looked a lot like John Gandolfini! They went in a completely different direction when casting the actor to play him, for obvious reasons.

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Who's John Gandolfini? As always, we'll see once the show gets going. It's tough to predict based on the previews.

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Think of what a small portion of the 50mil could have done to finish off Deadwood properly, a show that already had all it's sets built.

Instead, we got the incredible show John From Cincinnati.

I can't wait to see the pilot of Boardwalk this weekend. The show looks pretty damn good from the previews.
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The real Enoch L. "Nucky" Thompson:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_L._Johnson

As you can see, his real name was Johnson...

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Just Thinking of Telling You About This Gives Me the Heebie-Jeebies: It's the Next Big Thing on TV

Martin Scorsese is one of America’s masterful moviemakers. In 2006 he won the Academy Award for the crime film “The Departed.” It’s not Scorsese’s best movie, though it was a return to a theme he’s visited often in his career—gangsterism.

This Sunday, Sept. 19th, Scorsese has teamed with one of the most talented writers of “The Sopranos,’ multiple Emmy winner Terence Winter, to revisit that theme once again. The new series, on HBO, is “Boardwalk Empire,” set in 1920—at the dawn of Prohibition—primarily in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

The show is swell. It’s ritzy, spiffy and spanky. It’s the bee’s knees and the cat’s meow. In other words, it’s that rare beast in any art form: The Real McCoy. It’s Jake.

You’d be all wet to miss it.

Fifteen years ago, Scorsese made another of his gangster films, “Casino.” At the same time he made a four-hour documentary for the British Film Institute entitled “A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Film.”

At the time Scorsese said, “In the long run, this documentary is probably more important than ‘Casino.’“

He was probably right. The documentary is a stunning tour through Scorsese’s mind, focusing on his view of filmmaking in America and what it means, from D.W. Griffith up to the time when Scorsese himself started making movies. (Aside: HBO should acquire the rights and show this documentary sometime during the run of “Boardwalk Empire.”)

In his “Personal Journey,” Scorsese says that “to me, the most interesting of the classic [film] genres are the indigenous ones.” He identifies those as the American western, the American musical and the American gangster film.

These genres, he explains, “remind me of jazz—they allow for endless, increasingly complex, sometimes perverse, variations. And when these variations were played by the masters, they reflected the changing times. They gave us fascinating insights into American culture and the American psyche.”

He then talks specifically about the gangster genre. First he quotes Howard Hawks, who in 1932 made the original “Scarface,” one of Scorsese’s touchstone movies: “There is action only if there is danger.”

To “stay alive or die, this is our greatest drama,” Scorsese intones.

He talks about the origins of the gangster picture, before World War I: that D.W. Griffith made a short, silent gangster film called “The Musketeers of Pig Alley,” and that in 1915 director Raoul Walsh made one—“The Regeneration”—that was filmed on location on New York’s lower east side.

In these films, Scorsese tells us, it was a depressed environment that made kids turn to gangsterism.

“But 10 years later,” Scorsese says in his “Personal Journey,” “Prohibition brought about a time of movies that signaled a tremendous escalation of urban violence. What struck me in ‘Scarface’ was Howard Hawks’ cool and distant objectivity. He showed [the main character] Tony Camante—really Al Capone—as a vicious, immature, irresponsible character. Yet that world was almost attractive because of its irresponsibility. And that was disturbing.”

Which is exactly what Scorsese and Winter do in “Boardwalk Empire.”

In the documentary Scorsese also notes that Hawks—being Hawks—also put nice touches of humor in “Scarface.”

Again, the same can be said of the first episode of “Boardwalk Empire,” which Scorsese directed. Most particularly the scene where the Feds are on the phone trying to identify a bunch of well-known gangsters who are meeting in Atlantic City.

Jumping back to Scorsese’s “Personal Journey,” he continues about the gangster film: “At the end of the ‘30s came a really pivotal film—Raoul Walsh’s 'The Roaring Twenties.' This chronicle of the Prohibition era was the last great gangster film before the advent of film noir. It reads like a twisted Horatio Alger story—the gangster caricature of the American Dream.”

Scorsese continues, “This was the gripping saga of the war hero turned bootlegger and his downfall after the stock market crash,” and how “the gangster had now become a tragic figure.”

Furthermore, Scorsese says that “The Roaring Twenties” “was actually the inspiration of my student film, ‘It’s Not Just You, Murray!’ And I’d like to think that ‘Goodfellas’ comes out of the tradition of something as extraordinary as ‘The Roaring Twenties’ and ‘Scarface.’”

And, clearly, “Boardwalk Empire” comes out of the tradition of these movies as well.

Reportedly, Scorsese, who is also an executive producer on “Boardwalk Empire,” worked closely with show creator Terence Winter on all aspects of the series, not just the one episode that Scorsese directed.

How wonderful for Scorsese that he’s now working on a project set in the era of those early gangster films that he so dearly loves. No longer does he have to be confined to a more modern gangster film that just pays homage to that era.

And even more wonderful for us. “Boardwalk Empire,” like all great entertainment, works on multiple levels. Thanks to its “Mad Men”-like attention to detail—including the music—and great ensemble acting—starting with an extraordinary performance by Steve Buscemi, who doesn’t just play the lead character, Nucky Thompson, but who disappears into the man’s soul—the show is a wonderful period drama.

But as Scorsese and Winter know, both of them steeped in gangsterism as they are, from the original “Scarface” to Tony Soprano, it’s not just the gangsters who are gangsters. Gangsterism pervades Americana, past and present, up to and including our presidents, who nonetheless proclaim they aren’t crooks.

What’s so brilliant about the metaphor Scorsese and Winter have done in choosing to set “Boardwalk Empire” in Atlantic City during Prohibition is the pervasiveness of gangsterism during that period, and blurring of the line between politics and illegal activities as well as between regular folk and criminals.

The Scorsese-directed first episode sets the tone for the episodes that follow. I’ve seen the first five episodes of the show, and I think the series improves week-to-week. I love the look of the show—it seems to marry noir with the gangster genre more and more with each succeeding episode. Of those first five episodes, I think no. 5 is the best.

Besides the excellent ensemble acting—and special kudos to Gretchen Mol, who practically steals every scene she’s in once her character gets going—the writing is first rate. Besides Winter, other writers on the show include Lawrence Konner, Tim Van Patten, Howard Korder, and Margaret Nagle. Some may quibble that “Boardwalk Empire” is, at times, too reminiscent of some of the storylines used in “The Sopranos,” but I don’t have that beef.

As you begin to watch “Boardwalk Empire” you’ll likely find yourself not wanting to miss what happens next. It’s like Scorsese says about movies in “Personal Journey": “As with heroin, the antidote to film is more film.”

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Shut up Donny.

Seriously, has he ever had to carry a film as the lead? Could be I guess; just can't think of any.
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The real Enoch L. "Nucky" Thompson:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_L._Johnson

As you can see, his real name was Johnson...

Steve was on Regis and Kelley Monday morning and noted this fact, he said
(and I paraphrase) the character was based on a real person named Nucky Johnson and we changed it to Thompson, I guess so the family wouldn't find out in his normal deadpan delivery.

Looking forward to this Sunday, the DVR is set to season pass this one!
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Seriously, has he ever had to carry a film as the lead? Could be I guess; just can't think of any.

Take the time to look things up.
Filmography of 121 movies. 3 films in production at present and 5 projects in development. Also has capable talents as a writer, director and producer.

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Shut up Donny.

Seriously, has he ever had to carry a film as the lead? Could be I guess; just can't think of any.

Well, I've already mentioned the recent INTERVIEW and DELERIOUS. But hey, although I know it's an ensemble piece, I consider Steve to have been one of the leads in RESERVOIR DOGS. entire first scene, in fact, is primarily a result of what his character doesn't like to do!
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Recommendations would include "Living in Oblivion", "Fargo", "Trees Lounge"

Thanks for the advice, but I'm quite familiar with his body of work (hence the Lebowski reference which you may have missed). I just don't see him as a leading man capable of carrying this production a la Gandolfini around whose star the other Sopranos orbited. Character actors, even acclaimed ones, are second bananas for a reason. I may be wrong; we'll see.
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Time Warner really spends a lot of cash on making sure HBO has top quality shows to produce. I thank them for that They gave us True Blood, Six Feet Under, Sopranos, and other great shows. I really look forward to this.
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Time Warner really spends a lot of cash on making sure HBO has top quality shows to produce. I thank them for that They gave us True Blood, Six Feet Under, Sopranos, and other great shows. I really look forward to this.

You left out 'John From Cincinnati'. No seriously, I enjoyed the bizarreness and quirkiness of that show in a 'Twin Peaks' kind of way. Me and 37 others.

But make no mistake, HBO is wallowing in cash. They reputedly made a billion in profit a couple of years back. And they still canceled 'Deadwood'.
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"Boardwalk Empire" is a royal pain

Boardwalk Empire

When: Sunday, 9 p.m.

Where:HBO

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In 1920, America was embarking on an extreme cultural makeover. The boys were home from World War I, women were about to get the vote, Wall Street was exploding, and a million flappers were preparing to dive into a million gallons of bathtub gin.

With its resorts, nightclubs and famed boardwalk, Atlantic City was the faux jewel in the crown of 1920s America, and in HBO's new Boardwalk Empire, no expense has been spared in re-creating those oceanside pleasure palaces. But in Sunday's 75-minute debut episode, both the brassy city and the brash era seem tired and tinny.

Dependable oddball Steve Buscemi stars as the real-life Enoch Nucky Thompson, the town treasurer who is also the wheeling-dealing king of the city's backroom underworld. Whether you want booze, babes or a little bureaucratic somethin'-somethin', Nucky is your guy. And when the series kicks off, Nucky is gearing up for the dawn of Prohibition and the windfall of a lifetime.

We've got a product a fella's gotta have, Nucky tells his fellow kingpins. And when midnight rolls around, the nightclub band plays Taps while Nucky and the gang toast the temperance movement that is going to turn their lives into one big money party.

But there are some flies in Nucky's rum punch, and you don't have to be a student of the Warner Bros. gangster-movie catalog to see them coming.

First up is Jimmy Darmody (Michael Pitt, The Village), who has returned from the war with ambitions to be more than Nucky's driver. A chance meeting with a fellow flunky with a notorious name puts Jimmy on his upwardly mobile path with predictably violent results.

Nucky's rumrunning activities also put him in the company of such notorious businessmen as crime boss Arnold Rothstein (Michael Stuhlbarg), Lucky Luciano (Vincent Piazza) and an up-and-comer named Al Capone (Stephen Graham). As we discover in an opera-accompanied montage straight out of The Godfather, Nucky's partners in speak-easy crime are not a particularly civil bunch. Nucky may be taken aback by the bloody turn of events, but you won't be.

In fact, you won't be surprised by much Boardwalk Empire has up its impeccably tailored sleeve. Sunday's episode was written by creator Terence Winter (The Sopranos) and directed by Martin Scorsese, but almost nothing on the screen lives up to their reputations.

From the sympathy-inducing plot involving Nucky's relationship with an Irish immigrant (Kelly Macdonald, No Country for Old Men) to Jimmy's back-channel scheming, Boardwalk Empire is as creaky as the boardwalk itself. This being HBO, the language is flashily foul and the nudity is graphic and mostly gratuitous. Given the rote nature of the story lines, neither adults-only extra helps much.

The always-appealing Macdonald makes her character more than just a little woman in distress, and the daft Dabney Coleman is inspired as Nucky's loony mentor. But as terrific as he is in supporting roles, Buscemi seems too small and shifty to play Nucky with the big-time flair the character needs.

With its big historical ambitions, swanky period details and impressive pedigree, Boardwalk Empire cuts a striking TV figure, and most critics have been wowed by what they've seen. But if you are also dubious after Sunday's debut, come join me at my table in the Cranky Corner. There are plenty of Doubter's Daiquiris to go around.
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that review just posted doesn't sound good.
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that review just posted doesn't sound good.

It's just one guy's opinion. There have been many glowing reviews as well. However, he did mention one thing that caught my eye...

"But as terrific as he is in supporting roles, Buscemi seems too small and shifty to play Nucky with the big-time flair the character needs."

Word.
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