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It was burned out until they replaced it with House Bolton. Once House Bolton took over they showed the "rebuilding" with their sigil. What don't you know about? That was a pretty in depth article on how decisions are made and how much work it actually takes to get changes or additions done.


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If there is any truth to the rumor on Jon that's floated around the Web since season 1 or 2, the clues reside within any discussion Jon has had with Maester Aemon Targaryen .. and Aemon pretty much confirmed Ned was Jon's father ... at least that's how I see it .. Ned telling Jon he would talk about his mother does not imply in any way anything other than a talk ..
How would anything Aemon said confirm that?

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How would anything Aemon said confirm that?
Season 1, Episode 9 ...

Maester Aemon: Tell me, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?
Jon Snow: No.
Maester Aemon: So they will not love. Love is the death of duty. If the day should ever come when your lord father was forced to choose between honor on the one hand and those he loves on the other, what would he do?
Jon Snow: He... He would do whatever was right. No matter what.
Maester Aemon: Then Lord Stark is one man in 10,000. Most of us are not so strong. What is honor compared to a woman's love? And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?

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Season 1, Episode 9 ...

Maester Aemon: Tell me, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?
Jon Snow: No.
Maester Aemon: So they will not love. Love is the death of duty. If the day should ever come when your lord father was forced to choose between honor on the one hand and those he loves on the other, what would he do?
Jon Snow: He... He would do whatever was right. No matter what.
Maester Aemon: Then Lord Stark is one man in 10,000. Most of us are not so strong. What is honor compared to a woman's love? And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?
Hmm, I don't think it really confirms anything. Only one of his 3 examples would apply to Ned/Jon/Catelyn/Other Woman. You could take that as a possible clue, but I wouldn't see it that way in this instance, and certainly not as a confirmation.

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That wasn't meant as a negative statement so sorry if that's how it sounded. My wife just happened to point that out last night while watching the opening sequence.

No need to apologize the House Bolton has been there since at least the beginning of this season and I want to say the end of last.


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Season 1, Episode 9 ...

Maester Aemon: Tell me, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?
Jon Snow: No.
Maester Aemon: So they will not love. Love is the death of duty. If the day should ever come when your lord father was forced to choose between honor on the one hand and those he loves on the other, what would he do?
Jon Snow: He... He would do whatever was right. No matter what.
Maester Aemon: Then Lord Stark is one man in 10,000. Most of us are not so strong. What is honor compared to a woman's love? And what is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms? Or a brother's smile?
Don't forget who Aemon is. He could as easily (in my mind, more easily) be talking about himself, and the life and family he left behind for the sake of honor. If anyone can actually answer those questions, it's Aemon.

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Putting weapons in the hands of religious nut balls is never a good idea. I wonder to what end Cersei did that, if I understand it right.
I missed why she's doing this in the first place--just to gain more of an army & power?

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I missed why she's doing this in the first place--just to gain more of an army & power?
To cause some grief for Margaery. By using a semi-autonomous group to attack/abduct Loras she can feign a lack of control over how to get him released. End result being Margaery is off home to get help, which is what Cersei wants, Margaery gone. Why Margarery has to go home to do that is puzzling to me though, why couldn't she just send a messenger? I suppose she feels her position in Kings Landing is tenuous at best at this point and leaving seems like the prudent move.
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To cause some grief for Margaery. By using a semi-autonomous group to attack/abduct Loras she can feign a lack of control over how to get him released. End result being Margaery is off home to get help, which is what Cersei wants, Margaery gone.
aah, got it-thanks.

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To cause some grief for Margaery. By using a semi-autonomous group to attack/abduct Loras she can feign a lack of control over how to get him released. End result being Margaery is off home to get help, which is what Cersei wants, Margaery gone. Why Margarery has to go home to do that is puzzling to me though, why couldn't she just send a messenger? I suppose she feels her position in Kings Landing is tenuous at best at this point and leaving seems like the prudent move.
Margaery can't leave because that leaves Tommen alone under Cersei's gentle care. He could divorce her claiming abandonment or some other foolishness that Cersei comes up with.

Tyrion is gone, Tywin is gone, her uncle is gone and Jaime is irrelevant and also gone. She is fully free to be as crazy as she can be.
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Margaery can't leave because that leaves Tommen alone under Cersei's gentle care. He could divorce her claiming abandonment or some other foolishness that Cersei comes up with.

Tyrion is gone, Tywin is gone, her uncle is gone and Jaime is irrelevant and also gone. She is fully free to be as crazy as she can be.
I've forgotten - who is the Hand of the King now that Tywin is no more?
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Margaery can't leave because that leaves Tommen alone under Cersei's gentle care. He could divorce her claiming abandonment or some other foolishness that Cersei comes up with.

Tyrion is gone, Tywin is gone, her uncle is gone and Jaime is irrelevant and also gone. She is fully free to be as crazy as she can be.
Well yes, and that's what makes her comment about going home curious to me.
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Hmm, I don't think it really confirms anything. Only one of his 3 examples would apply to Ned/Jon/Catelyn/Other Woman. You could take that as a possible clue, but I wouldn't see it that way in this instance, and certainly not as a confirmation.

I am simply taking dialog evidence from the show .. I'm not using thinly disguised speculation taken from the Books as some do here .. we have little to no real evidence within the show itself .. however, besides Aemon's talk with Jon .. we have :

Robert Baratheon seems certain of Jon’s mother’s identity. While lunching along the King’s Road and engaging in ‘Who bedded whom?’ nostalgia, he poses the question to Ned, “Yours was, Elena. You told me once, your bastard’s mother. Meryl?” To which Ned reluctantly responds, “Wylla.”


Cat asks Ned about Jon's mother .. Ned says : “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice. “He is my blood, and that is all you need to know.” .. Cat seems frightened by Ned's attitude ..

Also, in Episode 2, before Jon and Ned part ways on the Kingsroad, Ned says, "There's great honor in serving the Night's Watch. The Starks have manned the Wall for thousands of years, and you are a Stark. You may not have my name, but you have my blood. "

It is known ..

the TV show has downplayed the mystery to the point where it seems extremely clear-cut: Eddard is Jon's father and his mother is, according to Eddard himself, a common girl named Wylla... myself, I doubt very much there will be any TV Show great mystery reveal ..



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Don't forget who Aemon is. He could as easily (in my mind, more easily) be talking about himself, and the life and family he left behind for the sake of honor. If anyone can actually answer those questions, it's Aemon.
Exactly, the question is who is left on the show that would be privy to the knowledge .. ??

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I've forgotten - who is the Hand of the King now that Tywin is no more?
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I wanted to pose a quick question a bit off track.
At the end of last season Brienne found Ayra and
During the fight with the Hound Ayra slips away.

At the beginning of this season Brienne and Pod
Stumble upon Sansa and Littlefinger in the tavern.

During the ensuing verbal exchange I wonder why
Brienne didn't mention to Sansa that Ayra was still
Alive????

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I wanted to pose a quick question a bit off track.
At the end of last season Brienne found Ayra and
During the fight with the Hound Ayra slips away.

At the beginning of this season Brienne and Pod
Stumble upon Sansa and Littlefinger in the tavern.

During the ensuing verbal exchange I wonder why
Brienne didn't mention to Sansa that Ayra was still
Alive????

It probably wasn't the 1st thing on her mind. Also, she was rejected by Arya so it probably wouldn't be best to say that. Don't forget she doesn't trust who Sansa is with so saying that would put Arya at risk.


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Every person who knows the Stark kids are alive makes them bigger targets for capture, ransom or execution.
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I don't think Aemon has any clue about Jon's heritage. He would be under the same ruse as everyone else that Ned was his father. If it's a ruse. Plus he's most likely been on the wall since before Jon's birth.

If he knew a different truth, why would he reveal it in an innocent sentence such as what was quoted earlier.
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I don't think Aemon has any clue about Jon's heritage. He would be under the same ruse as everyone else that Ned was his father. If it's a ruse. Plus he's most likely been on the wall since before Jon's birth.

If he knew a different truth, why would he reveal it in an innocent sentence such as what was quoted earlier.
I remember Aemon's dialogue - it was to remind Jon of his duty to the cause; he recounted his long lost love in the past and all he forsook to take the black.

I don't think it had to do with Jon's parentage.
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