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I thought the reason they were keeping the Humans alive in the camps was to use them with Harnesses or something like with the kids? They said they had perfected it on the adults and was going to start converting the people within a couple of days at the camp that Tom was in. I thought that was the entire reason they were keeping them alive instead of killing them?

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I thought the reason they were keeping the Humans alive in the camps was to use them with Harnesses or something like with the kids? They said they had perfected it on the adults and was going to start converting the people within a couple of days at the camp that Tom was in. I thought that was the entire reason they were keeping them alive instead of killing them?
Well, yeah, as of last episode, but since the harnessed kids, it seems like they didn't have much of any use for them other than to give the skitters something to do.

Maybe the Espheni are hosting their version of the "Running Man" game...

Damon Killian: There are still two stalkers out there. Dynamo and Fireball. Who do you think will make the next kill?
Elderly Lady: Oh my. That's a tough one.
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Elderly Lady: Alright, I think the next kill will be made by... Ben Richards.
Damon Killian: No, no. Agnes, Richards is a runner. You have to pick a stalker.
Elderly Lady: I can pick anyone I choose. And I choose... Ben Richards. That boy is one mean motherf****r.

Actually, the show makes so much more sense that way....
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While watching one of the horrendous Nazi-like kids camp scenes, my wife looked at me and said "Where'd they get all those nice clean uniforms while everyone else is scrambling around trying to survive?"
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The people in the paradise camp have clean clothing and water, too. Maybe the aliens borrowed some from the wackos in exchange for not attacking.
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I thought the reason they were keeping the Humans alive in the camps was to use them with Harnesses or something like with the kids? They said they had perfected it on the adults and was going to start converting the people within a couple of days at the camp that Tom was in. I thought that was the entire reason they were keeping them alive instead of killing them?

No, they clearly said they were not going to use the harness as it served its purpose. The camp is to re-educate the kids into their new army of soldiers. They mentioned how the harness had limits and served its purpose but this was the next step.

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Wife and I have been loyal followers of the show since the beginning, but she checked out and has officially decided not to watch any more as of the middle of episode 2. Can't say I blame her. I made it through the whole episode, but there really wasn't enough meat there to continue with the series. It's just all over the place, and the hybrid space baby has kind of ruined the show for me. I'm going to give it one more episode, but that's going to have to be REALLY good for me to continue watching the rest of the season.
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The problem is, when you're at war, the last thing you want is to have another war to get the resources for your battle. Make no mistake, they're expending a ton of resources fighting humans. It's not just the battles, either. They seem to love keeping vast numbers of humans alive in prison camps to do absolutely nothing to aid the war effort. They feed them and guard them with their own personnel as well as ships that have to hover overhead that supply power to electronic fencing. I seriously wonder how much they're getting out of Earth and the humans compared to the resources they have to expend to quell the rebellion - and that's not even taking into account the initial war to take over.

Further, these guys are idiots. If I were them, Tom would be dead. He causes them nothing but grief. He dies, so does the cause. Every time he's out of the fight, the human war effort grinds to a halt. If he died, I'm not sure the people would stand up and avenge him. They don't seem to know how unless he tells them.

At least in "V" (at least the original, anyway - I hated the remake), the aliens harvested us for food, which was at least a good excuse to keep humans alive.
Yeah with all the problems he has caused he would of been dead along time ago.

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No, they clearly said they were not going to use the harness as it served its purpose. The camp is to re-educate the kids into their new army of soldiers. They mentioned how the harness had limits and served its purpose but this was the next step.
Last night they mentioned how they would all be "Skitterized" soon if they did not escape. I wasn't talking about the re-education camp. But the camp where all of the adults are. They plan on converting the adults. It was that process that they had perfected.

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I wonder if Lexi is even Tom's daughter, or she has alien DNA implanted after conception? Still she doesn't look like Mom or Pop

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So, tell me again, with all the worry about climbing the fence with the bomb, why not just toss it over? Pope certainly dropped it enough and still avoided having it blow. Further, wouldn't light a short fuse be little safer than having it go off 2 seconds after connecting the wires? Heck, why not use a big long pole and a sticky bomb instead of the foolishness of climbing the fence in the first place?. The cable appeared to be pretty close to the fence.

Further, why not sneak charges over to the entrance of the bunker where the skitters come in and out? Blow that and you reduce the number of skitters giving chase.

Further, shouldn't Tomhave covered up his map until he was ready to take off so, you know, he doesn't arouse suspicion when he's playing Geronimo?

BTW, it's awfully nice of the aliens to make their super fence posts so easy to climb with nice foot and hand holds. However, couldn't the humans have built some kind of Faraday ladder or would that make climbing too easy?

Finally, wouldn't it have made sense to block the entrance to the underground tunnels so the Skitters couldn't get in and catch them by surprise? Despite that, Hal was awfully mopey for losing what, one guy? Not bad for an entire camp escaping.

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Hmmm, not sure I like what I watched just now. It was all over the place with to many holes and issues that were groan worthy.

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So, tell me again, with all the worry about climbing the fence with the bomb, why not just toss it over? Pope certainly dropped it enough and still avoided having it blow. Further, wouldn't light a short fuse be little safer than having it go off 2 seconds after connecting the wires? Heck, why not use a big long pole and a sticky bomb instead of the foolishness of climbing the fence in the first place?. The cable appeared to be pretty close to the fence.
I couldn't get past the fact that they've got enough explosives to bring down a building, but they don't just use that to blow up the fence post and its accompanying tether in one big boom. No Faraday suit or convenient hand/footholds required.
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I couldn't get past the fact that they've got enough explosives to bring down a building, but they don't just use that to blow up the fence post and its accompanying tether in one big boom. No Faraday suit or convenient hand/footholds required.
Well, I can buy that the fence post was made of some "terrilium alloy" that is stronger than any metal on Earth, so they couldn't blow up the pillar while an Earth building would come right down after strategic weakening.

What I had trouble with was the need to climb the fence at all.

Further, what was stopping them from slipping between the beams? They looked far enough apart for someone to carefully step through.
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Well, I can buy that the fence post was made of some "terrilium alloy" that is stronger than any metal on Earth, so they couldn't blow up the pillar while an Earth building would come right down after strategic weakening.

What I had trouble with was the need to climb the fence at all.

Further, what was stopping them from slipping between the beams? They looked far enough apart for someone to carefully step through.
A split second touch and you are vaporized. I don't think they would get many volunteers for that.

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Anne has one of the most loyal bands of followers ever. In any other circumstance, when your leader tells you, "Let's go west, because I had a dream," it's grounds for mutiny, since the boss is obviously insane. Everyone seems to have no trouble trusting her, though.

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Further, what was stopping them from slipping between the beams? They looked far enough apart for someone to carefully step through.
All the fence interactions we've seen indicate that it's a solid barrier with no ability to pass safely between the beams. It was probably just cheaper to do the graphics that way.

Speaking of visual effects, it does seem like this season has a higher overall budget. We've seen Skitters in every episode so far, whereas in past seasons they only showed up during major events.
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A split second touch and you are vaporized. I don't think they would get many volunteers for that.
I'm a thin guy and I used to have to slip through 3 wire electric fences all the time to get from one field to another back when I was younger. We never turned the fence off because we just avoided touching it and the controls were a half a mile away, anyway.

If it meant getting out of there, I'd totally volunteer.

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All the fence interactions we've seen indicate that it's a solid barrier with no ability to pass safely between the beams. It was probably just cheaper to do the graphics that way.
I'm not sure that's what we've seen. Think about it:

- When the fence first came down, a guy running at it gets ripped apart when he hits multiple beams.
- When Pope is trying to get over the fence and the flying bug attacks, the air canon blows the alien into the beams and he gets obliterated.

Did we actually see anyone try reaching or sneaking between the beams?

If they wanted it to act more solid, I'm not sure making it more of a closed lattice would have been any harder to create in FX. Heck, it would have made far more sense to have the fence be a series of horizontal beams about 6 inches apart since they run post to post. Diagonal beams make little sense because it means the beams in the middle are essentially zapping the ground. If they zap people, why don't they do bad things to the ground?
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I'm kid of surprised that an alien race as advanced as the Espheni don't have some kind of wireless technology to get power to a fence instead of having to tether it to a ship.
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If they wanted it to act more solid, I'm not sure making it more of a closed lattice would have been any harder to create in FX.
Maybe the production company charges for effects on a per-pixel basis. Green crisscrossing lasers cover a small percentage of the screen, so they're cheaper.
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I couldn't get past the fact that they've got enough explosives to bring down a building, but they don't just use that to blow up the fence post and its accompanying tether in one big boom. No Faraday suit or convenient hand/footholds required.
The Faraday guy commented on this and said it wouldn't work. Can't recall what his exact words were though.

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Maybe the production company charges for effects on a per-pixel basis. Green crisscrossing lasers cover a small percentage of the screen, so they're cheaper.
In that case, they could have just gone the Star Trek route and just had a solid invisible energy barrier indicated only by lights on the posts. No post FX required.
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LOST had the "sonic fence" around the DHARMA compound which required no visual vfx at all, just some foley effects and makeup showing ear and nose bleeds from the afflicted. That's how you do it cheap!
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While that would have done the job, the posts would have needed some indicator lights to turn off when the power is cut, just for the sake of Tom being able to know it the plan worked or not when he takes his high dive.
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Anything important happen in the second episode. The DVR gods saw fit to purge it. Go to watch show and I see The Mechanic.

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Nothing special....

Spoiler!
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Nothing special....
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Spoiler!

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for the sake of Tom being able to know it the plan worked or not when he takes his high dive.
That reminds me: how did he survive that? I didn't notice a parachute, a giant stack of pillows at the base of the building, a swimming pool, a trampoline, or anything to break his fall, yet somehow he was fine.
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