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I think the producers and Kirkman killing people just to kill them ruins the show. You watch a TV show to become invested in characters and they continue to kill off people for no reason except for the "shock" value. So if you can't become invested in the characters because they will just be killed off, then why watch? I think it alienates people who want to tune in for certain people, certain chemistry, etc.
Here is the other side of the argument. Knowing that a character could die in any episode makes the danger real to the viewer and the lives of each character more important. If you knew that someone was, in the context of the show, "immortal", what good is putting a character in peril?
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Here is the other side of the argument. Knowing that a character could die in any episode makes the danger real to the viewer and the lives of each character more important. If you knew that someone was, in the context of the show, "immortal", what good is putting a character in peril?

Big difference though between being in peril and seeing some characters die, but killing off multiple people every season, that is over the top. One once in awhile over the course of the multiple seasons could just as easily driven home that wow, no one is safe, multiple people a season and you can't invest in anyone.

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Stupid Beth. Seriously...stupid.
Yep, whatever.. never really liked her character much anyway, always felt her scenes were a drag. Everytime she came on I would be like move along, HTFU already.. Maggie did Compared to say Carol who I really liked this season, how hurt she was when Rick banished her. Then she comes back and saves them and heartfelt reunion.

What did she say to Dawn again? lol at her quickdraw, trigger happy finger
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Beth said "Now I get it" and ironically she did. Sadly enough, what she got was a bullet. I'm surprised with all Beth's experience and knowledge of doing away with zombies, she chose to stick Dawn with a rather small scissors to the shoulder.

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What was the point of Father Adultery head to the school again? What did he need to see at the cannibal's camp site, Bob's foot? Or did it had to do with his Church congregation?

That was pretty risky, and majorly stupid, putting Carl, Mishone and Baby Judith in danger It was pretty much pointless stroll.
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I think the producers and Kirkman killing people just to kill them ruins the show. You watch a TV show to become invested in characters and they continue to kill off people for no reason except for the "shock" value. So if you can't become invested in the characters because they will just be killed off, then why watch? I think it alienates people who want to tune in for certain people, certain chemistry, etc.


Oh well. Good episode, not great, Morgan was the most interesting part.
I'm with you on this one, killing for the shock value only, I watch most shows because of the characters, at least the ones I continue to watch and if you are going to get rid of them, then you'll eventually get rid of me, I'm not a big fan of the anti-heros, if you want to kill someone off, kill off a few of the anti-heroes( I guess Shane would be considered one that they did) out of nowhere, instead we have to kill the likeable characters, never seem to get rid of the a-holes.
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While watching the WD yesterday, the WD picture was not very good (I am using a projector and Direct TV) and have always had a very nice picture. The commercials looked very good (HD) but the WD looked SD (standard def). That has never happened before. Anyone else notice a sub par picture quality on this particular episode?

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While watching the WD yesterday, the WD picture was not very good (I am using a projector and Direct TV) and have always had a very nice picture. The commercials looked very good (HD) but the WD looked SD (standard def). That has never happened before. Anyone else notice a sub par picture quality on this particular episode?
It seemed like there was more grain than previous episodes this season. But I didn't think it looked like SD.

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It seemed like there was more grain than previous episodes this season. But I didn't think it looked like SD.

There was a lot of noticeable grain, but agree nothing close to SD.


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That was pretty risky, and majorly stupid, putting Carl, Mishone and Baby Judith in danger It was pretty much pointless stroll.
That was another case, like on the bridge when the "joggers" caught up with Daryl and Carol, where if he had ran, or even jogged, they would have never kept up with him and not found the church.
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What was the point of Father Adultery head to the school again? What did he need to see at the cannibal's camp site, Bob's foot? Or did it had to do with his Church congregation?

That was pretty risky, and majorly stupid, putting Carl, Mishone and Baby Judith in danger It was pretty much pointless stroll.
Gabriel has been pretty much sheltered in his church since the start of the apocalypse. He has no idea how brutal and kill or be killed the outside world has become. When Rick, Sasha and gang brutally kill Gareth and the Termites in his church his mind can't handle it. He needs to see what the outside world is like for himself. When he sees Bob's leg on the grill and the Walkers come busting out of the school his mind clicks and he finally gets it. Sometimes learning the hard way is the only way.
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Here is the other side of the argument. Knowing that a character could die in any episode makes the danger real to the viewer and the lives of each character more important. If you knew that someone was, in the context of the show, "immortal", what good is putting a character in peril?
But for the most part they are characters hardly anyone cares that much about and they die in dumb ways due to character stupidity.

I can't say I've missed any of the characters that have died and arguably Rick and Daryl are immortal until the actors get bored or ratings drop, because they are fan favorites. If they die it won't be the result of stabbing someone with a pair of tiny scissors after they've been rescued.


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Few notes - The show always looks awful on first run compared to how it will look/looks when its on Netflix or released on Disc. Not sure why that is.

If you had a stop watch would we have seen more commercial time or more content with this episode? I know the advertising was sold with the expectation of the most eyes are on the live view/mid season episode but come on...just charge more money to less advertisers and make the show watchable.

Scenes with beth and dawn were a snoozefest..

I was wrong about tyreese, rick, and daryl subliminally wanting to include Noah in on the trade.. Rick stood firm that he was a part of his group so it will be interesting to see him next half season as a group member.

I think the random killings of characters is done to let the viewer and the actors know that no one is safe. The actress who played Beth said that she was notified while filming episode 7 that she would be gone at 8. Leaving her occupied with moving out of Atlanta and ending her lease where she was staying and finding another place to live etc. Seemed more emotional for being "fired" and leaving the group...when Herschel was on talking dead he actually seemed pretty ticked off..

With everything said and all of the complaints of slow episodes and scenes this past few episodes, this is Ricks show. Everything gets elevated when the focus is on him. His arc has been the most drastic and this new kill-mode he is in ever since he bit Joe's neck off is exactly what people want to see...not a guy with a mullet using big words...or two women talking about a character we have never met...they want Rick
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Gabriel has been pretty much sheltered in his church since the start of the apocalypse. He has no idea how brutal and kill or be killed the outside world has become. When Rick, Sasha and gang brutally kill Gareth and the Termites in his church his mind can't handle it. He needs to see what the outside world is like for himself. When he sees Bob's leg on the grill and the Walkers come busting out of the school his mind clicks and he finally gets it. Sometimes learning the hard way is the only way.
I was hoping Gabriel would be a casualty simply because I find his character to be pathetic and dumb (locked his congregation out of the church, kept the food for himself, refused to fight the zombies but had no problem with others killing them for him, led the zombies back to the church, etc.), but if he is going to stick around I sure hope he isn't preaching or touting scripture all the time. I would think after everything that has happened to the human race faith in an all-knowing, all-loving god would pretty much be history.
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I would think after everything that has happened to the human race faith in an all-knowing, all-loving god would pretty much be history.
[hmm]At this point in my life I'm not that religious of a person, for good or bad, however history would tend to disagree with you.

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[hmm]At this point in my life I'm not that religious of a person, for good or bad, however history would tend to disagree with you.
You're probably right, but in a zombie dominated post-apocalyptic world...
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Don't forget that Gabriel stepped on a rusty nail. They probably wouldn't have bothered spending the screentime to show us that unless it has some significance. I.e. he's most likely in the process of coming down with tetanus. "Lockjaw" usually is fatal without treatment. In other words, I suspect he won't last past the end of this season, and maybe not even that long. Of course, it could be just one big misdirection, but that happens much more often in "peviews" than in the show itself.
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"Lockjaw" usually is fatal without treatment.
Very true and still has a very high mortality with treatment once symptoms commence. Best strategy is routine immunization or timely post-exposure prophylaxis. Guess we'll find out if the Rev was up to date with his immunizations.

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Stupid Beth. Seriously...stupid.

Well Beth went into a gun fight with a pair scissors not too smart of her character
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I wasn't very impressed that they
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Nothing against Carol's character but I feel her story arc has pretty much been explored to death. There was so much more potential with
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I was actually kind of hoping that Dawn was somehow going to choose to abdicate her position as leader (as earlier in the episode she seemed to realize that some of her cops were out of control / no good) and join Ricks group. I think that would have made an interesting dynamic personally.
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Kinda going out with a whimper -- seemed pretty forced. Dawn was this mundane bad (not even evil). The hospital crew's sin was being boringly bad. At the end, none of them came with Rick's crew meaning that they didn't want to give up their desperate, useless lives. Basically the hospital crew was the ultimate Nielsen family, happily watching the same old crap over and over again.

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Don't forget that Gabriel stepped on a rusty nail. They probably wouldn't have bothered spending the screentime to show us that unless it has some significance. I.e. he's most likely in the process of coming down with tetanus. "Lockjaw" usually is fatal without treatment. In other words, I suspect he won't last past the end of this season, and maybe not even that long. Of course, it could be just one big misdirection, but that happens much more often in "peviews" than in the show itself.
I think they did that simply so that he couldn't run very fast when chased by walkers in the next episode. As soon as he started limping, didn't we all say "he's zombie bait?"

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He'll probably have his foot amputated due to gangrene setting in for lack of treatment, he'll end up like Bob and die 2-3 episodes later.

Man I hope Morgan catches up quickly!

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Don't forget that Gabriel stepped on a rusty nail. They probably wouldn't have bothered spending the screentime to show us that unless it has some significance. I.e. he's most likely in the process of coming down with tetanus. "Lockjaw" usually is fatal without treatment. In other words, I suspect he won't last past the end of this season, and maybe not even that long. Of course, it could be just one big misdirection, but that happens much more often in "peviews" than in the show itself.
This recalls an argument I had with my dad a few years back (thanks to the internet I won). Tetanus is caused by a bacteria that is sometimes found on rusty nails. Its not actually caused by rust. Also, since the show takes place in the USA, the character was most likely immunized as a child (although I think its not 100% effective?). In other words, the chances of him getting lockjaw from stepping on a nail is pretty small. That said he's a pretty useless character, I won't miss him if he does die.
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This recalls an argument I had with my dad a few years back (thanks to the internet I won). Tetanus is caused by a bacteria that is sometimes found on rusty nails. Its not actually caused by rust. Also, since the show takes place in the USA, the character was most likely immunized as a child (although I think its not 100% effective?). In other words, the chances of him getting lockjaw from stepping on a nail is pretty small. That said he's a pretty useless character, I won't miss him if he does die.
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A tetanus shot is not a one time thing. You need to get a tetanus booster every ten years to remain safe...
You beat me to it, although I wasn't 100% certain, I did seem to think you needed boosters every so often.
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Don't forget that Gabriel stepped on a rusty nail. They probably wouldn't have bothered spending the screentime to show us that unless it has some significance. I.e. he's most likely in the process of coming down with tetanus. "Lockjaw" usually is fatal without treatment. In other words, I suspect he won't last past the end of this season, and maybe not even that long. Of course, it could be just one big misdirection, but that happens much more often in "peviews" than in the show itself.
So I'm thinking a zombie with lockjaw wouldn't be such a bad thing
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In addition to boosters, I believe it's recommended to start over in the case of major wounds. Say, stepping on a nail - you wouldn't wait another few years for a booster, they'd give you another shot then. But, that's deeper than the show will go; I figure infection/tetanus or nothing comes of it.
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Saw this great question elsewhere. Why didn't Rick and his group take the vests off of the officers and use them for their own use??? This seems like a DUH moment.

I have a feeling they are keeping Gabriel around and over time he will change dramatically from the character we first met.

I was wondering how the Beth/Carol/Darryl love triangle would work out when they were reunited as one group. Darryl obviously had strong feelings for both. Guess they solved that issue.
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I expected to see that Beth had stabbed Dawn with a center mass gut shot. Was very disappointed to see that it was a non-lethal shoulder wound. Oh well, Daryl quickly cleaned up Beth's mistake. Like others, I was glad to see Dawn go. She was oblivious to the fact that she had become a monster. Ironically, by the time Dawn killed Beth, Beth had become a serial killer in her own right, albeit for righteous reasons.

I continue to love the show. Its almost gleeful violence is funny, to me at least, and the willy-nilly killing of regulars on the show has been very exciting and always leaves me wondering who will be next. Whatever else can be said about the show's stupidity, it is never boring.
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