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For the Hound I wish you luck with that bet, dead is dead and not all are shown. The Hound has even less of a story line to go with than Stannis

I definitely think the Hound is still alive...he never died on screen...he was wounded and dying but I could see someone coming along and getting him to a Maester...the Hound has had different partners throughout the various seasons (Joffrey, Sansa, Arya) so he could easily latch on with another person or group...plus I think the show has hinted from the beginning that the end game for him is 1 final face off between the Mountain vs the Hound...the Hounds' face got scarred because of his brother and I think he will get his vengeance before the series is over
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I definitely think the Hound is still alive...he never died on screen...he was wounded and dying but I could see someone coming along and getting him to a Maester...the Hound has had different partners throughout the various seasons (Joffrey, Sansa, Arya) so he could easily latch on with another person or group...plus I think the show has hinted from the beginning that the end game for him is 1 final face off between the Mountain vs the Hound...the Hounds' face got scarred because of his brother and I think he will get his vengeance before the series is over

Stannis didn't die on screen and neither did Shireen but they still happened you don't need to die on screen to be dead dead.


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Stannis didn't die on screen and neither did Shireen but they still happened you don't need to die on screen to be dead dead

Shireen was not escaping being tied up and burnt in a fire...Stannis was not escaping Brienne's sword (unless she missed on purpose and decided to keep him as a prisoner instead)...with the Hound no one was actively in the act of killing him...he was gravely wounded but who knows how much time he had left...not making his death definitive leaves open the possibility of a return...if GRRM and/or the showrunners wanted him dead dead they would have left no doubt
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Stannis didn't die on screen and neither did Shireen but they still happened you don't need to die on screen to be dead dead.
True, but the Hound still has to kill the Mountain, errr rekill To have all this build up of the zombie Mountain only to have him kill by some random person would be a huge let down at this point.


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Dead is dead and that's not something I think the actor or the creators want to backtrack on. JS is dead dead, the way out and what I have been thinking is that he "could" come back redirected as someone else. If you want JS however, that was the last of him.
Sorry this isn't Lost, dead isn't dead, ask Beric Dondarrion. Let me quantify this even more then, Kit Harington will be back playing a character strongly resembling Jon Snow.
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True, but the Hound still has to kill the Mountain, errr rekill To have all this build up of the zombie Mountain only to have him kill by some random person would be a huge let down at this point.









Sorry this isn't Lost, dead isn't dead, ask Beric Dondarrion. Let me quantify this even more then, Kit Harington will be back playing a character strongly resembling Jon Snow.

Dead is dead, when it comes to certain characters. As I have said before JS may be dead, but that doesn't mean KH won't come back as someone "new". If this were lost then people could come back via time travel and flash backs and other means. Take a look at the interviews and the Behind the episode....

As far as the mountain goes there are many people who want him dead. The Hound is not the only one who could serve out justice and at least one of the others is still alive and has already dealt some of her own revenge.


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Shireen was not escaping being tied up and burnt in a fire...Stannis was not escaping Brienne's sword (unless she missed on purpose and decided to keep him as a prisoner instead)...with the Hound no one was actively in the act of killing him...he was gravely wounded but who knows how much time he had left...not making his death definitive leaves open the possibility of a return...if GRRM and/or the showrunners wanted him dead dead they would have left no doubt

He was in the middle of nowhere bleeding out and was not able to get up and walk anywhere. That pretty much sealed the deal if what you say is true anyone who hasn't died on screen has a "chance" to come back that just isn't the case.


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John Snow will return to the story... somehow. Just like Gandalf in LoTR, these characters of prophecy need to die and be "reborn" to reach their true power.

Cersei needs to clear her name and get full legal power back. She could welcome a trial now, and use the Westeros "trial by combat" to clear her name. Her champion would of course be Franken-Mountain.

The Dothraki are a primitive culture that only respects the horse and rider, they will be impressed by a rider on a flying dragon, if she can reunite with him. Although, I don't know how a barbarian horde will help Daenerys anymore in Meereen than the Unsullied did.

Sansa and Theon/Reek grew up playing in the snow around Winterfell. They probably jumped from castle walls into high snow drifts many times (but that fall in the show did appear a little unbelievable.)
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He was in the middle of nowhere bleeding out and was not able to get up and walk anywhere. That pretty much sealed the deal if what you say is true anyone who hasn't died on screen has a "chance" to come back that just isn't the case.


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True, but the Hound still has to kill the Mountain, errr rekill To have all this build up of the zombie Mountain only to have him kill by some random person would be a huge let down at this point.




Sorry this isn't Lost, dead isn't dead, ask Beric Dondarrion. Let me quantify this even more then, Kit Harington will be back playing a character strongly resembling Jon Snow.
Is that a stealth book reference?
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Is that a stealth book reference?
Never read them so not intentionally. It just make too much sense for the Hound to kill his older brother, especially now with FrankenMountain who i'm betting will be shown as nay unstoppable. And since the one question that George asked B&W before they started the show was about Jon Snow....well that speaks for itself.
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Sansa and Theon jumped in a giant hill of pulver snow and Ellaria swallowed the antidode right after her nose bagan to bleed.

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Sansa and Theon jumped in a giant hill of pulver snow and Ellaria swallowed the antidode right after her nose bagan to bleed.
Any chance Jamie's buddy might still have some of the antidote with him?
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They killed Myranda.

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Any chance Jamie's buddy might still have some of the antidote with him?

If you are talking about Bronn, then no he drank it all to heal himself.


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John Snow will return to the story... somehow. Just like Gandalf in LoTR, these characters of prophecy need to die and be "reborn" to reach their true power.

Cersei needs to clear her name and get full legal power back. She could welcome a trial now, and use the Westeros "trial by combat" to clear her name. Her champion would of course be Franken-Mountain.

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Sansa and Theon/Reek grew up playing in the snow around Winterfell. They probably jumped from castle walls into high snow drifts many times (but that fall in the show did appear a little unbelievable.)

The trial by combat I don't think will apply in this type of trial. They do not fall under the rules of Westeros as they are held and judged by a religious group.


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They killed Myranda.

Theon killed her.

And she was one of Theon's two "girlfriends" having a good time with him, right before he lost his.... parts.

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Never read them so not intentionally. It just make too much sense for the Hound to kill his older brother, especially now with FrankenMountain who i'm betting will be shown as nay unstoppable. And since the one question that George asked B&W before they started the show was about Jon Snow....well that speaks for itself.
The hound is dead and staying that way. Nothing in the show alluded to anything else. Want to know for sure? See if the actor that played him is under contract for next season. I'm quite sure it's no. Regarding JS, the plausible return is resurrection by the red witch. I don't think he needs to have changed any either- the resurrection did not seem to alter berric (sp?) much. Did George ask b&w about "JS" or did he ask them to name the character? Big difference in making your point.
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Out of everything that has happened... Tyrion Lannister - still going strong!

Oh, and I think Jon Snow is still alive, or significant to the story in some way, in any case. The extended death scene seems like a not-so-subtle clue that he'll be around in some capacity.

Same with Sansa and Theon.

I guess I'm just an optimist at heart
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Theon killed her.

And she was one of Theon's two "girlfriends"having a good time with him, right before he lost his.... parts.
Yup, she was the one who rode him. This scene was hot hot hot.

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If you are talking about Bronn, then no he drank it all to heal himself.


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Well, they did have an exchange on the dock, she could have slipped him some or possibly poisoned him too, she bit him on the ear, LOL
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Kit Harrington has clearly indicated on the record that he is not coming back .. as well as debunked the fabricated rumors over his contract being extended thru Season 6 ...


And, the thread has grown to be chock full of spoilers ... intentional or not, they are here ..
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Well, they did have an exchange on the dock, she could have slipped him some or possibly poisoned him too, she bit him on the ear, LOL

She likes him lol, she doesn't need to poison him any longer


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Kit Harrington has clearly indicated on the record that he is not coming back .. as well as debunked the fabricated rumors over his contract being extended thru Season 6 ...


And, the thread has grown to be chock full of spoilers ... intentional or not, they are here ..

Tis what happens when the other thread is slow this thread tends to stay active. Sometimes people do it just to be aholes......I guess some cleanup has happened, or I scrolled over the spoilers. Haven't seen anything crazy posted except for speculation. You may be referring to the casting news which normally our thread is good about keeping out. I have a feeling though that a leak this early could be a fake out.


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Tis what happens when the other thread is slow this thread tends to stay active. Sometimes people do it just to be aholes......I guess some cleanup has happened, or I scrolled over the spoilers. Haven't seen anything crazy posted except for speculation. You may be referring to the casting news which normally our thread is good about keeping out. I have a feeling though that a leak this early could be a fake out.
The other thread has always been slower post wise .. Harrington is not coming back .. if his persona is manifested in anything, it won't be Harrington playing it ..


This season, he has done everything possible to stay in the public eye .. likely at the advice of his agent, knowing he would not be back / get all the exposure you can now ..


.. Season 6 is said to start filming in July I believe ..


“I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.”


The episode’s director, David Nutter, confirmed Jon Snow’s demise in similarly unflinching terms, telling Variety, “I can say emphatically that Jon Snow is definitely dead.”


As for Harington, he’s already begun to turn the page: “I’m looking for movies for next year,” he said. “I’m in a very lucky place—I can turn things down and do what I want to do. There’s a couple movies I’m looking at, but I can’t really talk about them yet. I might take a holiday. I might try writing. I’m trying to figure it out.”


When asked point-blank of Snow is firmly gone—as in, is actor Kit Harington released from his Thrones contract?—showrunner Dan Weiss told EW, “Dead is dead.”


“We would hope that after seeing the scene and the way it’s shot that the answer to that will be unambiguous in the minds of the people watching it,” Weiss explained. “It should be pretty clear what happens in by the time you’re done seeing that scene ..

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It's the old Schrodinger's hound situation.

or the old Russian in the woods Sopranos analogy...we never saw him die so people always assumed he would be back again one day...sadly he never returned
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Went back and watched the episode where Melisandre visits Thoros of Myr and she seemed amazed at Thoros' ability to revive the dead, calling it "impossible." So clearly she'd never done it before. So if she is to revive Jon Snow, it will be a first for her.

The Lord of Light seems like the only true god in this show's universe. What other god on this show has revived the dead and sent shadow assassins to kill an enemy? That's why I'm so confused on how Melisandre's visions in the fire did not come to pass. What did she and Stannis see in the fire that made them so confident that Stannis would prevail? And why did it not come to pass?

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What did she and Stannis see in the fire that made them so confident that Stannis would prevail? And why did it not come to pass?

she saw a great battle in the snow...her visions are correct she just misinterpreted who was supposed to be the leader or servant of the Lord of Light
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