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I wonder what percentage of the hour includes advertising if you also count the annoying bottom screen thirds and product placements.

So I guess Ricks shave and constable outfit were meant to imply an attempt to return to the man he was at the beginning of the series, but his last line showed he will never be that guy again.

Are the hairdresser and her husband even together? In what marriage is it ok for one spouse to spend time alone with a potential love interest stranger (grooming him no less) in his house, while the other spouse has not even met him?

I'm guessing the patrol leader ahole will be the cause for this place not working out, perhaps assisted by the hairdresser's husband.

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I was distracted by the possum with the arrow through it.

They must have had fun making it. I wonder if there was more than one -- one to carry and one to gut?
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The Talking Dead has some good behind the scenes. They showed the town. It is a real community that they built the fence around. They added 14 houses to the community for everyone to use. They said they actually have to stop production when someone comes home from work and has to drive to their house.

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Would you rather see them in the episodes then? :P
That's the last thing I want to see. USA has been doing that promoting Dig.
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Bingo.! That's my thought too, since they were in Georgia why not go to Tybee Island and the only way in out is Hwy 80 the rest is water all around. Throw up some barriers on the 80 and than clean up Tybee?
Have you ever read (read, not seen) World War Z?

It's not undisputed in the literature that water protects you from zombies.
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Good guess, with the 30 sec catch-up included but the previews for the next episode not included there wer 42:38 mins of actual screen time. With a programmed runtime of 1:01 minutes, 42:38 comes out to right about 69%(.69945) of actual program, the rest was all commercials and the previews for next week. There were 5 commercial breaks of 1:15, 3:31, 4:07, 4:36, 4:16 and then the 22 sec preview(w/Microsoft ad).
That's quite average these days. Some network shows are down to 41:30. It's not the total minutes that's changed in the past few years, it's the extra break which screws up the rhythm of the show and makes everything feel disjointed, even when watching on a DVR. IIRC Lost was the first show to do the 5 act structure.

ITA that TV advertising should be more of a scarce resource and then they could charge more for it. What I wouldn't give to go back to the 46-48 minute hour back in the 80's -- 4 short, predictable breaks, after the opening credits and at the 15 minute marks. Now I can do the freakin' dinner dishes during a break.

Yet another reason why, with rare exceptions, premium TV is kicking ad-supported's butt when it comes to quality and awards.
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That's quite average these days. Some network shows are down to 41:30. It's not the total minutes that's changed in the past few years, it's the extra break which screws up the rhythm of the show and makes everything feel disjointed, even when watching on a DVR. IIRC Lost was the first show to do the 5 act structure.

ITA that TV advertising should be more of a scarce resource and then they could charge more for it. What I wouldn't give to go back to the 46-48 minute hour back in the 80's -- 4 short, predictable breaks, after the opening credits and at the 15 minute marks. Now I can do the freakin' dinner dishes during a break.

Yet another reason why, with rare exceptions, premium TV is kicking ad-supported's butt when it comes to quality and awards.
Yes, keep in mind that this show ran for 61 mins whereas a typical show only runs 60 mins so this show only ran for 42.5 mins because it "stole" time from the next show airing behind it. Less breaks would be better but then they'd have to worry about the viewer just walking away from the screen altogether, it's a bit of a balancing game I suppose. It's been a while since I clocked a show on ABC, but I seem to recall they run a commercial break 6 times per hour, it's like 5 to 7 mins of show and then they punt to a commercial break.

I didn't count the individual ads, life's way too short for that, but my guess is that there was probably close to 40 to 50 ads total during those breaks.
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It's not undisputed in the literature that water protects you from zombies.
What literature, the comics ?
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If a show is popular enough and the network isn't too greedy, they could allow the show plenty of extra time. Look at FXX and Sons of Anarchy. It has episodes routinely that ran well over 1:15.
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What literature, the comics ?
World War Z. It's a pretty significant plot point.
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Yes, keep in mind that this show ran for 61 mins whereas a typical show only runs 60 mins so this show only ran for 42.5 mins because it "stole" time from the next show airing behind it. Less breaks would be better but then they'd have to worry about the viewer just walking away from the screen altogether, it's a bit of a balancing game I suppose. It's been a while since I clocked a show on ABC, but I seem to recall they run a commercial break 6 times per hour, it's like 5 to 7 mins of show and then they punt to a commercial break.



I didn't count the individual ads, life's way too short for that, but my guess is that there was probably close to 40 to 50 ads total during those breaks.

Is it me or do the episodes on Netflix seem a couple minutes longer?


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What literature, the comics ?
In nearly all media zombies are at the mercy of water because they lack the strength and understanding to fight a current and the ability to swim.

I can only think of two movies off the top of my head that wasn't the case, Zombie Lake and Land of the Dead, but the latter is a Romero movie and partially sentient zombies are not unheard of. In Land one of the zombies eventually figured out how to cross the river.


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If memory serves, was there not a scene in an earlier season with a Walker in a lake or large pond .. ?? I don't think in the Kirkman Universe water is any sort of protection .. correct me if I'm wrong ..


I keep thinking, why are the fence braces on the outside of the wall of New Woodberry .. ?? Or did I see it wrong .. ??


The comics and the show have long ago departed ways ...


And if former Congresswoman Deanna Monroe has a fishtank filled with heads, I guess we'll know something is not quite right ..


I don't know what's up with Carol, but somethin' ain't right .. wonderful Husband .. ?? Really .. ?? Not the guy I remember ..

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If memory serves, was there not a scene in an earlier season with a Walker in a lake or large pond .. ?? I don't think in the Kirkman Universe water is any sort of protection .. correct me if I'm wrong ..


I keep thinking, why are the fence braces on the outside of the wall of New Woodberry .. ?? Or did I see it wrong .. ??


The comics and the show have long ago departed ways ...


And if former Congresswoman Deanna Monroe has a fishtank filled with heads, I guess we'll know something is not quite right ..


I don't know what's up with Carol, but somethin' ain't right .. wonderful Husband .. ?? Really .. ?? Not the guy I remember ..
I would have to go back and re watch but I also thought the braces were on the outside of the wall when Rick was inspecting them.
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Carol obviously wants to appear weaker than she really is.

Yes, the supports are on the outside. Should be fine for zombies, could be bad against raiders.
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Yes, the support beams were on the outside. It was such a bizarre and frankly ridiculous-seeming defensive decision that I went online to see if I was missing some kind of structural benefit to having them on the outside. Based on what I read many people were asking the same question and not getting any good logical answers.

I can only hope that when Rick was examining the supports that it influenced his comment at the end because it reinforced what a bunch of clueless idiots ran the town. I hope so anyway, because if Rick didn't pick up on that too then it's more character idiocy.

I seem to remember a zombie in a lake in one of the earlier seasons, but I have an image in my head of it being weighed down by chains after someone threw it in there. It doesn't matter what universe zombies appear in, unless they are super strong or intelligent they cannot fight nature. They will be swept away or trapped by water just like any helpless human would be. In the second season they were constantly trapped just by mud.



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I would have to go back and re watch but I also thought the braces were on the outside of the wall when Rick was inspecting them.
Well, at least I know it was probably not just my imagination .. and the ability to scale out and back in the Wall as shown with Carl and the girl did not seem too comforting ..


Rick and Carl as well as Daryl, at least to me from what I'm seeing, have gone fully to the Dark Side .. I don't know if they can acclimate to what appears to be a way to perfect new Town scenario ..


I'm really fixated on Carol right now .. I almost did not recognize her cleaned up and in the new clothes .. Daryl was right, she looked ridiculous ..


Rick cleaned up and dressed in his new Law Enforcement uniform was almost surreal .. like a full circle ..

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Yes, the support beams were on the outside. It was such a bizarre and frankly ridiculous-seeming defensive decision that I went online to see if I was missing some kind of structural benefit to having them on the outside. Based on what I read many people were asking the same question and not getting any good logical answers.

I can only hope that when Rick was examining the supports that it influenced his comment at the end because it reinforced what a bunch of clueless idiots ran the town. I hope so anyway, because if Rick didn't pick up on that too then it's more character idiocy.

I seem to remember a zombie in a lake in one of the earlier seasons, but I have an image in my head of it being weighed down by chains after someone threw it in there. It doesn't matter what universe zombies appear in, unless they are super strong or intelligent they cannot fight nature. They will be swept away or trapped by water just like any helpless human would be. In the second season they were constantly trapped just by mud.
Given a moat or lake/pond scenario, without rushing water, I believe there is no reason a Walker can't walk across the bottom and out the other end ..


What was puzzling to me about the location of the braces was, if I recall correctly, Madame Monroe said her husband, an engineer of some sort, designed the Wall .. maybe I'm just over thinking it ..

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Given a moat or lake/pond scenario, without rushing water, I believe there is no reason a Walker can't walk across the bottom and out the other end ..
Same reasons they couldn't get out of 6 inches of mud at Hershel's farm. Too stupid and not strong enough. Underwater they would have no idea what direction to walk in and the silt combined with water pressure would be even worse. Best case scenario is they are so wasted that they float randomly. Being underwater is difficult enough for humans unless they are swimming.


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Carol obviously wants to appear weaker than she really is.
The stark contrast of Carol as we know her, vs The Lady in That Video Interview .. I don't know what to make of it .. especially considering Madame Monroe made such a point out of "We need people that have been existing outside, that's one of the reasons we're inviting you folks in .. "


Carol goes from meek and mild abused Wife, to bad ass survivor, then back to meek and mild with a "Wonderful Husband" .. ?? What's next .. ?? Michonne ditches the sword, and puts on a frilly dress .. ??

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Yeah like "Carl how the heck did you get out?" and response would be "I followed that girl I just met, she climbed the wall easily, she's up to something", maybe next episode?

Was it some chemistry between Rick and Samantha? I thought she was single mother but the husband was creeping outside at night, but I think they'll will fight each other over jealousy
Didn't that just show how much Rick trusts his son now? That he can trust him to fight side by side with him and not have to question his every move like when he was younger.

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Father Gabriel was standing in front of Sasha during the Sniper intro...he was also there when they were handing over weopons...

they kept mentioning on talking dead they have to cut a ton of stuff out....I have an idea..why dont they charge advertisers MORE $$ for less commercials..
Why? When they can charge more for each commercial and also show more commercials. It sucks for those unusual people that would watch a show live, but they are trying to make as much money as they can.

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I was distracted by the possum with the arrow through it.

They must have had fun making it. I wonder if there was more than one -- one to carry and one to gut?
They are pretty disgusting. I saw an Opossum one night recently by my front door when I came home late. At first I thought it was a cat and then freaked out when I realized it was an Opossum.

Luckily we don't have any possums around here. They must be even worse, but I've never seen one here in North America except in a zoo.

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Good guess, with the 30 sec catch-up included but the previews for the next episode not included there wer 42:38 mins of actual screen time. With a programmed runtime of 1:01 minutes, 42:38 comes out to right about 69%(.69945) of actual program, the rest was all commercials and the previews for next week. There were 5 commercial breaks of 1:15, 3:31, 4:07, 4:36, 4:16 and then the 22 sec preview(w/Microsoft ad).
I just quickly scan past the commercials. Whether they are one minute or five minutes long I don't really care. As long as I'm not forced to watch it.

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If memory serves, was there not a scene in an earlier season with a Walker in a lake or large pond .. ??
Yes, in S4. The Governor kills Pete, puts a chain around his ankle and tosses him off the end of a dock into a lake. WPeter who has changed into a Walker can see the Gov thru the water and still tries to get at him.



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They are pretty disgusting. I saw an Opossum one night recently by my front door when I came home late. At first I thought it was a cat and then freaked out when I realized it was an Opossum.

Luckily we don't have any possums around here. They must be even worse, but I've never seen one here in North America except in a zoo.

Don't travel much? possums are plentiful and I've seen more than a few out in the wild, unless you're out at night however you'll almost never see them.


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Don't travel much? possums are plentiful and I've seen more than a few out in the wild, unless you're out at night however you'll almost never see them.


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Maybe I'm slow in the head...but I don't see where the confusion about Carol's approach is coming from. Seems perfectly in character to me with the change she has gone through since Season 1. Instead of putting on a meat-cloak to camouflage herself (i.e. the Terminus rescue op) she is putting on a "Leave It To Beaver" cloak to camouflage herself before their inevitable take-over. I would also bet money she is angling herself to be the one in charge of the weapons depot before long. This one seems clear as day to me.


I definitely think Daryl needs to get on-board with this type of approach as he is, obviously, quickly becoming the focus of attention from the town and not in a good way. Rick needs to deputize him and Glen ASAP. Rick has his camo on, but is obviously ready to take the place over if his Spidey-senses start tingling. My money is on Rick and Co. kicking the town's ass pretty quickly after seeing their toughest ROTC guy at his "best". Glen made short order of him.


I also agree with everyone's take on the wall supports. I definitely can see how it was built only thinking about keeping the walkers out as it would be easy for raiders to cut the supports if they are on the outside...but what still befuddles me is why the hell you would put your supports inside out like that? If a herd just leaned on the walls long enough, or in large enough quantities, the supports aren't going to do jack. So weird.
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I just quickly scan past the commercials. Whether they are one minute or five minutes long I don't really care. As long as I'm not forced to watch it.
Same here, but a poster had made reference to the content/commercial split so I threw the numbers up there for the last episode. I can't imagine sitting through the show live, in fact I wouldn't, if it was the only way to watch it I just wouldn't watch it at all.
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I am a little confused by one thing: was the hairdresser's husband real, or did Rick only see him in a dream? The way they switched to a shot of Rick sleeping and then he awakens abruptly makes me wonder.

Overall, I liked the episode. New stuff, new people, etc., will make it interesting.

I like that the ROTC do*che got decked by the smallest guy.

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