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It's starting to look like HBO's series may be taking different paths in telling the story.

Major changes already happened in season 2.

So far... HBO's been true to the characters attitudes...

but have changed people & locations.
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The only mention of him is during the scene in the house of the undying.

Man, you do know your stuff Just thought you deserved a shout out for that.

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Man, you do know your stuff Just thought you deserved a shout out for that.

Thanks man...that just made me so happy
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It's starting to look like HBO's series may be taking different paths in telling the story.

Major changes already happened in season 2.

So far... HBO's been true to the characters attitudes...

but have changed people & locations.

I get the impression everyone's OK with HBO's treatment.
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I get the impression everyone's OK with HBO's treatment.

Because of the length of the books and the number of characters, I don't see how HBO could accomplish this in 10 episode seasons without major changes. I am ok with the changes thus far.

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HBO's 'Game Of Thrones' On Track To Be Crowned Most Pirated Show Of 2012
By Andy Greenberg, Forbes.com

Brace yourselves, HBO. The pirates are coming.

With its popularity swelling and no easy way to watch for viewers without cable, HBO’s hit series “Game of Thrones” is inspiring massive levels of piracy, according to numbers from the **********-tracking and analysis firm Big Champagne. By the firm’s rough estimate, the second season of the show has been downloaded more than 25 million times from public torrent trackers since it began in early April, and its piracy hit a new peak following April 30th’s episode, with more than 2.5 million downloads in a day.

“It certainly appears to be the most pirated show of the year,” says John Robinson, a senior media analyst with Big Champagne. He says it’s too early to measure definitively, but the company’s data so far as well as the popularity rankings on download site the Pirate Bay point to “Game of Thrones” as filesharers’ favorite show of 2012. “The fact that it’s consistently at the top of the Pirate Bay’s top one hundred TV show chart seems like a pretty in-your-face leading indicator of the huge volume at which this is being shared.”

According to the **********-focused blog and measurement site Torrentfreak, the first season of “Game of Thrones” was the second-most pirated show of 2011 behind the sixth season of Showtime’s “Dexter.”

But Big Champagne’s numbers show that downloads of the second season of “Game of Thrones” so far consistently top “Dexter”‘s piracy numbers from the same point in its season last year. (See chart above left.)

It’s worth noting that ********** is just one way that shows are pirated online–I was able to find streaming episodes of Game of Thrones on sites like free-tv-video-online.me and zzstream.com after just a few Google searches. But those streaming options are even tougher to track and measure than **********.

While “Game of Thrones”‘ filesharing rates are probably driven in part by its appeal to the young, geeky male demographic that’s most prone to using torrent sites, HBO hasn’t helped the problem by making the show tough to watch online for the young and cable-less. The show isn’t available through Hulu or Netflix, iTunes offers only Season 1, and using HBO’s own streaming site HBO Go requires a cable subscription. (The situation was captured in the widely read comic strip The Oatmeal, in which the author attempts the rage-inducing process of trying to watch “Game of Thrones” online before giving up and downloading it from a sleazy porn-ad covered torrent site.)

“This is absolutely a reaction to the show’s not being available elsewhere online,” says Big Champagne’s Robinson. “It’s a very tricky game trying to create this kind of scarcity.”

Update: Forbes contributor Erik Kain elaborates on why HBO has “only itself to blame” for the show’s piracy.

Update again: Reddit’s “Game of Thrones” forum has some interesting discussion around this post. Many of the users admit to pirating the show and explain why they do it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygree...-show-of-2012/
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I get the impression everyone's OK with HBO's treatment.

Sure. The series does not replace the books. If anything, for me, it illustrates them. After watching S1 the first thing I did was to re-read the books, which worked wonderfully well in tandem with the TV show.

There don't seem to be many (if any) major issues arising from the changes being noticed by or causing problems for non-readers (condensing the action and reducing the number of characters would seem to be good for those viewers). And for me, I can certainly hold both versions in my head at the same time.

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I hope they don't make Ramsey Snow-Bolton a good guy now...
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I watched tonight's episode and was blown away, again. The clever changes the writers have made to Martin's original stories, while remaining faithful to his characters has been noting short of amazing. As much as I enjoyed Season 1, Season 2 has been even better.
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I watched tonight's episode and was blown away, again. The clever changes the writers have made to Martin's original stories, while remaining faithful to his characters has been noting short of amazing. As much as I enjoyed Season 1, Season 2 has been even better.

Again, I totally agree with you...Get out of my head!

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HBO's 'Game Of Thrones' On Track To Be Crowned Most Pirated Show Of 2012
By Andy Greenberg, Forbes.com

It's simple offer HBOGo as a stand alone service and add CURRENT seasons of their shows on Amazon and Itunes. I use HBOGo and like it but it's only because we're getting a special deal where out HBO is free. Guess what when that goes away so does HBO. I'm not paying $20 a month for HBO it's that simple. Not when I also have to pay $65 for the rest of my cable package too. That's not counting the STB rental fees.

What if I want to cut cable? No way of getting Game of Thrones legally. Now while I don't condone pirating if you are going to make it IMPOSSIBLE for people to get your content, content by the way some people like me are willing to PAY for, well don't get mad when people pirate your stuff.

Why is it the entertainment industry seems to ALWAYS have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future? I remember when Hollywood tried to kill the VCR because they said it condoned piracy and was going to kill off their revenues. Now they can't make it without the home video market. Do they ever learn?
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Instead of worrying about subscription fees, why don't they allow it to be shown on the web, only with commercials? Naive maybe, but they should really offer some way for people to see it legally without having to subscribe to HBO.

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Instead of worrying about subscription fees, why don't they allow it to be shown on the web, only with commercials?


How's that working out with Hulu?
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Is there a site which summarizes the major book --> show plot/character changes? I was feeling mildly confused again last night and need a cheat sheet to keep track.
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A book summary might not help so much. The way they're going we soon might not need 2 seperate threads I'm not complaining-so far I'm enjoying the changes.

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It's simple offer HBOGo as a stand alone service and add CURRENT seasons of their shows on Amazon and Itunes. I use HBOGo and like it but it's only because we're getting a special deal where out HBO is free. Guess what when that goes away so does HBO. I'm not paying $20 a month for HBO it's that simple. Not when I also have to pay $65 for the rest of my cable package too. That's not counting the STB rental fees.

What if I want to cut cable? No way of getting Game of Thrones legally. Now while I don't condone pirating if you are going to make it IMPOSSIBLE for people to get your content, content by the way some people like me are willing to PAY for, well don't get mad when people pirate your stuff.

Why is it the entertainment industry seems to ALWAYS have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future? I remember when Hollywood tried to kill the VCR because they said it condoned piracy and was going to kill off their revenues. Now they can't make it without the home video market. Do they ever learn?

Isn't HBO the most profitable TV network?

They want to protect existing revenues streams, which includes DVD/Blu-Ray sales, which is another legal avenue to watch the shows.

None of the media companies have really figured out how to price online in such a way to add more customers without cannibalizing existing revenues.
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A book summary might not help so much. The way they're going we soon might not need 2 seperate threads I'm not complaining-so far I'm enjoying the changes.

No kidding! My wife keeps asking me for context since I've read the books, and both last week and this week...I'm left saying, "Your guess is as good as mine!"

She thinks it is a grand conspiracy by GRRM and the producers to f*** with the book readers' heads.
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Isn't HBO the most profitable TV network?


So they could be even MORE profitable. Remember Hollywood tried to kill the VCR because supposedly it was going to destroy their current revenue streams at the time. Now Hollywood wouldn't survive without the home video market. So just because they are making money doesn't mean they are smart.

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They want to protect existing revenues streams, which includes DVD/Blu-Ray sales, which is another legal avenue to watch the shows.

Oh so I can buy season 2 episodes NOW? Nope. Not even on Amazon and Itunes.

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None of the media companies have really figured out how to price online in such a way to add more customers without cannibalizing existing revenues.

Actually it's simple. As I said offering my HBOGo isn't going to cannibalize their current revenue stream because right now they get ZERO form me and they will continue to get ZERO $ from me. offer me HBOGO as a standalone = MORE $$$ in their wallets not less.
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...Actually it's simple. As I said offering my HBOGo isn't going to cannibalize their current revenue stream because right now they get ZERO form me and they will continue to get ZERO $ from me. offer me HBOGO as a standalone = MORE $$$ in their wallets not less.

Actually it probably isn't quite that simple. Presumeably some people would actually drop their regular subscriptions if they could get HBOGo, thus they would lose some revenue there. Would it be offset by the new HBOGo standalone subscribers? Who knows?
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Actually it probably isn't quite that simple. Presumeably some people would actually drop their regular subscriptions if they could get HBOGo, thus they would lose some revenue there.

doubtful. As I said Hollywood was stupid enough to try and nearly succeeding killing the VCR so it doesn't surprise me it will take several more years before they get that they can make TONS more money. In the meantime they are losing BILLIONS. Amazing an industry so obsessed with making money actually turns down from money form people.
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It's simple offer HBOGo as a stand alone service and add CURRENT seasons of their shows on Amazon and Itunes.

It's also very simple that the cable operators would flip out if they did that, and HBO needs the cable operators to be happy with them because they're important for advertising and promotion.
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Also there is nothing wrong with American actors playing British parts.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it either, but if the actor isn't already legal to work in the UK, it's yet another hassle for the show to deal with, and they're only going to do it for someone they really, really need (e.g. Peter Dinklage). The only reason to bother with it is if they truly can't find a British or Eurozone actor for a given part, or to land a star, both of which are pretty unlikely.
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How hard would it have been to take the castle back against Theon's skeleton crew especially with the two direwolves on your side. Those wolves should be grey wind and Ghosts size by now considering that they are all litter mates.

Where the hell is Ghost when Jon Snow is lost?? The wolf should have no problem finding him and bringing him back to Qhorin Halfhand.
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How hard would it have been to take the castle back against Theon's skeleton crew especially with the two direwolves on your side. Those wolves should be grey wind and Ghosts size by now considering that they are all litter mates.

Where the hell is Ghost when Jon Snow is lost?? The wolf should have no problem finding him and bringing him back to Qhorin Halfhand.

I think you're in the wrong thread, or you'd know the answer to those questions.
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I think you're in the wrong thread, or you'd know the answer to those questions.

We all know those answers so he must be in the wrong thread.

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Read on GRRM blog that he wrote the script for episode 7 or 8 of season 3 and he also has read the general outline for season 3's other episodes and casting is taking place.

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I'm intrigued by the changes in the Lannisters from book to series. I read the books back to back and sometimes it gets a little blurry on when things took place, but if I remember right by this time Jamie should be getting a bit more sympathetic as a character. But with the brutal murder of his cellmate who clearly hero worshipped him, followed by the death of the guard, the series seems to be portraying him still as pure evil.Maybe that will change in the next episode-it seems to me the Catlyn-Jamie conversation was a turning point in how the kingslayer was pictured? Still. I did find the cell scene interesting as far as showing what kind of man Jamie is. And then there is the Lannisters back at court. Am I mistaken, or is Joffrey a much stronger person than he was in the book? Again, pure evil, and its interesting that Cersei admits to not being able to control him and is actually fearful of what he might do. In contrast to Jamie, she seems almost sympathetic, where in the book she is pretty much a bitch..her heart to heart with the Imp was almost touching, and he even seemed to be affected, almost showing her a little brotherly love and kindness. Am I wrong on this? Alot of you seem much more familiar with the books than I am, and I'm interested in what you have to say. I'm also not making any value judgements. So far, I'm finding both the books and the series absolutely fascinating, just different. Which is a good thing, me thinks.

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by this time Jamie should be getting a bit more sympathetic as a character. But with the brutal murder of his cellmate who clearly hero worshipped him, followed by the death of the guard, the series seems to be portraying him still as pure evil.

- I didn't see Jaime as a sympathetic character until after he loses his hand and explains the events surrounding his killing of Aerys.
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We all know those answers so he must be in the wrong thread.

Since what is happening to Jon snow never happened like that. Ghost was with him when he joins the wildings and all the other rangers die...qhorin by Jon and ghost to prove himself turn cloak.

For theon he has 2 ships worth of men and several winterfell townsfolk join him including Ramsey. He sent had 6 total. In the tv show he only has a few men from his one ship while the rest attack torren square.

So how do we all know those answers if the book is not being followed?
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I'm intrigued by the changes in the Lannisters from book to series. I read the books back to back and sometimes it gets a little blurry on when things took place, but if I remember right by this time Jamie should be getting a bit more sympathetic as a character. But with the brutal murder of his cellmate who clearly hero worshipped him, followed by the death of the guard, the series seems to be portraying him still as pure evil.Maybe that will change in the next episode-it seems to me the Catlyn-Jamie conversation was a turning point in how the kingslayer was pictured? Still. I did find the cell scene interesting as far as showing what kind of man Jamie is. And then there is the Lannisters back at court. Am I mistaken, or is Joffrey a much stronger person than he was in the book? Again, pure evil, and its interesting that Cersei admits to not being able to control him and is actually fearful of what he might do. In contrast to Jamie, she seems almost sympathetic, where in the book she is pretty much a bitch..her heart to heart with the Imp was almost touching, and he even seemed to be affected, almost showing her a little brotherly love and kindness. Am I wrong on this? Alot of you seem much more familiar with the books than I am, and I'm interested in what you have to say. I'm also not making any value judgements. So far, I'm finding both the books and the series absolutely fascinating, just different. Which is a good thing, me thinks.

There is one part when cersei thanks tyrion after he makes the plans to send little finger to broker the marriage deal with the tyrells. Even kisses him and tyrion doesnt know what to make of it.
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