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RetroTV Launches In HD In Miami

TVNewsCheck, Aug 16 2010, 12:49 PM ET

On Friday, Aug. 20, RetroTV will become available to more than 4 million Florida viewers with a new high-definition service.

RTV HD will be carried by independents WHDT-CA Miami (DMA 17) and by WHDT Stuart (West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce, DMA 38) on the stations' primary channels. Both stations are owned by G√ľnter Marksteiner.

"As the first RTV HD affiliate, WHDT viewers can watch their favorite old TV shows in studio-grade quality direct from the master archives of RTV," Marksteiner said.

RTV's Neal Ardman added: "We are thrilled to both return to West Palm Beach. Now even more Floridians will be able to watch RTV. We couldn't be happier about launching our first HD feed, it is the beginning of a new era for RTV," he added.

RTV provides each of its affiliate a customized feed with classic hit shows, in addition to local programming including news, weather and sports.

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So what is the sub channel number of RTV(SD and HD)? How Come my local Comcast system doesn't carry RTV when others do, and it carries every other local sub channel?
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You would have to talk to your Comcast to find out why. Mine doesn't offer KMCI in HD yet. Theirs no RTV in KC area yet.
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RTN launched its RTV HD service at 10 pm tonight in South Florida. Local Miami station WHDT MIAMI (9.1) is carrying the feed, which tonight is primarily a test assortment of RTV fare.

In the West Palm Beach market, RTV HD affiliate WHDT Stuart is carried on: AT&T channels 9 (SD), 1009 (HD); DIRECTV channel 44 (SD) [soon to be moved to channel 9]; COMCAST channels 9.1 (QAM), 17 (SD), 438 (HD).

The regular schedule will begin this weekend. A full program grid can be downloaded by visiting < www.x2c.us > "WHDT World Television Service".

30 hours of original HD content is part of the programming. This includes hunting, fishing, boating, diving, racing shows produced in HD 720p/60, plus nationally syndicated first-run HD programs such as "Heartland".

Retro shows are being aired in "component video" quality direct from the master tape archives. RTN is using the bandwidth offered by the HD transport stream to deliver what was formerly "studio grade" to viewer's home screens. The video images appear without side bars to avoid screen "burn-out" through use of a mathematically-correct non-linear expansion algorithm that duplicates the human vision off-axis correction system. Of course some material from 16mm film stock cannot be fully restored without creating "animation" artifacts so these shows appear closer to the degraded originals.

If you liked the old shows when they aired in NTSC, then you should like them again.
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You won't find support on these forums for stretching SD content. We hated it back when ESPN HD first launched (thankfully they listened to their viewers and did away with it), we hate the linear stretch on A&E and History HD, and we double plus hate the fish-eye stretch used by TNT, TBS, Food Network, and apparently, RTV.
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I was interested in RTV... until I heard the word stretch mode. Of course as long as its just stretching the 4x3 stuff... I can at least pillarbox it on my set. I still don't like the stretching regardless.

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I guess we can call it "stretrovision".
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RTN launched its RTV HD service at 10 pm tonight in South Florida. Local Miami station WHDT MIAMI (9.1) is carrying the feed, which tonight is primarily a test assortment of RTV fare.

In the West Palm Beach market, RTV HD affiliate WHDT Stuart is carried on: AT&T channels 9 (SD), 1009 (HD); DIRECTV channel 44 (SD) [soon to be moved to channel 9]; COMCAST channels 9.1 (QAM), 17 (SD), 438 (HD).

The regular schedule will begin this weekend. A full program grid can be downloaded by visiting < www.x2c.us > "WHDT World Television Service".

30 hours of original HD content is part of the programming. This includes hunting, fishing, boating, diving, racing shows produced in HD 720p/60, plus nationally syndicated first-run HD programs such as "Heartland".

Retro shows are being aired in "component video" quality direct from the master tape archives. RTN is using the bandwidth offered by the HD transport stream to deliver what was formerly "studio grade" to viewer's home screens. The video images appear without side bars to avoid screen "burn-out" through use of a mathematically-correct non-linear expansion algorithm that duplicates the human vision off-axis correction system. Of course some material from 16mm film stock cannot be fully restored without creating "animation" artifacts so these shows appear closer to the degraded originals.

If you liked the old shows when they aired in NTSC, then you should like them again.

I've been watching RTN for over a year in Detroit, on a subchannel of WXYZ-DT, and have enjoyed it. I would not watch the same content stretched and distorted.

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I support any channel that shows mostly classic television shows.There has always been a great demand for these older tv shows.So many people of all ages both love and view them.----However I agree with the folks that are against the strech mode or whatever other terms apply.It just distorts the picture.If RTV wants to also have a HD Channel,they should just air the tv shows in their original format,but in high definition,like Hallmark does.
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The channel here that I think it's going to be on has about 4, 480i subchannels, so I'm fully expecting it to not look very good at all.

If, by chance, it ends up as a subchannel of a different, main, HD channel instead, stretch mode or not, I can guarantee that I'll never watch it at all (and probably will barely ever watch the main channel anymore, either, just like with ABC and Live Well now).
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RTN is using the bandwidth offered by the HD transport stream to deliver what was formerly "studio grade" to viewer's home screens. The video images appear without side bars to avoid screen "burn-out" through use of a mathematically-correct non-linear expansion algorithm that duplicates the human vision off-axis correction system. Of course some material from 16mm film stock cannot be fully restored without creating "animation" artifacts so these shows appear closer to the degraded originals.

What a terrible shame. Here is a great opportunity to see this programming without the mess caused by making copies of copies and poor analog cable delivery (which is how folks my age saw these shows in the first place), and it's all ruined by using an incorrect aspect ratio.

I'll never understand why any programmer would think using an incorrect aspect ratio is OK. Our televisions are capable of stretching material after it's been delivered, and without ruining the experience for other viewers.
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30 hours of original HD content is part of the programming. This includes hunting, fishing, boating, diving, racing shows produced in HD 720p/60, plus nationally syndicated first-run HD programs such as "Heartland".

RTV should not air any original content.Don't make the mistake TVLand did.TVLand ruined their station by airing reality junk,newer shows full of commercials etc..They literally have become just another station hardly anyone views on a regular basis. But hey TVLand are run by Viacom,and Viacom has ruined about every station they own,and all Viacom stations really have no business being on the air at all anymore.
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If they use a linear stretch mode, many digital TV's can overcome that. But if it's that "funhouse mirror" stretch mode, it's hopelessly ruined beyond repair.
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I only know of retro shows on RTV and none of this new programming. I generally like it although my BHN channel guide does not list specific episodes.

I cannot imagine how bad those shows will look though in stretchovision which should be banned as it looks so horrible. Thank goodness I did not have HDTV when ESPN did it. Sports in stretch look horrible.

It would be nice if This TV (Another OTA channel) went HD.


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It would be nice if This TV (Another OTA channel) went HD.

Not here, if they intended to keep it on the same frequency.

The main channel is HD, and it has 4 other, 480i subchannels (including ThisTV).

I don't watch that much on the main channel - except local, HD sports (specifically Chicago White Sox games) - and the PQ for that has already gone downhill past the point of tolerability for me.
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If they use a linear stretch mode, many digital TV's can overcome that. But if it's that "funhouse mirror" stretch mode, it's hopelessly ruined beyond repair.

Yep.

At the very least, I could watch it on my SD set via the secondary output of my DVR. Since the DVR is set to HD mode, 16x9 stuff gets horizontally squashed on that set, unless I change modes.

As a result, a linearly stretched image would appear normal on the SD set.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't fix a non-linear stretch.


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RTV in my town is on a low power analog channel and the power of the channel is so low the picture is full of static. But that is fine because I have my on RTV on DVD. These are some of the complete series I own on DVD.

The Incredible Hulk
Airwolf
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
The Dukes of Hazzard
Knight Rider
The Greatest American Hero
Sledge Hammer
I Dream of Jeannie
Gilligan's Island
Hogan's Heroes
Sanford and Son
The Honeymooners

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The stretch mode is a mistake that I hope that WHDT-DT will reconsider.

If they're interested in avoiding thick pillar box bars on the side, they should consider instead the approach that was used when "Hogan's Heroes" aired on HDNet -- an expansion of the image that shrunk (but didn't completely eliminate) the side bars. Information on the top and bottom of the screen that was outside the original "TV safe area" was cropped off, but the image was not otherwise distorted, and the result was very viewable.

In fact, I'll sometimes use a similar approach when watching old shows on DVD, zooming to somewhere around a 14:9 aspect ratio.
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The channel here that I think it's going to be on has about 4, 480i subchannels, so I'm fully expecting it to not look very good at all.

If, by chance, it ends up as a subchannel of a different, main, HD channel instead, stretch mode or not, I can guarantee that I'll never watch it at all (and probably will barely ever watch the main channel anymore, either, just like with ABC and Live Well now).

And that's another problem for RTN HD. In most cases, they are a SD subchannel of a Big 4 affiliate station; the advantage of more bandwidth is typically wasted, aside from the distorted images.

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Mark, any time frame when you will go to full power? I live in Davie. Also work at WSVN and currently moving our transmitter to WPLGs new tower.
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I don't know if WHDT is aware of it or not, but your broadcast is not being received correctly. There is lots of tiling, audio breaking up, etc. It is impossible to watch a show. This morning when I left for work the picture was completely frozen. This happened a few weeks ago and I called COMCAST. They were aware of it and contacted WHDT. Someone worked on it because it was off the air for 3 or 4 days. After it came back on, the picture was great. Now it is worse than ever. Can anyone do anything about this?
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I don't know if WHDT is aware of it or not, but your broadcast is not being received correctly. There is lots of tiling, audio breaking up, etc. It is impossible to watch a show. This morning when I left for work the picture was completely frozen. This happened a few weeks ago and I called COMCAST. They were aware of it and contacted WHDT. Someone worked on it because it was off the air for 3 or 4 days. After it came back on, the picture was great. Now it is worse than ever. Can anyone do anything about this?
Unlike many other networks, I have no knowledge of anyone from RTV reading here at AVS. If I were you, I'd call Comcast again, and also WHDT during business hours.

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I just hope they leave the SD signal alone since that is what most people get, me included, and don't start sending out some horrible letterbox version of their 16:9 stretched crap. Why stations like A&E, History, TBS and TNT think stretching is acceptable boggles my mind.
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Thanks for your response. I found a phone number for WHDT and called them. I got a recording that said the number doesn't accept incoming calls. Last night, when I got home from work, the picture was still frozen on the same picture that was on when I left for work. However, this morning, everything seemed to be okay. We will see how long it lasts.
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So far so good with the picture on WHDT. Now if they could make sure Comcast gets the correct show name for the on-screen programming guide, it would be great. Most of the time, the show named on the programming guide is not what you will see.
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I guess we can call it "stretrovision".

I thought I copyrighted that term years ago.

Either way, I still haven't seen a sub-channel that even looks half way decent with this being the 2nd worst (to NBC's sports sub-channel) in my area.

Abundant OTA television is what makes this country different from all others. Lets keep it this way.
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