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After Dumpster - Ghazi, I'm sure a lot of people just aren't biting anymore.

Agreed, no more dumpster diving for anyone. The crew might as well put a revolving door at the entrance. Every time somebody leaves, at least 2 people have to go looking for them..Not too much stealth out in the woods, how about a portable cd player to make sure everyone hears you?
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Granted, the circle stuff was not very logical, but I think this is less problematic than some of the other stuff in the episode because Morgan did end up supporting his main point: that people can change and they are worth saving because there is some good in them.
Which he knows, how? The episode left it ambiguous why the Wolf saved Denise.

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Don't know how far we want to take Morgans "circles." If he would have killed the Wolves when he first met them, they never would have attacked and the wall never would have been breached by the Walkers. Thereby not putting Carl in the position to get shot in the first place. Circles, man. Circles.
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Don't know how far we want to take Morgans "circles." If he would have killed the Wolves when he first met them, they never would have attacked and the wall never would have been breached by the Walkers. Thereby not putting Carl in the position to get shot in the first place. Circles, man. Circles.
If he would have put down his walker wife, then she would not have bit his son and he would not have gone into "clear" mode etc etc etc
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you'd think someone would try to re-start some communications systems. Hell the saviors were living under a damn satellite dish.
Well, to their credit the Termites were broadcasting....."Come and Get It!"

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Agreed, no more dumpster diving for anyone. The crew might as well put a revolving door at the entrance. Every time somebody leaves, at least 2 people have to go looking for them..Not too much stealth out in the woods, how about a portable cd player to make sure everyone hears you?
Kinda like what's his name that blasted music whenever they went out in the van....

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Don't know how far we want to take Morgans "circles." If he would have killed the Wolves when he first met them, they never would have attacked and the wall never would have been breached by the Walkers. Thereby not putting Carl in the position to get shot in the first place. Circles, man. Circles.
But then where would we be in our story?
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Which he knows, how? The episode left it ambiguous why the Wolf saved Denise.
I don't remember it being ambiguous. He did save her.

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What kind of machine gun fits into a coat sleeve and doesn't burn the shooters arm when rapid firing?
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What kind of machine gun fits into a coat sleeve and doesn't burn the shooters arm when rapid firing?
A TV machine gun
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So in the finale there could be an orgy of bullets.

All that stuff about manufacturing bullets?

Lets see if they bring it up again.
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Let me see if I can follow Morgan's logic: He let the Wolf live. The Wolf kidnapped Denise. But the Wolf later saved Denise, which allowed Denise to save Carl. So this proves that everything comes back around and Morgan did the right thing?

Ummm... How about he kills the Wolf like he's supposed to, the Wolf never kidnaps Denise, and Denise still saves Carl without nearly so much unnecessary drama in between? And, because Denise never had her moment of developing a backbone and standing up to the Wolf, she's still too cowardly to make the pharmacy run later and never gets killed.

Basically, Morgan ruins everything.
..... and don't forget if this was the case, we probably could of gained about 20 minutes on this episode to see something more useful and interesting
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After last nights ending, I can't believe there is not more chatter .. that final shot was so obviously a way to stir the pot ..
The Saviors are supposedly the bad guys and yet it is Rick and the gang who are the cold-blooded killers. The Saviors like to kill one person to make their point (so they say) but then want to bully you and take your lunch money. Rick's group just kill everyone. I've been surprised that Rick's group keep getting taken prisoner (and are stupid enough to always let a bunch of guys sneak up on them while they're yakking about how they should be careful). This season is getting me very close to abandoning the whole thing.
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Let me see if I can follow Morgan's logic: He let the Wolf live. The Wolf kidnapped Denise. But the Wolf later saved Denise, which allowed Denise to save Carl. So this proves that everything comes back around and Morgan did the right thing?

Ummm... How about he kills the Wolf like he's supposed to, the Wolf never kidnaps Denise, and Denise still saves Carl without nearly so much unnecessary drama in between? And, because Denise never had her moment of developing a backbone and standing up to the Wolf, she's still too cowardly to make the pharmacy run later and never gets killed.

Basically, Morgan ruins everything.
I think Morgan's point was more that the Wolf was able to change, but yeah, kinda the long way around of just killing the idiot immediately.

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What kind of machine gun fits into a coat sleeve and doesn't burn the shooters arm when rapid firing?
The Machine gun was in the sleeve, not her arm. Her hand was holding the trigger/handle they both were not in the sleeve. The jacket covered up her arm not being in the sleeve.
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The Carol thing is bothering me. She says she doesn't want to kill anymore yet she killed everyone holding her captive earlier. Then she says she is so done with killing she leaves, only to kill the fist group she comes across. She actually believes, going out there on her own will help prevent her from having to kill again? Wouldn't she have a better chance of not killing if she stays in Alexandria and stops going out on missions and just helps around the town? From everything she has seen, how bad the world is out there, she really thinks going out she stands a better chance of not killing? Stay in town, help out, defend if you absolutely have to, she has a better chance at a normal life there then out in the world where almost everyone you come across is a killer.
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As pointed out earlier, Morgan's circular argument had me yelling at the TV. Killing the wolf means she was never in that situation to begin with and was safe in her house until it all passed over. He was like all proud she was saved because of him. No, she was almost killed because of you AND the wolf killed other people in town so not only did you jeopardize her safety you got other people killed because of what you did. Thanks Morgan!
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Saviors know where Alexandria is and it's a matter of timing before they attack. Hell even if they were outgunned after the Alexandrians raided their armory, all they have to do is cut the power, running water, sewage lines, then wait it out for them to have to leave in order to get more food and supplies.
Are you suggesting they can block the sun? I don't know where the water is coming from, but probably a well. I don't know how you'd 'cut' sewer lines, but they'd first have to find the sewer line, and that assumes they are not on septic, being how rural it looks there. I'm in a pretty non-rural area and I still have a septic system. Granted, they could just wait them out, but that has nothing to do with utilities.
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Are you suggesting they can block the sun? I don't know where the water is coming from, but probably a well. I don't know how you'd 'cut' sewer lines, but they'd first have to find the sewer line, and that assumes they are not on septic, being how rural it looks there. I'm in a pretty non-rural area and I still have a septic system. Granted, they could just wait them out, but that has nothing to do with utilities.
Didn't we just have this discussion a few pages back?

They probably have a small, municipal sanitary sewer system that pumps water both ways, powered by their solar array. The community was evidently designed to be a "self-sufficient" prototype. Fresh water is supplied by a nearby stream. It's no coincidence people are living there as it provided a reasonably sustainable enclave after the larger, county-wide infrastructure failed.

At least that's the concept and a tee-vee show set in a zombie apocalypse doesn't need much more. In reality, those solar panels wouldn't supply nearly enough juice to do what they apparently do in this show. Just roll with it.
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The Carol thing is bothering me. She says she doesn't want to kill anymore yet she killed everyone holding her captive earlier. Then she says she is so done with killing she leaves, only to kill the fist group she comes across. She actually believes, going out there on her own will help prevent her from having to kill again? Wouldn't she have a better chance of not killing if she stays in Alexandria and stops going out on missions and just helps around the town? From everything she has seen, how bad the world is out there, she really thinks going out she stands a better chance of not killing? Stay in town, help out, defend if you absolutely have to, she has a better chance at a normal life there then out in the world where almost everyone you come across is a killer.
Just because there is a Zombie Apocalypse doesn't mean that people are going to suddenly start thinking logically. There are plenty of people in the real world that think and act like idiots.

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It almost seems like TWD is suffering from the "Revolution Syndrome" of endless capture/release cycles punctuated by occasional brief periods of interesting action.

Time for some fresh ideas vs. just killing off some semi-important cast member....
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Just because there is a Zombie Apocalypse doesn't mean that people are going to suddenly start thinking logically. There are plenty of people in the real world that think and act like idiots.
Can I get an Amen .. ??

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It almost seems like TWD is suffering from the "Revolution Syndrome" of endless capture/release cycles punctuated by occasional brief periods of interesting action.

Time for some fresh ideas vs. just killing off some semi-important cast member....
As opposed to them just building a safe new society where everyone chips in and has a vote. We could see discussions of how the new government will operate and whether issues like racism or sexism still survive the brave new world. We could see whether the survivors still have the ability to build things, make things and grow food. We could see . . . nah. Too boring. Lets just have all the survivors fight and kill each other.
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As opposed to them just building a safe new society where everyone chips in and has a vote. We could see discussions of how the new government will operate and whether issues like racism or sexism still survive the brave new world. We could see whether the survivors still have the ability to build things, make things and grow food. We could see . . . nah. Too boring. Lets just have all the survivors fight and kill each other.
Like I said earlier, they should all head west to Nebraska, where there are probably almost no people left, find a nice 1000 acre farm, kick back and watch their garden grow. Or go further to LA and chill in Bill Murray's house, or am I thinking of a different zombie universe.
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Can I get an Amen .. ??
No, because Daryl in particular should have known better. At least well enough not to get snuck up on by the same group of idiots, AGAIN.

And as others have mentioned, the continuing idiocy of Morgan's argument in the face of reality, not to mention that the 'circle' made no sense anyway if they had just killed the Wolf from the get-go.

This was yet another 'let's see how dumb our group can be' episode, and it's way beyond old now.
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No, because Daryl in particular should have known better. At least well enough not to get snuck up on by the same group of idiots, AGAIN.

And as others have mentioned, the continuing idiocy of Morgan's argument in the face of reality, not to mention that the 'circle' made no sense anyway if they had just killed the Wolf from the get-go.

This was yet another 'let's see how dumb our group can be' episode, and it's way beyond old now.

I think you took my five word post well out of the context it was intended ..

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Just because there is a Zombie Apocalypse doesn't mean that people are going to suddenly start thinking logically. There are plenty of people in the real world that think and act like idiots.

You're right about the real world, but this far into the ZA, Darwinism would have pared that number down considerably. Illogical thinking would add to Darwin's list more often than not, and the core survivors should be pretty battle hardened. There has to be some dumbness for the plot to survive of course, I just think they could tone it down a smidge. Maybe a middle ground somewhere.
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Just to summarize where we are headed to on the Finale ::


Dwight has shot Daryl .. Reedus has confirmed it
Carol is on the Road solo
Morgan is looking for her
Glenn / Michonne are held hostage, Daryl and Rosita are joining them
Maggie appears to be having trouble with the baby
Negan is finally set to appear


Have I missed anything .. ?? While many may not be overly impressed with the last episode, personally, I can't bring myself to use the word "boring" .. I don't know about you guys, but I am really thinking the Season Finale is going to be a great one ..
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Like I said earlier, they should all head west to Nebraska, where there are probably almost no people left, find a nice 1000 acre farm, kick back and watch their garden grow. Or go further to LA and chill in Bill Murray's house, or am I thinking of a different zombie universe.
Let's see, Nebraska has a population nearing 2 million today. If they are all dead that leaves 2 million walkers. They were already chilling in a house like Bill Murray's in Fear The Walking Dead and that doesn't look so good either....

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Are you suggesting they can block the sun? I don't know where the water is coming from, but probably a well. I don't know how you'd 'cut' sewer lines, but they'd first have to find the sewer line, and that assumes they are not on septic, being how rural it looks there. I'm in a pretty non-rural area and I still have a septic system. Granted, they could just wait them out, but that has nothing to do with utilities.
Didn't they go on a mission to a power station where they got trapped in the revolving door and Nicholas got someone killed?

Either that or just take out the solar PV arrays. There would have to be a ton of them to power the town. Even in the winter too I guess.

The explanations for modern infrastructure in Alexandria are flimsy. Why not go all the way with Internet and satellite TV too?
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The explanations for modern infrastructure in Alexandria are flimsy. Why not go all the way with Internet and satellite TV too?
Oh, I dunno. Maybe because all the content providers and ISP's are destroyed or deserted?
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And sewage plants and water filtration systems run themselves?

Not to mention, VA isn't exactly sunny year round so they have to supplement the solar power somehow. Where are they getting the fuel to run the power plant?

Does VA run on electric heaters or do they use heating oil in the winter?
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