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But there are refugees who leave their homeland all the time, for all kinds of reasons.

If things get bad enough or if there's no hope of better opportunities, they will risk migrating/immigrating.
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But there are refugees who leave their homeland all the time, for all kinds of reasons.

If things get bad enough or if there's no hope of better opportunities, they will risk migrating/immigrating.
Some do. Syria is still full of people.

Negan has been careful not to make things "bad enough" or to remove all hope.
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Putting aside the fact that it would have been so easy to kill Negan on a few occasions, what annoys me is how easy it would be to just pick up and leave.

Sure, they made it seem like every road out of there was blocked last season, but it sure seems like people are having no problem getting around now without being seen. Michonne is just walking around killing walkers, Carl and Enid had no problem walking to the Savior's camp before deciding to go back, Rick and Aaron are driving around looking for weapons, Rosita and Eugene just casually make their way to the bullet factory, and Sasha and Maggie (and now Enid) make it to the Hilltop undetected.

These people could easily leave Alexandria and get somewhere away from Negan and his crew.
But you need to remember their condition right before they arrived in Alexandria. Nearly feral, trying to feed acorns to Judith and just one step ahead of the murderous wolves.
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Rick is finally on board.

Now to convince Carol and Morgan.


Didn't get a good look at what Michone supposedly saw. A bunch of people at some crossroad? A lot of them?

OK, Negan traveled to Alexandria with a dead-eye shooter and some sadistic *******s. But again, I don't buy that he has hundreds or thousands of absolutely loyal people who'd bring retribution on anyone who decapitated the head of the snake.

Who would take his place? There might be dozens who try but they'd be fighting each other for the reins, right, and the rest of the horde would just fall in line? He might have to spill a lot of blood before he could inherit everything.

After all, if Negan got taken out, why wouldn't the next guy and the one after that?
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What was the point of showing Richard go to his stash of stuff? Didn't seem to make much sense to follow a third rate character like that. I guess it will be important later.


Not enough of Daryl's escape and a little to brief, but gotta admit, the hug at the end with Rick was awesome.


Glad Spencer is gone, guy was a jerk. Olivia, meh, no impact for me as I wasn't invested in her.


How can Neegan feel they are in a big hole with the supplies? Just how many supplies does he think is out there? Eventually its going to run out as everyone tries to get supplies.


Wonder what Michone saw?


Here is to hope the second half of the season gets better then this very weak first half.

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At least now we know why nobody bothers to try and kill Negan. Magic!
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How can Neegan feel they are in a big hole with the supplies? Just how many supplies does he think is out there? Eventually its going to run out as everyone tries to get supplies.
Simply because he can.

I do wonder when they'll learn to stash some of what they find before bringing it back in too.
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It was just nice to have an episode end with hope.

P.S. Just an FYI. There's a brief bonus scene after the credits.

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So Rick isn't motived by the death of his closest friends but he's motivated by the deaths of an Alexandrian and one that wants to replace him? The turn of character here seemed cheap.

I didn't think Negan/saviors would be around that long, just a one-season villian. It will lead up to the last episode. The Governor had a season plus a few episodes in the next. There was even some backstory with a flashback episode.

Hard to say how many Saviors there really are. He could just have them all in one place for show and then others times have them spread out. I doubt thousands, but at least hundreds.

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I'd love to see a blow up shot of what Michonne was seeing. I rewound it a couple times and really don't have any idea.

I hope the producers take note of how much better this mixed episode was than the bottle episodes of the season. Scale back on the artsy fartsy stuff, mix it up, and while still not Shakespeare, it can be engaging.
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I'd love to see a blow up shot of what Michonne was seeing. I rewound it a couple times and really don't have any idea.

I hope the producers take note of how much better this mixed episode was than the bottle episodes of the season. Scale back on the artsy fartsy stuff, mix it up, and while still not Shakespeare, it can be engaging.


From a brief glimpse it looked like a massive group of people/cars.


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Merry Christmas and a happy new year kind of finale. To make as hope that there is hope.
I am not falling for it. But I was able to watch this episode without fast forward.
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I'd love to see a blow up shot of what Michonne was seeing. I rewound it a couple times and really don't have any idea.
First thing that came to mind was when they (don't remember who now, nor does it matter) crested a hill in the road and could see a "herd" off in the distance (at the end of the episode). It was supposed to be ominous, I guess, but I don't recall anything else about it in following episodes.
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When Negan sees that Daryl is gone and that one of his crew was murdered, Negan will go back to Alexandria and start killing randoms until Daryl is turned over....even though Daryl is at Hilltop.... therefore the Kingdom, Hilltop, Alexandria and Lesbian Hideaway have to all come together very, very quickly....unless Negan just shrugs his shoulders at Daryl's escape, but I don't see that happening.

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When Negan sees that Daryl is gone and that one of his crew was murdered, Negan will go back to Alexandria and start killing randoms until Daryl is turned over....even though Daryl is at Hilltop.... therefore the Kingdom, Hilltop, Alexandria and Lesbian Hideaway have to all come together very, very quickly....unless Negan just shrugs his shoulders at Daryl's escape, but I don't see that happening.
He has no way of knowing where Daryl is. He has know way of knowing that Daryl had help.

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Negan will assume Daryl is wherever Rick is. After the events in this episode, I would expect what's her face to break her promise and reveal where a large gun stash is.

They are going to have to find a way to stall Negan.

If they want to defeat him, I would do the following:

I'm going to assume Negan has close to two thousand "Saviours", maybe less, based on Michonne's comments (a guess). So a direct assault would be foolish. I would also plan on (but think the probability low) a Negan assassination to trigger an attact by the Saviours. So first banish any children and pregnant women from the three encampments.

Next, trick Negan into another personal visit. Slaughter the entire visiting party, except for one (preferably a minor player). Return him with Negan's body to his hideout so it's clear they are no longer enslaved. Then brace themselves.

True, they might be attacked, maybe even destroyed (I would argue they are already destroyed. Sneeze wrong and Negan might kill someone.) but ANY aggression toward Negan would be met the same. At least this way Negan would be out of the picture.

On another note, if they made a bullet, does that not mean they have gun powder? And Negan didn't want to see where this bullet was made??

What was up in that scene after the credits?
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He has no way of knowing where Daryl is. He has know way of knowing that Daryl had help.
Daryl will go back to Rick. Negan knows this. It was also incredibly convenient that Daryl only came across only one Savior as he escaped through the walls/gate.
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One thing that I question is why did Rosita only get one bullet? I imagine Eugene could have made several, unless I missed something in that scene. She could get off several shots at Negan, increasing the odds of killing him. Of course the bullets are probably rather crude and wouldn't work well in her pistol.... it might jam.
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Negan will assume Daryl is wherever Rick is. After the events in this episode, I would expect what's her face to break her promise and reveal where a large gun stash is.

They are going to have to find a way to stall Negan.

If they want to defeat him, I would do the following:

I'm going to assume Negan has close to two thousand "Saviours", maybe less, based on Michonne's comments (a guess). So a direct assault would be foolish. I would also plan on (but think the probability low) a Negan assassination to trigger an attact by the Saviours. So first banish any children and pregnant women from the three encampments.

Next, trick Negan into another personal visit. Slaughter the entire visiting party, except for one (preferably a minor player). Return him with Negan's body to his hideout so it's clear they are no longer enslaved. Then brace themselves.

True, they might be attacked, maybe even destroyed (I would argue they are already destroyed. Sneeze wrong and Negan might kill someone.) but ANY aggression toward Negan would be met the same. At least this way Negan would be out of the picture.

On another note, if they made a bullet, does that not mean they have gun powder? And Negan didn't want to see where this bullet was made??

What was up in that scene after the credits?
Pretty sure the reason Negan took Eugene was so he could make him bullets

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I swear the bullet casing had markings on the bottom. Didn't it?

Also, wasn't it convenient that Negan looked at the casing to see it was homemade? Why would he presume that? Yeah, he took their guns and ammo but a) he could think they hid stuff from him or b) they found more on a supply search.
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I'm going to assume Negan has close to two thousand "Saviours", maybe less, based on Michonne's comments (a guess). So a direct assault would be foolish. I would also plan on (but think the probability low) a Negan assassination to trigger an attact by the Saviours. So first banish any children and pregnant women from the three encampments.
I don't think they've established that the Saviors are so loyal. Negan may give some of them points for getting him "stuff" but if he's gone, does he have loyal generals and a succession plan to transition to a new leader who will exact revenge?

Meanwhile, there are probably a dozen guys like Dwight with his face melted off so they have a reason to kill Negan themselves.

If there's no clear and orderly succession plan, then the survivors will fight each other for the seat. Otherwise, cut the head off the snake ...

Is Rick going to have to slaughter hundreds or thousands of Saviors to win the war? Or will most of them just not care once Negan is taken out to fight Rick's army?

If the Saviors are that loyal and the only way is to kill all of them, then probably they will have to involve the zombie horde to do a lot of the killing.

In their planning, they have to determine if they need to kill all the Saviors or just expect that cutting off the head of the snake will cause the body to just go limp.
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When Negan sees that Daryl is gone and that one of his crew was murdered, Negan will go back to Alexandria and start killing randoms until Daryl is turned over....even though Daryl is at Hilltop.... therefore the Kingdom, Hilltop, Alexandria and Lesbian Hideaway have to all come together very, very quickly....unless Negan just shrugs his shoulders at Daryl's escape, but I don't see that happening.
Don't forget that Negan now has Eugene as a hostage. He probably realizes that Eugene is not as valuable as Daryl, but then, Daryl probably can't make bullets.
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I don't think they've established that the Saviors are so loyal.

Is Rick going to have to slaughter hundreds or thousands of Saviors to win the war? Or will most of them just not care once Negan is taken out to fight Rick's army?

If the Saviors are that loyal and the only way is to kill all of them, then probably they will have to involve the zombie horde to do a lot of the killing.

In their planning, they have to determine if they need to kill all the Saviors or just expect that cutting off the head of the snake will cause the body to just go limp.
Nah. It's like Michonne said, there are too many to take them all on. And they can only determine how loyal they are by capturing one. I don't know they have time for that considering Daryl's escape.

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Don't forget that Negan now has Eugene as a hostage. He probably realizes that Eugene is not as valuable as Daryl, but then, Daryl probably can't make bullets.
Maybe he sensed Eugene has technical smarts. Or maybe to use him as more leverage, not knowing Daryl is gone. Did they take Rositas gun?
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He has no way of knowing where Daryl is.
No, he doesn't - but he will assume he's returned to Alexandria as the others have said. If he cares that Daryl escaped, he'll return to Alexandria and punish them, ask for Daryl back, and if they don't turn Daryl over, he'll punish them more. Repeat that until ??
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I swear the bullet casing had markings on the bottom. Didn't it?

Also, wasn't it convenient that Negan looked at the casing to see it was homemade? Why would he presume that? Yeah, he took their guns and ammo but a) he could think they hid stuff from him or b) they found more on a supply search.
That casing was brass that they found earlier. All it was was a reload. Maybe the bullet would look home made, but the case was manufactured. No way Negan could tell.
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But I guess ammo supply is an issue now all of a sudden.

Even though most of the series, they were spraying bullets often.
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Ahhh yes, they did re-use a case. Also explains why only (1) was made.

But what did Negan mean when he said (something like), "look at those crimps". I thought that referred to the 'rim' portion ?
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I want to see Daryl use his crossbow to stick a bolt directly into Negan's right eye. The left will do also!

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Did they take Rositas gun?
Speaking of guns, what are the odds that Fat Joe would have Rick's gun ? Wait, didn't Rick prefer revolvers ?
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how in the hell did the bullet just get lodged into Negan's bat?...wouldn't the bat have shattered?...is this a magical baseball bat?
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