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By my watch a 96 minute opener. Plenty of time to establish the main family and a few opposing Cardinals.

The action kicks in right from the start. Irons was made for the part. Evil in robes. Hopefully, the series will not play like the Tudors or Rome. We shall see.

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Hopefully, the series will not play like the Tudors or Rome.

They should be so lucky.
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I've got it recorded,hope to watch it soon. sure looks interesting

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They should be so lucky.

No doubt it will play loose with actual history. My hope is Irons will make it worth watching. After a second view, the modernized dialog sinks in.
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The question is, will this story play similar to the Assassin's Creed 2 version Because that version is awesome!!

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This one's right up my alley -- gorgeous scenery being deliciously chewed.
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Anyone know whether this was shot on film or with what digital cameras? Couldn't find anything yesterday at IMDB.com or a few other sites. Thanks. -- John

Looks like, from various sites, they used Arri digital cameras such as the D-21 or Alexa.

EDIT2: A short You Tube video on the Arri Alexa used:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afxOboBVFpM
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I'm lost. I thought the premiere was tonight at 9pm on Showtime????
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I'm lost. I thought the premiere was tonight at 9pm on Showtime????


It is, for broadcast...but it has also been available earlier via OnDemand.

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Looks like a renaissance Sopranos!

http://www.thenewspeakeasy.com/conte...-baby-The-Borg

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I cancelled Showtime, and HBO too, several months ago because I decided I wasn't getting enough for my money. I haven't changed my mind but had some pangs of regret when Season 5 of Dexter ran and am having them again over the Borgias. I hope that BB is still around when the BDs of these two series come out.
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I cancelled Showtime, and HBO too, several months ago because I decided I wasn't getting enough for my money. I haven't changed my mind but had some pangs of regret when Season 5 of Dexter ran and am having them again over the Borgias. I hope that BB is still around when the BDs of these two series come out.

I dumped HBO (and STARZ) as well. Kept Showtime/TMC because they are the only premium network that shows movies in OAR. THE BORGIAS is another perk!

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Looks like a renaissance Sopranos!

http://www.thenewspeakeasy.com/conte...-baby-The-Borg

The Godfather series is a better reference. Check out the tidbit at the bottom of this page

http://www.reformation.org/girolamo-savonarola.html
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I lasted about 45 min before turning to something else. I'll go back and watch the rest later, but it wasn't too interesting.
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Looks like a renaissance Sopranos!

http://www.thenewspeakeasy.com/conte...-baby-The-Borg

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The Godfather series is a better reference. Check out the tidbit at the bottom of this page

http://www.reformation.org/girolamo-savonarola.html


Did not know that about the Godfather. Very interesting.

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I cancelled Showtime, and HBO too, several months ago because I decided I wasn't getting enough for my money. I haven't changed my mind but had some pangs of regret when Season 5 of Dexter ran and am having them again over the Borgias. I hope that BB is still around when the BDs of these two series come out.

I subscribe and un-subscribe to each of them periodically strictly for original series.

Picked up HBO+Cinemax last week in anticipation of Game of Thrones (2 for 1 and $5 off for three months = $11/month).

Picked up Showtime today for Nurse Jackie, United States of Tara and The Borgias ($5 off also for 3 months plus a $25 rebate = -$1).

So, for a total of $32 over the next 3 months I get to watch all my shows, and will do it again later in the year.

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Man, being the Pope is hard. Everyone is telling you that you must remain chased of beautiful women, but I would totally be like "I want them to catch me".
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Man, being the Pope is hard. Everyone is telling you that you must remain chased of beautiful women, but I would totally be like "I want them to catch me".

The word being used is "chaste", not "chased". As in give up sexual relations (in theory).

I say "in theory" as we could see how well that was working out.
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I liked it and found it entertaining and very well done. Jeremy Irons is so much better in his pivotal role than Jos. Fiennes is in his in Camelot. And the intrigue in this one is much more developed. I'll watch both, but so far, Borgias is far superior to Camelot, IMO.

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Man, being the Pope is hard. Everyone is telling you that you must remain chased of beautiful women, but I would totally be like "I want them to catch me".

Please tell me this is a joke.
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This series " The Borgias" has potential. So far the acting is typically "English stage" and well done.

The story line develops quickly... and we were immersed with action.

Camelot... not so much. Hoping it gets "better"... but the guy playing "Arthur" seems a little too "Wimpy" for the role.
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Please tell me this is a joke.

Okay, for his sake we'll assume it's a joke and also assume he didn't think when they said "simony" was afoot, that they meant Cowell was about to insult someone.

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Did a Wiki on the "real" Borgias. I was curious about their Spanish backgrounds as I thought they were merchant princes from Milan. Turns out I was wrong. I may have run across some spoilers, so I won't share, but a curious fact did come out. Turns out Giovanni, the soldier, was the eldest, not Ceasare, the cleric. I'm curious as to why they flipped it around in the series. It seems a very minor and unimportant detail...maybe it was how they cast the roles. Oakes (Giovanni) does look younger than the guy who plays Ceasare.

There's also another German production of the Borgias dated 2011 listed on Wiki as well. Wonder what that ones like.

Edit: Oops, I looked on IMDB. Oakes plays Juan Borgia, not Giovanni. Giovanni evidently hasn't appeared yet. So Ceasare is elder to Juan. However, in history Giovanni was the soldier and Ceasare the Cardinal who wanted to be a soldier.

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Maybe I was to subtle. If you look at the grammar you can see it's a joke meant to highlight how the actors were pronouncing chaste.
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Maybe I was to subtle. If you look at the grammar you can see it's a joke meant to highlight how the actors were pronouncing chaste.

Whew, that's good. But, if you don't mind, I still got a good laugh out of flint350's comment.
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Did a Wiki on the "real" Borgias. I was curious about their Spanish backgrounds as I thought they were merchant princes from Milan. Turns out I was wrong. I may have run across some spoilers, so I won't share, but a curious fact did come out. Turns out Giovanni, the soldier, was the eldest, not Ceasare, the cleric. I'm curious as to why they flipped it around in the series. It seems a very minor and unimportant detail...maybe it was how they cast the roles. Oakes (Giovanni) does look younger than the guy who plays Ceasare.

There's also another German production of the Borgias dated 2011 listed on Wiki as well. Wonder what that ones like.

Edit: Oops, I looked on IMDB. Oakes plays Juan Borgia, not Giovanni. Giovanni evidently hasn't appeared yet. So Ceasare is elder to Juan. However, in history Giovanni was the soldier and Ceasare the Cardinal who wanted to be a soldier.

After further review it looks like Juan and Giovanni are the same guy . So the original question still applies...why did they make Ceasare the elder brother? Oakes (Juan) the actor, is in fact older than Arnaud (Ceasare). A small thing, since it looks like they are following history somewhat...though there were a few more illegitimate kids than just this 4...hell, they were all bastards.

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Got to watch this the other day during some downtime. I ahve to say I really enjoyed the 1st episode, I will for sure add the "season pass" at least to see how things turn out.
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Also got around to watching the opening yesterday, having set my DVR to capture the series. Seems reasonably well made, although wish they hadn't filtered the daylight scenes so heavily, making them look like network morning 'news/entertainment' studio shows. Quite soft PQ. Guess the Arri Alexa camera used stands out in the many simulated (or actual) dark castle scenes. With ~800 ASA sensitivity ( sublink above ) Alexas seem to provide great dark scene shots without noise, although the Alexa techie article linked mentions an early model used for a Shakespeare production also employed some noise reduction--without detail reduction, the author claims. -- John
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Surprised no one has commented yet on last night's ep. I thought they stepped it up over the previous 2, if you like to see even more betrayal, assassination and just good ol' dastardly deeds. I'm liking this show alot. Loved the Last Supper tableau.

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