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I thought it was hugely entertaining and the production values are obviously through the roof, especially for television. It's head and shoulders better than Camelot, though I am watching that anyway and mildly enjoying it as well. This is one I will really look forward to.

Completely agree. The show was excellent and the cinematography was first rate. The neutral palettes worked very well and, for a change, the indoor, fire light scenes didn't look overbaked with reds and golds.
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My wife and I followed the books from the start, even seeking out the short story and the graphic novel set in the same world. Our reaction wasn't to be critical or analytical (which will come later). It was simple: "I can't even believe this series exists at all."

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Very good, a little short of great for the first ep. I understand why some things are condensed, but they also added a few things that I think it would have been better without (Cersei and Jaime's introduction pre-Winterfell, wasn't needed, for example).

- I think it was needed for people that haven't read the book (like my wife). There are a lot of characters to follow. It also served as a nice introduction to the events surrounding Jon Arryn.

Great first episode. Gorgeous set and costume designs. So far the casting seems to be VERY good. I can't wait for the non-readers to see all the twists and turns that happen. My wife was trying to guess who would get together with who and what would happen. I just smiled at how off she was and how surprised she would be as the season progressed.

***NON-BOOK READERS PLEASE READ***
I urge you to avoid all spoilers if possible. The series will truly be much more enjoyable and shocking if you watch things as they go and avoid reading any discussions that may lead to spoilers. Believe me, it will be worth it.
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Watched the 1st episode and really enjoyed it. I haven't read the books yet so this is all new to me.

For those of you that have read the books and wish to.discuss things that will/may be spoilers may want to start a different thread, so that discussion can go on without potentially spoiling anything for those that haven't read the books.
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I have not read the books either, the particular genre not really being my cup of tea, but I really enjoyed what I saw tonight. Not knowing anything about the story I felt a bit overwhelmed with all the characters and their interconnections, possibly a bit of research would be in order to get a better feel for the who, what and where of it all. I'd imagine the HBO site would have something useful in that regard.

The picture quality was outstanding, the best HD TV I've seen in quite some time. Viewed via Comcast in the San Francisco market.
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Another probable winner from HBO.
Know absolutely nothing about the books, but really enjoyed the opener.

Looking forward to the next installment...

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Of late? HBO has been making excellent shows for over a decade.

Yes, HBO has been making excellent shows for a while. I mainly was referring to what happened with Deadwood and the several crappy shows that followed such as John From Cincinnati. I said as of late because of the incredible shows such as The Pacific, Boardwalk Empire, John Adams, etc. that have recently aired.

Now to Game of Thrones, I thought that was an excellent debut. I haven't read the books so I'm looking forward to see what develops. As others have mentioned, I really liked how the natural palette looked. The indoor scenes looked really good I thought. I can't wait until the next episode.
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Anyone who hasn't really needs to read the books, though there's something to be said for going into it fresh. Boy are they going to be surprised.

A couple things that stood out: Jaime Lannister, Dinklage, and the nice touch of the house symbols during the credits. Things that fell short: Dothraki wedding (by a factor of about 1000), Theon Greyjoy there but not identified for those who don't know the story, unneeded creation of Ned/Jaime conversation.
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Huge fan of the books here. I was very, very impressed with the first episode. Not flawless, but damn good. I couldn't be more excited for the rest of the series. Peter Dinklage and Sean Bean both are going to hit these roles out of the park.

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Things that fell short: Dothraki wedding (by a factor of about 1000), Theon Greyjoy there but not identified for those who don't know the story, unneeded creation of Ned/Jaime conversation.

I expect both Theon and Robb will be more prominently featured in future episodes; they really don't do much in the early part of the book, either. I think it would have been character overkill to have them do much besides stand around and smirk at this point. I didn't really mind any of the little changes and "new" scenes. Some of it may have been unnecessary, but nothing that's happened so far is against the spirit of the books.

And the Dothraki wedding...well, what can you say? The Dany storyline is clearly the most difficult part of the show to pull off: The plot is far removed from the rest of the story, the khalasar (dothraki army) is gigantic and brutal, the locations are exotic and massive, the sex and violence is constant, and, let's face it, some of the material that seems compelling on the page (dancing/sex/fighting during the feast) just doesn't seem like it would work on TV. I'm rereading the first book now, and I was curious to see how the wedding would turn out. It wasn't any worse than I suspected/feared, although I think it lacked any feeling for how damn freaking big it was supposed to be. The, um, marriage consummation was very well done and a pretty powerful scene, I thought. Completely won me over on the Dany & Drogo castings. And I was skeptical of the guy playing Viserys initially but I ended up being impressed with him as well. I think they got the toughest stuff out of the way with that storyline already. It wasn't perfect, but I think it is going to catch up with the quality of the Winterfell/Wall/King's Landing pieces pretty quickly.
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Also, I wanted to give a shout-out to the opening credits. HBO always impresses with their ability to establish thematic elements and tone within their opening titles, and GoT might be the best example of this that I've seen. Kudos to whoever is responsible.
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Yeah, for the wedding I just meant the size, the other elements of it were great.
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Really enjoyed the first episode and I'm glad to hear non-readers liked it as well. I'm not sure how they can make the Dothraki wedding work on TV without it coming across as it did. I wasn't bothered by it but I can see how some people would be. I'm hoping GoT's a huge hit so we get all the books made for TV. There's a section of book three I'd really, really like to see.
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I was surprised how much ground they covered in just over an hour without hacking it to bits. Well done, and even better than I had hoped. As a side note, I really digged seeing The Hound. His helmet was just the way I saw it in my mind. But no Hodor so far ?!? HODOR ! HODOR !
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So that blond prick who's pimping out his sister, the kingdom he wants back is the fat king's kingdom?

And who was ****ing his queen, a Lannister who pushed the boy off the ledge?
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So that blond prick who's pimping out his sister, the kingdom he wants back is the fat king's kingdom?

And who was ****ing his queen, a Lannister who pushed the boy off the ledge?

1. Yes. His family (the Targaryens) used to be the ruling family of the kingdom. Now they are not, and Robert Baratheon is the king. Not sure how much more should be revealed in a no spoilers thread, although the basic outline of the history is already revealed at the point in the book where Bran gets thrown out the window.

2. That was the queen (Cersie) and the queen's brother (Jaimie). Icky, to be sure.
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Also, I wanted to give a shout-out to the opening credits. HBO always impresses with their ability to establish thematic elements and tone within their opening titles, and GoT might be the best example of this that I've seen. Kudos to whoever is responsible.

Very much so. As someone who knows nothing about the series, I found the credits invaluable for teaching me, if nothing else, the lay of the land! They were able to start the show and immediately I had a sense of where things were - even that the 3 poor gentlemen at the start of the show were on the north side of that giant wall.

Plus, they were beautiful - I loved the mechanical nature of the map.

And usually I skip the credits.
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I haven't read the books, but I generally liked the first episode. Production value is fantastic. Great detail. Good, but limited effects. I'm getting the impression (from just one episode, I know) that this series is a lot more about politics and intrigue then it is about magic, good versus evil, etc.

I can definitely understand now why HBO picked up the series. Lots of violence, intrigue, politics, and SEX SEX SEX!!! Ugg on that last point. My big problem with HBO is how some of its shows are basically soft-core porn (ahem, True Blood, Deadwood, Entourage, Rome). I'm no puritan, and I don't mind sex scenes, but to me it is totally unnecessary to the story to depit the sex so graphically on screen, or use such vulgar language so gratuitously. I'd be embarassed to recommend this show to my parents, for example, and I certainly would be embarassed to watch it with anyone except my wife.

I'm a big Wheel of Time fan, and I'm currently re-reading the series. At one point last night, I turned to my wife as she was rolling her eyes at yet another gratuitous sex scene, and said "my books aren't like that."
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I was kind of hoping this would be historical, or supposedly historical, like that Mel Gibson movie I never saw.

But there's some interesting mix of races in what is presumably based on England. But a mythical "North" looks like a land of blizzards while some of the action takes place in a tropical place.

Then of course the supernatural hints in the opening sequence (you hope the creator is true to his word and won't pull a Lost).
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I haven't read the books, but I generally liked the first episode. Production value is fantastic. Great detail. Good, but limited effects. I'm getting the impression (from just one episode, I know) that this series is a lot more about politics and intrigue then it is about magic, good versus evil, etc.

I can definitely understand now why HBO picked up the series. Lots of violence, intrigue, politics, and SEX SEX SEX!!! Ugg on that last point. My big problem with HBO is how some of its shows are basically soft-core porn (ahem, True Blood, Deadwood, Entourage, Rome). I'm no puritan, and I don't mind sex scenes, but to me it is totally unnecessary to the story to depit the sex so graphically on screen, or use such vulgar language so gratuitously. I'd be embarassed to recommend this show to my parents, for example, and I certainly would be embarassed to watch it with anyone except my wife.

I'm a big Wheel of Time fan, and I'm currently re-reading the series. At one point last night, I turned to my wife as she was rolling her eyes at yet another gratuitous sex scene, and said "my books aren't like that."

To non-readers I'm sure the sex is going to come across as something HBO added to attract men, like on other shows. In GRRM's world sex isn't just there to fill pages; it defines who some people are and explains motivations of others. I'm not going to complain about nudity and sex in a show but I do notice when it seems to be there just for the sake of attracting men. Knowing the story as I do last night's episode never felt gratuitous; just a depiction of what Westeros is like.
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My few thoughts... have never read the books but I was really impressed with the premiere.

The production values are amazing. So far much better than Camelot. From the opening 10 minutes, you knew this show was a lot bigger than it's contemporaries; it felt like watching a movie, not a series.

Now admittedly I was a little confused with all the competing Houses and the various clans (heck, all the characters even). A lot of info for someone not accustomed to the books to absorb in a span of 40-45 minutes, but I think repeat viewings will benefit this kind of show.

As for the characters, Shaun Bean, amazing, as always. I know the Queen (whoever plays her character), she was in 300 I think but the acting was very good throughout. In particular, the dwarf was pure gold. He hit all his scenes out of the park as far as I'm concerned and in a span of only a few minutes of screen time has become my favorite character.

FYI, I don't know if anyone here plays RPG's at all, but to me Winterfell reminds me of the lands of Icewind Dale. Dark, icy, cold....very mysterious. Can't wait for the next episode !
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My few thoughts... have never read the books but I was really impressed with the premiere.

The production values are amazing. So far much better than Camelot. From the opening 10 minutes, you knew this show was a lot bigger than it's contemporaries; it felt like watching a movie, not a series.

Now admittedly I was a little confused with all the competing Houses and the various clans (heck, all the characters even). A lot of info for someone not accustomed to the books to absorb in a span of 40-45 minutes, but I think repeat viewings will benefit this kind of show.

As for the characters, Shaun Bean, amazing, as always. I know the Queen (whoever plays her character), she was in 300 I think but the acting was very good throughout. In particular, the dwarf was pure gold. He hit all his scenes out of the park as far as I'm concerned and in a span of only a few minutes of screen time has become my favorite character.

FYI, I don't know if anyone here plays RPG's at all, but to me Winterfell reminds me of the lands of Icewind Dale. Dark, icy, cold....very mysterious. Can't wait for the next episode !

Tyrion ( the little person ) will have lots of screen time to chew on. His character is probably my favorite. I've read Martin had Peter Dinklidge in mind when writing the books.
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Non-gratuitous nudity is the exception, not the rule.

This series will probably be exported and in certain other markets the demand for nudity is even greater.
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Game of Thrones

Better than expected... & I expected a LOT !!!

I did watch HBO's background a couple of times before the first episode...
IMO... it helped to paint a clearer picture.

This is a MUST SEE series... offering beautiful scenery along with great acting, and a compelling storyline !!!

Guess I'll be reading the books between seasons... needless to say I'm hooked.
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Tyrion ( the little person ) will have lots of screen time to chew on. His character is probably my favorite. I've read Martin had Peter Dinklidge in mind when writing the books.

I'm pretty sure everyone had Peter Dinklage in mind. Every thread that I saw on fan sites about actors to play the characters, Dinklage was always the number 1 actor picked for Tyrion.
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I'm not a big fan of the books for various reasons. However, the series looks good and has the budget to bring the world to light. There will be spectacle and entertainment and that's what is important. It's been years since I read and gave up on this series. I tried to pickup GoT again several times, but just couldn't invest enough interest for a reread. It may be easier for me to digest as a series.

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Non-gratuitous nudity is the exception, not the rule.

This series will probably be exported and in certain other markets the demand for nudity is even greater.

It's not the nudity that bothers me, it's the graphic sex. Even if it is in the books, it just isn't necessary on screen. It isn't even necessry in order to be "faithful to the books." You can inform the viewers that somebody is a sex-fiend without showing it. You can inform the viewers that somebody is raped without showing it. Thus, I don't really buy the "character devlopment" argument. Does it really enhance a character to know that, hey, he really likes it doggie-style!

Given the pattern of other HBO shows, it is clear that HBO is once again intentionally working a prurient angle into its show (and it may be why HBO was so interested in the first place). It's a shame, because it cheapens the story. I generally enjoy the HBO series (the John from Cincinatti flop aside), but I actually gave up on True Blood because it devolved into a porn. The writers cared more about about showing violent sex than they did about a decent story.
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It's not the nudity that bothers me, it's the graphic sex. Even if it is in the books, it just isn't necessary on screen. It isn't even necessry in order to be "faithful to the books." You can inform the viewers that somebody is a sex-fiend without showing it.

...or you can show it but in a less titillating way and get pretty much the same effect minus the soft-core factor. I enjoy nudity as much as anyone, but I wonder if having so much of it limits the audience as much as it expands it.

That being said, the two explicit scenes with Dany were important to the plot and belonged in the show. You can't really start to understand her relationship with her brother and with Drogo without them. So I didn't feel those were gratuitous, unlike maybe the scene with Tyrion in the brothel or some of the wedding dance stuff. My fear is that the impact of the scenes in which the graphic nudity is appropriate may be diminished by having so much of it elsewhere.

Ditto for the violence. Much of it was unnecessary - the violence in the book can be conveyed, even on-camera, without all the gore. HOWEVER, a scene like Ned's beheading of the deserted Black Brother was appropriate in all it's blood-spouting glory, because the viewer was meant to experience it viscerally along with Bran. I found much of the rest of the more explicit violence to be borderline distracting.

I personally am not offended by the inclusion of any amount of sex or violence, but, again, I wouldn't be surprised if it causes almost as many people to tune out as tune in. It gets people talking, though, and we all know there's no bad publicity.
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The books are visceral, the characters and their actions are extremely visceral. The series is doing a great job of setting the edge to what's suggested in the books. My objections to the books come from another direction entirely. If you're objecting to suggested sex and skin and realistic gore (for a very violent tale), then this probably isn't for you. I admire the showrunners for not compromising and putting a PG13 version together would not make this compelling viewing. Martin's intention was to stretch the sensibilities of the fantasy genre. Asking for a more sensitive approach is neutering the work.

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If you're objecting to suggested sex and skin and realistic gore (for a very violent tale), then this probably isn't for you.

Suggested? Try explicit. Again, I fail to understand why we have to see porn in order to appreciate the story or characters. You can suggest it and even show it in a more tastful way.

I agree that HBO may very well turn off just many viewers as it turns on (pun intended) with the prurient approach.

If you can honestly say you'd be comfortable watching this show with your mother or daughter, well, more power to you.
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Suggested? Try explicit. Again, I fail to understand why we have to see porn in order to appreciate the story or characters. You can suggest it and even show it in a more tastful way.

I agree that HBO may very well turn off just many viewers as it turns on (pun intended) with the prurient approach.

If you can honestly say you'd be comfortable watching this show with your mother or daughter, well, more power to you.

It's an R-rated tale depicted in an R-rated fashion. There are plenty of great films I would not be comfortable watching with a parent or child.
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