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Check out the set pics floating around the Internet. Some big, big changes from the books happening this season. Even though this is the spoilers allowed thread I'm afraid to discuss them as some folks freak out about that kind of thing. But let's just say who goes to Dorne (which has already been speculated here) is a change and what happens across the narrow sea is a BIG change.

Since "A Feast For Crows" departs from GRRM's normal chapter routine, I fully expect the upcoming season to either be a delight or a disappointment to the show fans .. keeping in mind that Book 4 Book primarily deals with Sam Tarley, Cersei, Brienne, Arya, Seastone Chair, Dorne , Jaime Lannister, Sansa, Victarion Greyjoy, Areo Hotah, Kings Moot ..etc .. the two most popular characters on the show are missing .. and HBO is likely going to change things up from the book fairly dramatically ..


Unless HBO decides to co-mingle books 4 and 5 ..


I'd meant to post a while back and forgot .. I re-read book 4 and 5 for the 3rd time after the last season, and a small amount of Book 4 was actually in the last season ..
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Since "A Feast For Crows" departs from GRRM's normal chapter routine, I fully expect the upcoming season to either be a delight or a disappointment to the show fans .. keeping in mind that Book 4 Book primarily deals with Sam Tarley, Cersei, Brienne, Arya, Seastone Chair, Dorne , Jaime Lannister, Sansa, Victarion Greyjoy, Areo Hotah, Kings Moot ..etc .. the two most popular characters on the show are missing .. and HBO is likely going to change things up from the book fairly dramatically ..


Unless HBO decides to co-mingle books 4 and 5 ..


I'd meant to post a while back and forgot .. I re-read book 4 and 5 for the 3rd time after the last season, and a small amount of Book 4 was actually in the last season ..
Books 4 and 5 cover the same timeline so I would expect some co-mingling. Bran's story is already pretty much done for Books 4 and 5 so don't expect to see him or Hodor! Hodor! Dany's story is pretty much stuck in Meereen other than the political problems and dragonquest she does. I don't know if the show will include the Dorne visitors or not. Not much happens with Jamie or Sansa. Cersei has a good story line as does Theon, Tyrion, Arya, Ramsey and Asha. Jon Snow has some stuff. So most of the stuff that occurs may be in Dorne which is a bit of a risky proposition to add new characters on a show like this. Frankly, this is where I thought GRRM started to go out of control.

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Books 4 and 5 cover the same timeline so I would expect some co-mingling. Bran's story is already pretty much done for Books 4 and 5 so don't expect to see him or Hodor! Hodor! Dany's story is pretty much stuck in Meereen other than the political problems and dragonquest she does. I don't know if the show will include the Dorne visitors or not. Not much happens with Jamie or Sansa. Cersei has a good story line as does Theon, Tyrion, Arya, Ramsey and Asha. Jon Snow has some stuff. So most of the stuff that occurs may be in Dorne which is a bit of a risky proposition to add new characters on a show like this. Frankly, this is where I thought GRRM started to go out of control.
After re-reading again, I still think Book 4 is the weakest by far .. Kings Moot was really pretty useless IMO .. the Dorne sideline with Myrcella useless, Brienne's journey was kinda interesting especially with Nimble Dick and Biter .. Jaime and Riverrun was OK ..


I'm guessing we'll see much more Dorne and the Faith Militant .. and the High Septon has to be the poor septon Brienne ran into on the Rosby Road ..


Like I said, I believe Season 5 will either delight fans or there could be some rumbling .. just depends on how much liberty David Benioff and D.B. Weiss decide to take ..

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This is the thread book readers use .. any and all discussion is allowed ..

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After re-reading again, I still think Book 4 is the weakest by far .. Kings Moot was really pretty useless IMO .. the Dorne sideline with Myrcella useless, Brienne's journey was kinda interesting especially with Nimble Dick and Biter .. Jaime and Riverrun was OK ..


I'm guessing we'll see much more Dorne and the Faith Militant .. and the High Septon has to be the poor septon Brienne ran into on the Rosby Road ..


Like I said, I believe Season 5 will either delight fans or there could be some rumbling .. just depends on how much liberty David Benioff and D.B. Weiss decide to take ..
If as I've heard GRRM is going to be less present so as to devote himself to the next book, there will be more influence from the two D's.

Supposedly 4 and 5 were written as one huge opus anyways, then split (more bifurcated) for publishing purposes, so merging them a la Godfather II in the redone version for TV may actually improve the whole thing.

The whole Dorne trio to Daenerys was weak in my opinion, so no great loss if that's voided.

Now Tyrion on his way there is filled with possibilities.
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If as I've heard GRRM is going to be less present so as to devote himself to the next book, there will be more influence from the two D's.

Supposedly 4 and 5 were written as one huge opus anyways, then split (more bifurcated) for publishing purposes, so merging them a la Godfather II in the redone version for TV may actually improve the whole thing.

The whole Dorne trio to Daenerys was weak in my opinion, so no great loss if that's voided.

Now Tyrion on his way there is filled with possibilities.
Yeah, GRRM is supposedly not going to be involved at all .. as well as a big cut back on his "touring" the Conventions and what not .. one of the problems with Book 6 is GRRM basking in his success and refusing to write a word unless he was at home in Santa Fe ..


Large portions of Book 4 could get skipped, IMO .. but the problem with that is how far do they go into Book 5 .. ?? Even when GRRM finishes Book 6, it still has to be edited .. and he's stated he's shooting for an end of 2015 Book 6 finish .. then send it in for editing ..


Yes, Tyrions Journey should be very, very interesting ..

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Yeah, GRRM is supposedly not going to be involved at all .. as well as a big cut back on his "touring" the Conventions and what not .. one of the problems with Book 6 is GRRM basking in his success and refusing to write a word unless he was at home in Santa Fe ..


Large portions of Book 4 could get skipped, IMO .. but the problem with that is how far do they go into Book 5 .. ?? Even when GRRM finishes Book 6, it still has to be edited .. and he's stated he's shooting for an end of 2015 Book 6 finish .. then send it in for editing ..


Yes, Tyrions Journey should be very, very interesting ..
Well, we're supposedly slated for seven seasons... we're going into season 5, so no way they can cover 4 + 5 + 6 and possibly 7th books at 10 episodes per season during that time.

Maybe HBO does the seven seasons and then "TADA!!!" a GoT finale as a four hour motion picture released on their online subscription service in 2017 ... ! <-- pure rumormongering here, absolutely no knowledge being used.
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Well, we're supposedly slated for seven seasons... we're going into season 5, so no way they can cover 4 + 5 + 6 and possibly 7th books at 10 episodes per season during that time.

Maybe HBO does the seven seasons and then "TADA!!!" a GoT finale as a four hour motion picture released on their online subscription service in 2017 ... ! <-- pure rumormongering here, absolutely no knowledge being used.
If I were a betting man, I'd bet HBO will refuse to budge from 7 seasons .. at $60 million a Season average cost, with no real bump in subscribers and the most pirated show on TV, the suits at HBO are not going to add any additional seasons .. Movie .. ?? Maybe a possibility, who knows, but GRRM is the drag here .. problem being he keeps trying to top himself, the timeframe is already out so long .. I just hope we don't end up in a scenario where D&D decide to work into material that has yet to come to print based on the outline GRRM gave them .. as a reader, that would just plain suck ..

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If I were a betting man, I'd bet HBO will refuse to budge from 7 seasons .. at $60 million a Season average cost, with no real bump in subscribers and the most pirated show on TV, the suits at HBO are not going to add any additional seasons .. Movie .. ?? Maybe a possibility, who knows, but GRRM is the drag here .. problem being he keeps trying to top himself, the timeframe is already out so long .. I just hope we don't end up in a scenario where D&D decide to work into material that has yet to come to print based on the outline GRRM gave them .. as a reader, that would just plain suck ..
I agree that HBO will most likely stick to the 7 seasons, but I think its mainly because the story will have run its course. HBO gained 2 million subscribers in 2013 when overall cable subscriptions fell. Their other highly rated show, True Blood saw its numbers drop by almost a million viewers (lowest since 2008). I think its pretty clear that Game of Thrones is providing a bump or at the very least, preventing a drop in subscriber numbers.

The best premium shows will always have the highest piracy rate and HBO knows there is nothing they can do about that.

Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes earlier this year ...

“Basically, we’ve been dealing with this issue for years with HBO, literally 20, 30 years, where people have always been running wires down on the back of apartment buildings and sharing with their neighbors,” he said. “Our experience is, it all leads to more penetration, more paying subs, more health for HBO, less reliance on having to do paid advertising… If you go around the world, I think you’re right, Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in the world. Well, you know, that’s better than an Emmy.”
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It's 2 seasons or 3 depending on how much of book 4 and 5 need to be blended to have a TV series time line. I think take the meat from 4 and the first 2/3's 5 for season 5 then what is left for 6. Without book 6 it's just sort of a roll of the dice to guess at whats coming, bet that the producers have a good idea about book 6. I am half way through book 5 on a not stop reread of Song of Ice and Fire and thinking that I must have missed a chapter here and there using a Kindle, and has they say there is more to be revealed.
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Sorry, but that's going to happen. Next season will be five, so they're *going* to finish the series before his final book gets done, just no way around that. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished the series before Winds of Winter comes out.

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Sorry, but that's going to happen. Next season will be five, so they're *going* to finish the series before his final book gets done, just no way around that. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished the series before Winds of Winter comes out.
This coming season starts with Book 4, in fact, a few Book 4 bits were in last season, but not much .. and, as you know, Book 4 and 5 were split up much differently than the past ..


Problem is, although GRRM promised to stay off the set and get back to work, he's back to the talk show circuit and what not now .. the man cannot stay away from the spotlight .. and that's the biggest problem of all .. still an end of 2015 projection for Book 6 ..

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Well said, I completely agree.

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Problem is, although GRRM promised to stay off the set and get back to work, he's back to the talk show circuit and what not now .. the man cannot stay away from the spotlight .. and that's the biggest problem of all .. still an end of 2015 projection for Book 6 ..

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I'm about 2/3rds of the way through Book 5 now (having read part of Book 4 a long time ago and gave up due to boredom) and so far it seems abundantly clear that this book can easily fit into half of a season. This upcoming season will cover the rest of books 4 & 5, with possibly some book 6 material.
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