Originally Posted by CycloneGT
Actually Polygamy has been shown to primarily benefit women. I know that sounds wrong, but its not. The man who has multiple wives is always very wealthy. The those wives enjoy his wealth. That leaves less women available for marriage. So large numbers of poor men have no wives.
On the other hand the few instances where a woman has more than one husband usually ends up being a situation where she is married off and shared by a number of 'brothers'. She's pretty much a house slave and life sucks. I forget where I saw the segment on that, but it was counter intuitive and a little bit eye opening.
Back to Sansa, I really have rooting for a Stark Family reunion and a Ramsay on a stick moment. But this is GOT. I'm afraid he will still get a few more victories. My only hope is the vision that the Red Witch has about Jon taking back Winterfel. So I'm pretty sure he will win, but who will be left alive out of "Mellisandra, Sansa, Devos, Briene, Jon, and Pod". I'd be happy if three of the six make it.
Well, that's certainly one way to look at polygamy, but it's not at all accurate. It doesn't primarily benefit women, as many wives are married off at a *very* young age (as young as 9 or 10 even), many times to very old men, the young girls are usually uneducated and kept that way intentionally (in the case of Mormons and religious sects in particular) and no, they aren't always wealthy men. Oh, and these women are usually slaves
. They can't leave unless they secretly escape. They have no choice, they have no rights, and many times they are beaten into submission. Many women are kidnapped from other tribes/countries and sold into slavery. This has always been true, and is still true today. Some women may learn to love their captors (Stockholm syndrome), or if they are very kind to them and allow them some freedom. I know someone who was almost kidnapped back in the 90s when visiting a foreign country. She and her friend barely escaped. Today, girls are kidnapped off the streets in America and almost every country on the planet and sold into slavery all over the world. Human trafficking is alive and well in the 2000s.
I, too, would LOVE to see the Starks get their revenge on Ramsey. I think he's probably beyond redemption, as he's truly a psychopath and a sadist. He hunts people and lets his dogs eat them alive. So yea, don't much see him as a character deserving of redemption or forgiveness. Part of the fun of the show is getting to watch certain people be taken down, or actually change who they are as people.
Originally Posted by archiguy
Procreation has historically had very little to do with it and currently has none, yet polygamy still exists. It's because men make the rules, always have, and they like to have multiple sex partners. If they can do it "legally", so much the better. It's why Joseph Smith made it part of his shiny new religion, and why it's still practiced today in certain impoverished, hyper-conservative and religiously calcified parts of the world.
And doesn't that just suck for the women? Seriously though, while polygamy may be biased toward men, polyamory isn't, and apparently there is plenty of that going on in the (western) world today.
Also, if DNA samples were taken of children and parents (at least in western countries), you might be surprised at how many of the children aren't really their father's offspring. Women have a biological urge to have children with the strongest male genes, while marrying the strongest providers, and the two aren't always the same (case in point on the show, Cersei Lannister). Men, oth, have a biological urge to spread their DNA to as many women as possible. (This has all been proven scientifically.) Certainly on the show Robert proved this with all his bastard children, but he had no legitimate heirs. In addition, Courtesans and Paramours have always had work, and were sought out by wealthy monarchs who may also have had a wife. (btw, courtesans and paramours aren't the same as common street prostitutes.) Nothing much has changed in thousands of years (except prostitution is illegal now in many places, even for highly educated, refined call girls), and GoT is represents a lot of this pretty accurately, even though it's a fantasy.
Originally Posted by John dhein
Perhaps I'm wrong, but the women in those cultures had no power as unwed women, either, did they? So being attached to a rich and powerful man grants them a higher stature, even as a third or fourth wife than they would expect as an unwed woman or a wife to a "lesser" man.
That depends. In many cultures, courtesans were some of the most educated women around, and equal to their male admirers. They had to be, in order to discuss all kinds of issues. And this was true among many different cultures and countries. They were consorts to Kings and noblemen (some of the men married, some not), and sex wasn't even their primary role, although it was a large part of it. But they were educated in almost every subject, literature, art, philosophy, poetry, music, dance, strategy, politics, etc. in addition to being trained in sexual pleasure, seduction and entertainment. Sometimes they even acted as advisors, consulting on strategy in such things as war. They had wealth, and power. If a woman wanted to be educated and independent, this was her best option, because in many of those cultures (for example during the Renaissance), most women weren't allowed to read and learn, except religious studies.