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To me, the biggest change that the show is making versus the books is how they are setting the entire world/story as the battle between Littlefinger, who wants ever more chaos, versus Varys, who wants more order.


This is not so in the books. Yes, the book Littlefinger wants more chaos as well, but Varys is not really an adversary, at least not yet.


Varys becoming the central character on the show is definitely a huge change from the book.
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Books 1 and 2 were a season each. Book 3 was 2 seasons. Books 4 and 5 have a shared time line until that last third of book 5 with all plot lines moving forward together.
The TV show I think will be 2 seasons with the point of view being time lined to gether and with out regard to the book the event takes place in until that last third or so of season 6. Books 4 & 5 both have cliffhangers that need a new book or 2 to finish the thing.
Book 3 didn't quite take 2 seasons. There was actually a good chunk of books 4 and 5 in the last 2 seasons, so they are already ahead of the game there, add in the fact that there is a lot that could be condensed from those books, and I don't see them taking 2 seasons. Sansa is already beyond her book 5 storyline (though whether or not her story this season is going to be winds of winter material or something else, such as a replacement for Lady Stoneheart in some capacity, I don't know.). Of course, Jon still has a little bit of book 3 left in his story. From the previews, it looks like Tyrion might be further along than the end of book 5 (it's definitely changed some). I could see some parts from the books going to late in season 6, Jon in particular, but other parts of the story will be moving ahead further. I can definitely see 7 seasons total.

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Varys becoming the central character on the show is definitely a huge change from the book.
After Varys's part in Tyrion's escape and Tywin's murder, he essentially disappears, reappearing in "A Dance with Dragons" .. watching this weeks episode made me wonder if Vary's will join Tyrion on the voyage to Volantis .. or maybe they will change it to just a Meereen voyage .. ??

.. and, considering Aegon Targaryen / Young Griff was a fairly major player, I wonder what part he may have this season .. if any ..


Things just look like this season may be the most major departure from the books we've seen yet ..

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To me, the biggest change that the show is making versus the books is how they are setting the entire world/story as the battle between Littlefinger, who wants ever more chaos, versus Varys, who wants more order.


This is not so in the books. Yes, the book Littlefinger wants more chaos as well, but Varys is not really an adversary, at least not yet.


Varys becoming the central character on the show is definitely a huge change from the book.
While I enjoy their interplay, remember the object lesson Cersei gave Littlefinger on power when he tried to blackmail her with her children's origin.

Suddenly ordering his death and changing her mind just before it happened is a sure way to get the attention of a puppet master - either Littlefinger or Varys. I think Varys is much better at it because he recognizes this.

Now she has her flaws and all, but that was a straight show of major c0j0nes.
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This is making more and more sense to me (and really interesting)...

The show is now setting up the end stage where you have a one-on-one chess match (the ultimate Game of Thrones). On one side, you have Littlefinger who wants more and more chaos. On the other side, you have Varys who wants to restore order.

Even more interesting parallel to chess, each player is relying on their queen pieces. Varys is trying to restore order by using Danearys, who must control the uncontrollable (chaos) - Dragons - if she is to become a queen. Littlefinger is relying on Sansa, who must overcome Stark's natural tendency to be good and faithful (orderly?) to restore her family's claims by becoming darker and darker.

I am guessing this is ultimately where the books are going as well, but the TV show is now well ahead in this end-game.
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Things just look like this season may be the most major departure from the books we've seen yet ..
We've been told about this potential many times, so I embrace the show. Why not? The source material
is so good, it can handle this "Adaptation" and still play well.
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Book 3 didn't quite take 2 seasons. There was actually a good chunk of books 4 and 5 in the last 2 seasons, so they are already ahead of the game there, add in the fact that there is a lot that could be condensed from those books, and I don't see them taking 2 seasons. Sansa is already beyond her book 5 storyline (though whether or not her story this season is going to be winds of winter material or something else, such as a replacement for Lady Stoneheart in some capacity, I don't know.). Of course, Jon still has a little bit of book 3 left in his story. From the previews, it looks like Tyrion might be further along than the end of book 5 (it's definitely changed some). I could see some parts from the books going to late in season 6, Jon in particular, but other parts of the story will be moving ahead further. I can definitely see 7 seasons total.
Yes that is right, 7 seasons for what is in print now. I find the most intriguing point of view characters to be the Starks. In book 3, the young wolf is on the march to the twine tower's with his Lords of the North, he and they changed Jon's name from Snow to Stark to have a future heir to Winterfell and the Kings of the North. The document signed by them was sent someplace??. I wonder how that plays out at some point in the next 2 books. Just what is Arya up to, after all she is the only point of view character that's in all 5 books. And so it goes, as for characters like Littlefinger and/or Varys are needed parts for the story but not the story's point.
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Yes that is right, 7 seasons for what is in print now. I find the most intriguing point of view characters to be the Starks. In book 3, the young wolf is on the march to the twine tower's with his Lords of the North, he and they changed Jon's name from Snow to Stark to have a future heir to Winterfell and the Kings of the North. The document signed by them was sent someplace??. I wonder how that plays out at some point in the next 2 books. Just what is Arya up to, after all she is the only point of view character that's in all 5 books. And so it goes, as for characters like Littlefinger and/or Varys are needed parts for the story but not the story's point.
I meant 7 seasons total. Even if they end up doing 8 seasons, they'll definitely be well beyond book 5 by the end of season 6.

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I meant 7 seasons total. Even if they end up doing 8 seasons, they'll definitely be well beyond book 5 by the end of season 6.
I am looking forward to the last 2 books to come. The show is making big money and I bet the last 2 books will to
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I think the producers probably already laid out a timeline with George R.R. - given the way he works, probably only one book if any will be written before the show is done.
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I think the producers probably already laid out a timeline with George R.R. - given the way he works, probably only one book if any will be written before the show is done.
This is exactly correct .. B&W have a complete set of GRRM notes outlining the story to the end .. it's one of the reasons they have gone on record stating 7 seasons have already been mapped out and they know the ending ..


GRRM : He thinks he needs to top himself with each new book, thus prolonging the writing process and creating ever longer books filled with incomplete bits .. He will only write in his Office .. He spends way too much time on the road at Conventions, Talk Shows, Blogging, etc ... He is 66 Years Old and not in the best of health .. and, he has agreed to develop another HBO show called "Captain Cosmos"..


What's likely to happen is a "The Wheel of Time" scenario / Robert Jordan .. there are quite a few similarities ..

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This is exactly correct .. B&W have a complete set of GRRM notes outlining the story to the end .. it's one of the reasons they have gone on record stating 7 seasons have already been mapped out and they know the ending ..


GRRM : He thinks he needs to top himself with each new book, thus prolonging the writing process and creating ever longer books filled with incomplete bits .. He will only write in his Office .. He spends way too much time on the road at Conventions, Talk Shows, Blogging, etc ... He is 66 Years Old and not in the best of health .. and, he has agreed to develop another HBO show called "Captain Cosmos"..


What's likely to happen is a "The Wheel of Time" scenario / Robert Jordan .. there are quite a few similarities ..
I was thinking that, but hopeful that both the series and the books finish well. And that he's around for quite a bit of time (I know, hopeful - but he's given us a great world).

In my view, the producers have done well to stay within the lines of the books, some things are different but haven't detracted from the whole thing.
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Wow Only 3 things in the entire show actually happened in the books: Arya goes to the House of Black and White, Jon Snow gets offered Winterfell by Stanis and Jon Snow gets elected leader of the Night's Watch.

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Wow... I don't know what to say. Jaime is going to Dorne? That means he is going to be in great danger. I thought he was becoming more and more of a responsible ruler in the book's plot. This is a definitely a curve ball.Kevan going back to Casterly Rock is consistent with the book, but you are right. The show is going off the rails.
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Wow... I don't know what to say. Jaime is going to Dorne? That means he is going to be in great danger. I thought he was becoming more and more of a responsible ruler in the book's plot. This is a definitely a curve ball.Kevan going back to Casterly Rock is consistent with the book, but you are right. The show is going off the rails.
Or just switching tracks ???

The absence of the Arianne Martel story (with her doting whitecloak knight Arys Oakheart) means that you need some other story to put pressure on Dorne to turn over an uninjured Myrcella.

In the books, she's seriously injured by Gerold Dayne and Balon Swann from the Kingsguard has been dispatched to bring her home. In the show, it seems that either Jaime, Bron or both will go to bring her home.

Not that different, but does cut out the romantic thread of Arianne, which they probably thought was unproductive, since the point is the conflict over Myrcella.
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Cool, I like the Jaime and Bronn characters, 180 apart yet just the same, both liked the half man. Better having Jaime running around Dorne then lost in the Riverlands. The sand snacks my prove to be a real challenge for Jaime, after all he is still bonded to Cersei by love and as lover.
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This is exactly correct .. B&W have a complete set of GRRM notes outlining the story to the end .. it's one of the reasons they have gone on record stating 7 seasons have already been mapped out and they know the ending ..


GRRM : He thinks he needs to top himself with each new book, thus prolonging the writing process and creating ever longer books filled with incomplete bits .. He will only write in his Office .. He spends way too much time on the road at Conventions, Talk Shows, Blogging, etc ... He is 66 Years Old and not in the best of health .. and, he has agreed to develop another HBO show called "Captain Cosmos"..


What's likely to happen is a "The Wheel of Time" scenario / Robert Jordan .. there are quite a few similarities ..

Perhaps some of it has already happened.... Martin gives the outline of the plot and he has someone else writes the ending "books" for him. Just in this case, the writers are HBO's screenwriters. He gets the money, fame, and doesn't have to do any pesky bookwriting. Seems like a good deal.
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Perhaps some of it has already happened.... Martin gives the outline of the plot and he has someone else writes the ending "books" for him. Just in this case, the writers are HBO's screenwriters. He gets the money, fame, and doesn't have to do any pesky bookwriting. Seems like a good deal.
I don't know on the books, but he has given the show producers pretty much a broad brush .. and as evidenced by the way Season 5 is going, they are going to use it ..

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Cool, I like the Jaime and Bronn characters, 180 apart yet just the same, both liked the half man. Better having Jaime running around Dorne then lost in the Riverlands. The sand snacks my prove to be a real challenge for Jaime, after all he is still bonded to Cersei by love and as lover.
I know it's a typo, but I got a chuckle out of "sand snacks" ..
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Wow Only 3 things in the entire show actually happened in the books: Arya goes to the House of Black and White, Jon Snow gets offered Winterfell by Stanis and Jon Snow gets elected leader of the Night's Watch.

The rest is off the map.
And you know what? At this moment, the show is making me much happier than anything in books 4 or 5 ever did.

A near miss encounter becomes an actual encounter, and Brienne gets something to do with an actual point.

Jaime being involved in a major storyline instead of wandering around the Riverlands acting as janitor and mostly moping.

Sansa and Littlefinger getting involved with another major plot instead of standing around in the Vale.

Streamlining the Night's Watch election.

Something, anything, actually happens in Mereen, and we get a bonus Drogon sighting. (OMG he is BIG.)

Jaqen H'gar! I almost stood up and cheered. And good on them for keeping that a closely held secret, it was worth it.
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And you know what? At this moment, the show is making me much happier than anything in books 4 or 5 ever did.

A near miss encounter becomes an actual encounter, and Brienne gets something to do with an actual point.

Jaime being involved in a major storyline instead of wandering around the Riverlands acting as janitor and mostly moping.

Sansa and Littlefinger getting involved with another major plot instead of standing around in the Vale.

Streamlining the Night's Watch election.

Something, anything, actually happens in Mereen, and we get a bonus Drogon sighting. (OMG he is BIG.)

Jaqen H'gar! I almost stood up and cheered. And good on them for keeping that a closely held secret, it was worth it.
Agree 100% .. the editing / condensing / re-arranging / changing has been great .. I never thought I'd say it, but so much better than Book 4 / 5 ..

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I also really liked the storytelling in this week's episode. The changes and additions Benioff & Weiss have made to the books have been an improvement, it seems to me. Boy, it's a high wire act, though.
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I will say this. Bronn really has no more important role in the books (at least not so far). We all know that some blood will be shed in Dorne and it ain't gonna be Jaime (at least not mortally).
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I will say this. Bronn really has no more important role in the books (at least not so far). We all know that some blood will be shed in Dorne and it ain't gonna be Jaime (at least not mortally).

At this point, I'm not even gonna guess what direction things go book vs show ..
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Yes, I agree that they are improving the story flow, compared to the books at this stage.

P.S. Loved that throat warble type sound from Drogon. They have done a great job of actualizing the dragons. I like too, how they have that fish style movement of their spines/fins, or whatever those would be called on a dragon
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