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Actually... the odds probably favor bad/mean people surviving the first wave... because the bad/mean people will already be stepping on people to save themselves at the expense of others.

So... unfortunately, in a disaster scenario that doesn't necessarily favor brain over brawn OR niceness over selfishness... it probably means the nice people surviving will be in the minority.

...and the nice ones that do survive don't stay nice for long when it's a choice between survival and morals...

To be honest, it's more likely that most of the survivors would be homeless people and bunker militias since they would use the same technique: lie low so the enemy can't find you and enjoy your new diet of Dinty Moore and SPAM.


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To be honest, it's more likely that most of the survivors would be homeless people and bunker militias.

as well as being the most well equiped mentally to continue survival ..

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Actually... the odds probably favor bad/mean people surviving the first wave... because the bad/mean people will already be stepping on people to save themselves at the expense of others.

So... unfortunately, in a disaster scenario that doesn't necessarily favor brain over brawn OR niceness over selfishness... it probably means the nice people surviving will be in the minority.

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as well as being the most well equiped mentally to continue survival ..

I think a lot of people generally underestimate just how many mental casualties would be inflicted by an alien attack. I suspect a decent portion of the human population would just emotionally shutdown from shock. An alien invasion and the resulting human extermination is something that our relatively bloodless society is not equiped to deal with.
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I agree with the apparent majority - mediocre at best, but will probably stay with it a while. I get that it will take a while to flesh out some stories, like the why and wherefore of the invasion itself (this is more about dealing with the situation than why it happened). But, I found myself surprised at the lack of involvement or even interest in most of the characters. Like someone else said, I didn't really care which of them might not make it. Though, the two hot blondes would get my vote to stay.

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IVirtually every actor in Falling Skys was painfully miscast, beginning with the easy going pretty boy from central casting, Noah Wylie, playing a hardbitten fighting man. Puhlease! The actor playing Wylie's son is 25, although Wylie was only 39 when the series began. To put it gently, that doesn't work.

I thought Noah Wylie was fine. By the way, he didn't play a hardbitten fighting man, he played a teacher who was pressed into service. Kind of a cliche that he could be an effective fighter, all right, but that's SOP for action films. And both sons looked age appropriate in relation to their dad, in my opinion.

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I thought Noah Wylie was fine. By the way, he didn't play a hardbitten fighting man, he played a teacher who was pressed into service. Kind of a cliche that he could be an effective fighter, all right, but that's SOP for action films. And both sons looked age appropriate in relation to their dad, in my opinion.

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I thought Noah Wylie was fine. By the way, he didn't play a hardbitten fighting man, he played a teacher who was pressed into service. Kind of a cliche that he could be an effective fighter, all right, but that's SOP for action films. And both sons looked age appropriate in relation to their dad, in my opinion.

Don't be picky.

I suggest I am not being unreasonably picky in this case and stand by my assessment that Noah Wylie was painfully miscast. If it is your position that there is anything realistic about a 25 year old actor playing the mid teen son of a 39 year old actor playing his father, that's up to you, I could say that you seem to going out of your way to apologize for the show's casting weaknesses but I'm too nice a guy to do that. I can live with our disagreement, though, as I am sure you can.
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I suggest I am not being unreasonably picky in this case and stand by my assessment that Noah Wylie was painfully miscast. If it is your position that there is anything realistic about a 25 year old actor playing the mid teen son of a 39 year old actor playing his father, that's up to you, I could say that you seem to going out of your way to apologize for the show's casting weaknesses but I'm too nice a guy to do that. I can live with our disagreement, though, as I am sure you can.

So, Lea Michelle was 23 years old when she began playing a high school Junior in Glee. Noah Wylie looks very young for his age. Put the two together and they could easily be father-daughter, in TV land......

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So, Lea Michelle was 23 years old when she began playing a high school Junior in Glee. Noah Wylie looks very young for his age. Put the two together and they could easily be father-daughter, in TV land......

I am a big fan of Glee and accept the advanced ages of its stars. For example Cory Monteith is 29 and Lea Michelle will turn 25 this summer but both play high school kids on Glee. But they can sing and dance, or in Monteith's case sort of dance. I can accept that in a show like Glee, which is a throwback to the old '20s and '30s musicals where what little plot there was existed only as a platform for the real stars of the show, the singing and dancing. In a supposedly gritty drama like Falling Skies, though, those kinds of casting decisions are a big distraction to me at least. I am glad it doesn't bother you but in order not to unduly prolong all of this why don't we just agree to disagree and move on?
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Moving on....

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Who cares about the actors' ages? They're not playing themselves. I bought the kid as a high school athlete, maybe 18, and I bought Wylie as old enough to be his father, maybe 40.

I generally try to judge shows by what's actually on the screen. I thought the casting was fine, aside from a clear tendency to favor hot blondes with guns.

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I realize that I am in the minority here, but I liked the show when I first saw the pilot, and liked it even more when I re-watched it last night. I picked up on some of the themes that I didn't pay much attention to the first time. Some of these directly answer the nits I have read in this forum.

1) The aliens don't have good weapons: The aliens took over and wiped out 90% of the Earth's population in less than 6 months. I would say they have pretty good weapons. They are also toying with the remaining population. If the humans use small arms only, they react in kind. It seems the resistance in South Boston escalated to RPG's, and were promptly repayed with a nuke. It appears that their air to ground weapons are tailored to fit the situation. One shot by the flying ship took out all of John Pope's men.

2) It is stupid that the Second Mass. can walk around in daylight: The show dealt with this directly. When the aliens first came, they came quickly and in mass numbers. They did the major population purges then. Remember the town where all of the popultion was hearded together, the kids taken and the rest nuked? So now the great majority of the aliens are gone (where we don't know), and those remaining are being very systematic in dealing with the survivors.

Tom, the Captain and the General discussed the strategy of creating multiple groups of 300. The aliens currently can (I think by choice) auto detect groups of humans of 500 or more. I think it's more about the most efficient use of their resources. The talk went somthing like: "What happens when they target groups of 300? We'll split into smaller groups. So are we going to keep splitting into smaller and smaller groups until they target and kill single people?"

The aliens detect humans by heat, (maybe bright light) and sound. It seems that they currently have their air and/or orbit sensors set to detect larger heat signatures. That's why the flares drew a ship. But, once again, the aliens didn't bother to mop up. One tactical bomb and back home. They are very efficient in the use of their current soldiers and resources. They are now mostly concerned with controlling the city of Boston. They set aside small squads in trap areas (food stores and the armory). They are taking out the larger groups of humans outside of the city first. If you don't think the alien strategy is realistic enough for you, it's your right to complain. But it's not a flaw in the writing.

3) Tom's history lessons: Have you ever been to a dinner party withh a college professor? Besides, even the writers are having fun with it. Hal to Tom; "Dad, can you lay off the history lessons around the guys?" I kind of like this, and think it is being set up to be a very important element in the plot as to how to defeat the aliens (Tom already mentioned tunneling under the main Boston ship)

4) I hate the writing style: Ok, so you do. I think it is written much less in soap opera style than were V, Heroes or Flash Forward. The characters are being given some nuance. For instance, Captain Weaver could go from, "I don't care what you think, it's an order" to waiting silently and checking his watch while the group has a "normal" moment watching the kids on the skateboard before nodding to Tom to break it up to leave. Or, the Captain giving it to Tom about his errors in getting captured at the Armory and then letting him go to find his son.

The conversations between Tom and John Pope are witty. The writers even had fun with that. John complained about the lack of good conversation with his less than educated gang. Tom's invitation for John to join the resistance was baited with: "At least there will be good conversation."

There is just a hint of humor, which is appropriate in this part of the story. Tom telling his son to "get a room", when he had already done so, followed by the warning about the paper thin walls after the men in the next room made it clear they could hear everything. There is even some dark humor. "What do you think he's thinking...Nothing now." Or "Cueball thought he was better because he brought chocolate...he wasn't."

The previews hint of much more mystery involving the aliens. I can't wait for tonight's episode. Flame away if that is your penchant. But I invite those that enjoy the show to post about your thoughts on what's going to happen, the cool parts you remember, and the little things that some might have missed. (I want a good shot of a skitter's back to see if a harness is there).
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Who cares about the actors' ages? They're not playing themselves. I bought the kid as a high school athlete, maybe 18, and I bought Wylie as old enough to be his father, maybe 40.

I've said it before but because it's possible you missed my post I'll say it again: "in order not to unduly prolong all of this why don't we just agree to disagree and move on?"
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I've said it before but because it's possible you missed my post I'll say it again: "in order not to unduly prolong all of this why don't we just agree to disagree and move on?"

Why? Because you don't get to express your opinion and then tell me not to express mine, that's why.

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I realize that I am in the minority here, but I liked the show when I first saw the pilot, and liked it even more when I re-watched it last night. I picked up on some of the themes that I didn't pay much attention to the first time. Some of these directly answer the nits I have read in this forum.

1) The aliens don't have good weapons: The aliens took over and wiped out 90% of the Earth's population in less than 6 months. I would say they have pretty good weapons. They are also toying with the remaining population. If the humans use small arms only, they react in kind. It seems the resistance in South Boston escalated to RPG's, and were promptly repayed with a nuke. It appears that their air to ground weapons are tailored to fit the situation. One shot by the flying ship took out all of John Pope's men.

2) It is stupid that the Second Mass. can walk around in daylight: The show dealt with this directly. When the aliens first came, they came quickly and in mass numbers. They did the major population purges then. Remember the town where all of the popultion was hearded together, the kids taken and the rest nuked? So now the great majority of the aliens are gone (where we don't know), and those remaining are being very systematic in dealing with the survivors.

Tom, the Captain and the General discussed the strategy of creating multiple groups of 300. The aliens currently can (I read choose) to auto detect groups of humans of 500 or more. I think it's more about the most efficient use of their resources. The talk went somthing like: "What happens when they target groups of 300? We'll split into smaller groups. So are we going to keep splitting into smaller and smaller groups until they target and kill single people?"

The aliens detect humans by heat, (maybe bright light) and sound. It seems that they currently have their air and/or orbit sensors set to detect larger heat signatures. That's why the flares drew a ship. But, once again, the aliens didn't bother to mop up. One tactical bomb and back home. They are very efficient in the use of their current soldiers and resources. They are now mostly concerned with controlling the city of Boston. They set aside small squads in trap areas (food stores and the armory). They are taking out the larger groups of humans outside of the city first. If you don't think the alien strategy is realistic enough for you, it's your right to complain. But it's not a flaw in the writing.

3) Tom's history lessons: Have you ever been to a dinner party withh a college professor? Besides, even the writers are having fun with it. Hal to Tom; "Dad, can you lay off the history lessons around the guys?" I kind of like this, and think it is being set up to be a very important element in the plot as to how to defeat the aliens (Tom already mentioned tunneling under the main Boston ship)

4) I hate the writing style: Ok, so you do. I think it is written much less in soap opera style than were V, Heroes or Flash Forward. The characters are being given some nuance. For instance, Captain Weaver could go from, "I don't care what you think, it's an order" to waiting silently and checking his watch while the group has a "normal" moment watching the kids on the skateboard before nodding to Tom to break it up to leave. Or, the Captain giving it to Tom about his errors in getting captured at the Armory and then letting him go to find his son.

The conversations between Tom and John Pope are witty. The writers even had fun with that. John complained about the lack of good conversation with his less than educated gang. Tom's invitation for John to join the resistance was baited with: "At least there will be good conversation."

There is just a hint of humor, which is appropriate in this part of the story. Tom telling his son to "get a room", when he had already done so, followed by the warning about the paper thin walls after the men in the next room made it clear they could hear everything. There is even some dark humor. "What do you think he's thinking...Nothing now." Or "Cueball thought he was better because he brought chocolate...he wasn't."

The previews hint of much more mystery involving the aliens. I can't wait for tonight's episode. Flame away if that is your penchant. But I invite those that enjoy the show to post about the your thoughts on what's going to happen, the cool parts you remember, and the little things that some might have missed. (I want a good shot of a skitter's back to see if a harness is there).

Well put. Thanks. Learned a lot that I missed and inspired me to watch a little closer tonite. Wonder if the skitter's can see in different spectrums a la "Predators"?

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4) I hate the writing style: Ok, so you do. I think it is written much less in soap opera style than were V, Heroes or Flash Forward. The characters are being given some nuance. For instance, Captain Weaver could go from, "I don't care what you think, it's an order" to waiting silently and checking his watch while the group has a "normal" moment watching the kids on the skateboard before nodding to Tom to break it up to leave. Or, the Captain giving it to Tom about his errors in getting captured at the Armory and then letting him go to find his son.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. They went out of their way to avoid two dimensional cardboard stereotypes as much as possible in the pilot. I hope that trend continues.
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I thought tonights show was a step up. I enjoyed it and hated to see it end. That was pretty dark when they killed the kids.
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The jury's still out but I heard the fat lady warming up.

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I enjoyed both the pilot and last night's episode. I like the little bits they are revealing about the aliens, and their interest in humans.
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Pretty bad for the most part. Having the father of the captured kid stand up and run to his kid was oh so lame, especially after the previous week of the kid breaking cover for the dog. I almost turned it off after that scene. There is still not enough logic to the writing. Why, oh why, would the aliens have the kids collecting small scrap metal when there are tons of cars around? Digging up organic material would make more sense. The scenes with the collared kids would actually be a lot better if they showed signs of rebellion, but lacked the ability to totally resist. The nice family and kid moments are probably necessary to pull in some demographics, but my reference for good sci-fi is Battle Star Galactica and Lost. Lost had Walt, but never did that character require over the top coddling. BSG stayed away from the cutesy kid that was in the original for a reason. This show is closer to Land of the Lost.
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I'm enjoying the show, but one thing that jumped out at me last night--Pope's brother was killed by the blonde girl (sorry, bad with names on shows like this) but he doesn't seem to care at all. He seems more concerned with poaching chicken than getting revenge for his brother. Maybe he's laying low and waiting for his chance, but that's not the impression that I'm getting. (unless I'm screwing up characters and that wasn't his brother, but I think it was).
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I think a lot of people generally underestimate just how many mental casualties would be inflicted by an alien attack. I suspect a decent portion of the human population would just emotionally shutdown from shock. An alien invasion and the resulting human extermination is something that our relatively bloodless society is not equiped to deal with.

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I thought tonights show was a step up. I enjoyed it and hated to see it end. That was pretty dark when they killed the kids.

Agreed. Second ep better than the first. I will be tuning in again!

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I'm enjoying the show, but one thing that jumped out at me last night--Pope's brother was killed by the blonde girl (sorry, bad with names on shows like this) but he doesn't seem to care at all. He seems more concerned with poaching chicken than getting revenge for his brother. Maybe he's laying low and waiting for his chance, but that's not the impression that I'm getting. (unless I'm screwing up characters and that wasn't his brother, but I think it was).

Has anyone told him his brother was killed? I missed that.
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