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I'm in the skepticism camp. I also wondered why, if the guys remark about no one being able to hear Judith out side the walls were true, how come they could hear children laughing. And they couldn't actually SEE them. It could have been a recording.

Which reminds me, in the preview scenes, where they showed shots on the interior, did they show any children? Did they show ANY people at all in the streets?

And why did new guy yell, "It's too late"? Was it simply because they were surrounded by walkers?

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Scott Ian from the band Anthrax will be a zombie in next week's show and also will be on the Talking Dead panel.
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Scott Ian from the band Anthrax will be a zombie in next week's show and also will be on the Talking Dead panel.
He got Caught In a zombie Mosh and lost his Efilnikufesin.

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Trying not to spoil anything from the comics... but I don't think this spoils anything...

The prison was a secure place, except they ran into the Governor nearby. Without the governor, they could have stayed at the prison indefinitely because they had lots of room to garden and it was pretty easy to secure from the walkers.

Alexandria looks to be a gated community. That's why it would be better than your average neighborhood. IF you sweep the gated community, you have a secure neighborhood AND until the population of your camp gets too big there will be lots of houses to spread out for everyone. The gated communities usually have large houses too, so even if you shared a house with someone you'd have lots of room especially since nobody really has a lot of personal possessions anymore.

Alexandria would have the same problem as the prison, though... in that once another group finds out about it there really is only two choices... that other group wants to join and is one you want to invite in... OR they want in, and you don't want them and you have to fight it out. So you'd be really careful and selective about who you invite back to your secured camp. Rick and company weren't at the prison long enough to be going around inviting others in, though they did take in a lot of renegades from Woodbury for a while. Presumably the Alexandria camp has been around a while from the way Aaron was talking about having "done this before" meaning, Rick's group wasn't the first group they found and scouted and asked to come see the neighborhood.

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Trying not to spoil anything from the comics... but I don't think this spoils anything...

The prison was a secure place, except they ran into the Governor nearby. Without the governor, they could have stayed at the prison indefinitely because they had lots of room to garden and it was pretty easy to secure from the walkers.

Alexandria looks to be a gated community. That's why it would be better than your average neighborhood. IF you sweep the gated community, you have a secure neighborhood AND until the population of your camp gets too big there will be lots of houses to spread out for everyone. The gated communities usually have large houses too, so even if you shared a house with someone you'd have lots of room especially since nobody really has a lot of personal possessions anymore.

Alexandria would have the same problem as the prison, though... in that once another group finds out about it there really is only two choices... that other group wants to join and is one you want to invite in... OR they want in, and you don't want them and you have to fight it out. So you'd be really careful and selective about who you invite back to your secured camp. Rick and company weren't at the prison long enough to be going around inviting others in, though they did take in a lot of renegades from Woodbury for a while. Presumably the Alexandria camp has been around a while from the way Aaron was talking about having "done this before" meaning, Rick's group wasn't the first group they found and scouted and asked to come see the neighborhood.
One other problem that any "community" would face is some random dude kicking off in the middle of the night and going all zom zom before it could be contained. Everyone locking themselves in their own cell is ideal.
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After running the highway 23 sluice, they could probably use a couple bottles of Zom-Be-Gone.



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The prison was a secure place, except they ran into the Governor nearby. Without the governor, they could have stayed at the prison indefinitely because they had lots of room to garden and it was pretty easy to secure from the walkers.
So easy, they never bothered to lock the gates. A base is only as secure as the intelligence of the people living there. That's a low bar for anyone related to this group.


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Alexandria looks to be a gated community. That's why it would be better than your average neighborhood. IF you sweep the gated community, you have a secure neighborhood AND until the population of your camp gets too big there will be lots of houses to spread out for everyone. The gated communities usually have large houses too, so even if you shared a house with someone you'd have lots of room especially since nobody really has a lot of personal possessions anymore.
Noah's base was a gated community too. That fell easily.

A gated community's only real defense is against cars. At best some of the houses may have walls but most of the time they just have a rural buffer made of trees. Without improvised barriers they are just as easy for zombies to wander into as any other neighborhood.

If only there was a giant military base nearby with something that is mostly impregnable to intruders, like an aircraft carrier ...
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One other problem that any "community" would face is some random dude kicking off in the middle of the night and going all zom zom before it could be contained. Everyone locking themselves in their own cell is ideal.
If you have your own house, just lock the doors. Problem mostly solved. Keeps the zoms inside their own home or away from others. Basic procedures would keep things in check before unlocking doors in the morning.

Bars, bunkers, steel bank vaults, individual steel pods ... one way or another someone on the show will not secure a vital door and the entire community would fall apart.


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I thought Aaron said that the gates to Alexandria were made from slabs of rolled cold steel? That's not what I saw!

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Safest place to hide from zombies in the US?
Basically it boils down to least populated areas.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...-from-zombies/

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I thought Aaron said that the gates to Alexandria were made from slabs of rolled cold steel? That's not what I saw!
Did he say the gates too or just the walls? They were looking at the photo of the walls when he mentioned it.


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I thought Aaron said that the gates to Alexandria were made from slabs of rolled cold steel? That's not what I saw!
Not the gate. The walls!

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I could have sworn he said the walls were "12 feet wide" too
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Not the gate. The walls!

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Basically it boils down to least populated areas.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...-from-zombies/
That's why going to DC would be one of the last places I would go to.

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Basically it boils down to least populated areas.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...-from-zombies/
I would want to go to Cheyenee mountain. Ever read about that place? Areas for planting food, it has its own large lake inside, doors are almost impenetrable. Yeah, I would go there. Just have to make sure everyone locks their bunk doors in case they pass away at night.

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I could have sworn he said the walls were "12 feet wide" too
Each wall segment was 12 feet wide. Not twelve feet thick.

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I would want to go to Cheyenee mountain. Ever read about that place? Areas for planting food, it has its own large lake inside, doors are almost impenetrable. Yeah, I would go there. Just have to make sure everyone locks their bunk doors in case they pass away at night.
Plus it has an emergency exit that goes to hundreds of other planets!
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I would want to go to Cheyenee mountain. Ever read about that place? Areas for planting food, it has its own large lake inside, doors are almost impenetrable. Yeah, I would go there. Just have to make sure everyone locks their bunk doors in case they pass away at night.
I wouldn't bother, the place would likely have gone on lockdown pretty early on, so unless you bring the key to the front door with you...
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I wouldn't bother, the place would likely have gone on lockdown pretty early on, so unless you bring the key to the front door with you...
Even if you cannot get inside the facility the exterior fencing and reinforced tunnel makes it a more secure location than most of the places our intrepid bunch go to.

Plus like every other military base the group ignore constantly, there could be people and authority actually living there.


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Unless I missed it, we still don't know when or why this virtually impregnable fence got built around a housing addition in the first place.
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Unless I missed it, we still don't know when or why this virtually impregnable fence got built around a housing addition in the first place.
I don't read the comics so I don't know or care what is known from them, but how do you/we know that this is just "a housing addition" ?
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I can't remember the comics since it has been a while... but I would imagine if you found a gated community that was in reasonably good shape with its all-around fencing intact... that you would check the perimeter, clear it out inside, and then work on reinforcing the walls around it. IF you had been there for a while, say in Alexandria, they may have had time to fortify the whole perimeter. If it has been say 2 years since the fallout... they could have been in Alexandria a year or more, at least whomever started settling there. The tough part would be scrounging the materials to fortify a wall that high all the way around.

The point is.. it could be done... but it probably takes a while and a lot of people.

Meanwhile... I've said before... after the initial shock and surprise of people coming back from the dead... and all the initial casualties... anyone who survived all that and is still alive, really ought to be able to move on and have regular lives again eventually. The thing is... survivors would have to cooperate and protect each other while rebuilding the world. Anyone dies, you spike their brain and bury OR cremate immediately... no waiting. Do that, and you don't have to worry about zombies back from the dead going forward. The only other major change to society would be that from now on everyone would have to sleep inside rooms that lock from the inside in case you died in your sleep or while others were asleep to prevent you from killing others... AND nobody goes anywhere alone anymore. Everybody works and goes around during the day in groups of 3 or more so that there's always someone to spike you if you die suddenly.

Then they could rebuild society back to the way it was before... but then we wouldn't have a TV series or comic to enjoy either

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