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My question is why didn't Garreth and the termite gang continue eating Bob, instead of returning him. Go to the church and set fire to it, then kill or capture the exiting members of Ricks gang as they fled the fire and smoke. Makes a whole lot more tactical sense than what they did?

I liked the episode, but........
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My question is why didn't Garreth and the termite gang continue eating Bob, instead of returning him. Go to the church and set for to it, then kill or capture the exiting members of Ricks gang as they fled the fire and smoke. Makes a whole lot more tactical sense than what they did?

I liked the episode, but........
They waited until most of the group left(at least they thought they left) before attacking the church. That made tactical sense. And that was the reason for returning Bob.
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My question is why didn't Garreth and the termite gang continue eating Bob, instead of returning him. Go to the church and set for to it, then kill or capture the exiting members of Ricks gang as they fled the fire and smoke. Makes a whole lot more tactical sense than what they did?
For once Rick's group severely outgunned the bad guys, so the Termites knew they had to split them up and knew Bob would be able to tell Rick where he had been kept.

There's no way of knowing if Gareth could get close enough to set the place on fire. It would take a while for the church to burn.

I'm more surprised Rick didn't have a lookout in the spire.
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Huh? Didn't he explain that the he locked up the church at night and in the morning when his parishioners came knocking for help he wouldn't unlock the doors?

They were the ones who carved the message. The same people who created the scratch marks as they tried to break in and escape the zombies.
I couldn't see if there were any titanium blast shutters protecting the windows from being broken by the church goers that wanted desperately to get into the church at the start of the crisis.

Don't worry, I didn't let that interfere with my enjoyment of the episode. Just thought it was funny that his congregation couldn't get into any of the windows...on a one story building.

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I couldn't see if there were any titanium blast shutters protecting the windows from being broken by the church goers that wanted desperately to get into the church at the start of the crisis.
The church definitely has shutters because you can see them on the inside. Even locked wooden shutters would be hard to break in with just your hands and no tools. Especially if you were old.

They obviously didn't go prepared to break in because they never figured their priest would be a cowardy food hoarder.


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For once Rick's group severely outgunned the bad guys, so the Termites knew they had to split them up and knew Bob would be able to tell Rick where he had been kept.

There's no way of knowing if Gareth could get close enough to set the place on fire. It would take a while for the church to burn.

I'm more surprised Rick didn't have a lookout in the spire.
They had time to drop off Bob, and draw a big A on the side of the church (in memory of terminus). They could easily have set it on fire instead in that time. Then hide in the woods surrounding the chapel and off'ed Ricks gang as they came out of the church one by one, confused by the smoke and fire.
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They had time to drop off Bob, and draw a big A on the side of the church (in memory of terminus). They could easily have set it on fire instead in that time. Then hide in the woods surrounding the chapel and off'ed Ricks gang as they came out of the church one by one, confused by the smoke and fire.
Possibly, but Gareth also walked in the front door like the place was empty and didn't keep a lookout for Rick coming back either, so it makes a change for Rick not to be the most stupid person in the room.

If some of Rick's group had been behind the altar pointing at the door the remainder could have killed everyone who walked in. Another missed tactical opportunity there.

It's still not that easy to burn a building without gasoline though and if the motivation was to capture most of them alive then a big shootout wasn't going to be the best option.



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I thought it was one of the better episodes. I liked the theme (four walls and a roof) and the fact that they took care of the Hunters in a savage way. Gareth was a bit too too with his talking so was a never-ending monologuing villain. I also liked the infighting with the groups with Glen and others breaking in and stopping violence and telling Rick that it wasn't up to him. Gabriel's story is a little meh.

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I think the termites were motivated by revenge to continue to attack Ricks big group with only five or six attackers. (Gareth's brother and mother were killed by Ricks group so that is significant motivation right there) Gareth knew they were well armed, he also had to know they'd like to kill him if they could. The whole concept of dropping Bob off makes 0 sense to me. You alert Ricks group to your presence, you tick them off further, and you elevate hostilities at first sight even more. (If that is even possible). Bob would have fed them for quite a while. Meanwhile, they could have scoped out the church over a couple weeks - lessening their disadvantage in initial numbers against Ricks group. Gareth would have to be smarter than he played that scenario to have run terminus, as effectively as he did.

I also think that church would go up in flames like a pile of old dry sticks if exposed to flame. A torch, and some alcohol... That's all she wrote.

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I also think that church would go up in flames like a pile of old dry sticks if exposed to flame. A torch, and some alcohol... That's all she wrote.
Did they have any alcohol? That would work but I didn't see them with any.

Of course given they were homeless since Terminus went up on flames, maybe they wanted the church for a base while they ate the prisoners.


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The whole concept of dropping Bob off makes 0 sense to me.
The idea was (I think someone already said this above) that Bob would tell Rick where Gareth and company were and Rick's group would come after them. Conveniently, well, they can write the show any way they want, they did exactly that, or so Gareth thought.

What if Gareth's group stayed at the school ? Would Rick's group have went there and fought them ? Seems as though they wouldn't as they were counting on Gareth's group to come to the church....
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The idea was (I think someone already said this above) that Bob would tell Rick where Gareth and company were and Rick's group would come after them. Conveniently, well, they can write the show any way they want, they did exactly that, or so Gareth thought.

What if Gareth's group stayed at the school ? Would Rick's group have went there and fought them ? Seems as though they wouldn't as they were counting on Gareth's group to come to the church....
Gareth has a big ego and want to taunt Ric and the group.
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So, Gabriel locked the doors....of a one story church...that has large windows on both sides...that no one could break and climb into...but had enough time....after escaping a Walker herd...to come back...and carve "you'll burn for this", on the side of the wall?

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He clearly said he locked up the church and he even pointed out how they tried to break the shutters to get in but couldn't. So he obviously had the windows locked up too.

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A fire would have alerted Rick's group to return; they were only a 10 minute walk away. The Terminans could not eat any more of Bob's tainted meat, fully cooked or not. You can't cook and safely eat any meat that has gone bad in your fridge, let alone the meat of a bite victim.
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A fire would have alerted Rick's group to return; they were only a 10 minute walk away. The Terminans could not eat any more of Bob's tainted meat, fully cooked or not. You can't cook and safely eat any meat that has gone bad in your fridge, let alone the meat of a bite victim.

The fire suggestion was at return visit to the church after snatching Bob and realizing it was Rick's group at the church. I was saying tactically - they could have set fire to the church, instead of dropping off Bob and whistling -- this was before Rick's team was even aware of their presence, or knew what happened to Bob. Rick and his crew wouldn't have known the church was going to be set on fire - because they didn't eeven know the group was there dropping off Bob and writing a big A on the side of the church until Gareth's team whistled to draw their attention.

And we don't know if Bob's meat was bad to eat when cooked. The show doesn't go there, neither does the comic. Gareth says it's okay beause it's cooked, but they don't really know.

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The fire suggestion was at return visit to the church after snatching Bob and realizing it was Rick's group at the church. I was saying tactically - they could have set fire to the church, instead of dropping off Bob and whistling -- this was before Rick's team was even aware of their presence, or knew what happened to Bob. Rick and his crew wouldn't have known the church was going to be set on fire - because they didn't eeven know the group was there dropping off Bob and writing a big A on the side of the church until Gareth's team whistled to draw their attention.

And we don't know if Bob's meat was bad to eat when cooked. The show doesn't go there, neither does the comic. Gareth says it's okay beause it's cooked, but they don't really know.
But if Gareth sets the church on fire and Rick's posse burn to a crisp, they will not taste very good. Everyone knows that!
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And we don't know if Bob's meat was bad to eat when cooked. The show doesn't go there, neither does the comic. Gareth says it's okay beause it's cooked, but they don't really know.
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Their own reactions show they never tried that, or they wouldn't have panicked.
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I think it was on Talking Dead, they explained the termites intention was to take Bob back, to keep the group scared.


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Anyone thing Eugene is lying about having or knowing of a cure?
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Eh? Have you read this thread?

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Easier to ask the reverse.

Didn't start from the beginning. Only found this thread a couple days ago.
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Didn't start from the beginning. Only found this thread a couple days ago.
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The others certainly acted very repulsed when Bob told them/showed them his wound but Gareth immediately yelled that it's okay since they cooked it (him). Certainly sounds like it's something they've dealt with before and know that it's okay.

Maggie presumes that Beth is dead.
To me it appeared Gareth was trying to convince himself as much as the others.

I don't know about Maggie, but no way would I assume my sibling was dead and agree to go to Washington. I'd like to help stop the plague, but my brother or sister first. Especially when there are others who could go. And Tripley if my dad had been murdered recently.

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To me it appeared Gareth was trying to convince himself as much as the others.

I don't know about Maggie, but no way would I assume my sibling was dead and agree to go to Washington. I'd like to help stop the plague, but my brother or sister first. Especially when there are others who could go. And Tripley if my dad had been murdered recently.

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I believe Daryl told Maggie that Beth had been captured.
Yes, he did. Maggie has to, or does, presume the worst in that case and could be why she was willing to leave.
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Then start from the new season posts and you'll get the idea.
I may skim through but sometimes its torture reading through some of these posts. I don't understand why people have to pick apart every last detail. Speaking of inaccuracies, why are there no fat walkers or cute college coed walkers?
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Yes, he did. Maggie has to, or does, presume the worst in that case and could be why she was willing to leave.

But she was hell bent on finding Glenn even though all signs pointed to him being dead. But Nooo, she just knew he was alive.


I guess we know how she really felt about Beth. She probably thinks she's the weak, bratty little sister.
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Anyone else noticed that Ford always looks like he comes right out of a barber's shop?
At least the rest of them doesn't look like they are coming fresh out of the bathroom.
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