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Well we don't know yet (it could be that slow acting poison like they used with Cersi's daughter. We can assume they didn't, but we don't know for sure.
They also got hit by a surprise attack where they weren't prepared for battle. I'm not sure that if I wasn't expecting a fight that I would keep my edged weapons constantly poisoned as the chance of accident is high. It's likely also possible the poison goes "stale" if not "refreshed", depending on the exact poison so that even if they had been poisoned, the poison wouldn't be active with the surprise attack.

Now maybe Euron will keel over as he presents his prize to Cersei, but I would be surprised...

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HBO is no AMC...I'm sure if none of the scripts come back as being HBO-worthy I don't think they will force a spinoff...HBO is too smart for that...that being said I'm also with you that any spinoff won't generate near the excitement for myself as the main series (especially if it's a prequel)...rumors are that the spinoff will be based on the fall of Valyria (if true that's a good setting)
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Was not Yara hanging from the bow of her own ship during the final scenes of the battle? Did Theon not focus on her before he started a pathetic dog paddle with a bit of flotsam?
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That's what I thought but I've seen so many people saying she's alive that I assumed I was wrong.
I thought the same also.

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They also got hit by a surprise attack where they weren't prepared for battle. I'm not sure that if I wasn't expecting a fight that I would keep my edged weapons constantly poisoned as the chance of accident is high. It's likely also possible the poison goes "stale" if not "refreshed", depending on the exact poison so that even if they had been poisoned, the poison wouldn't be active with the surprise attack.



Now maybe Euron will keel over as he presents his prize to Cersei, but I would be surprised...


Oh I totally agree with your assessment, we don't know if they always keep it poisoned, or only during prep for battle. I would say chances are they didn't get a chance, but I wouldn't be mad if Euron keeled over after or during presentation.
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SO what's the over/under on Syrio (Arya's trainer) reappearing?
He must be dead, otherwise the knight commander guy who killed him, can't remember his name, wouldn't have been around for Arya to kill later on.
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He must be dead, otherwise the knight commander guy who killed him, can't remember his name, wouldn't have been around for Arya to kill later on.

maybe he was one of the Faceless Men and swapped faces with someone before escaping...but I agree that he's dead...
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He must be dead, otherwise the knight commander guy who killed him, can't remember his name, wouldn't have been around for Arya to kill later on.
I agree. I think that Syrio is Wicked Witch dead, as opposed to being merely TV dead.
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HBO is no AMC...I'm sure if none of the scripts come back as being HBO-worthy I don't think they will force a spinoff...HBO is too smart for that...that being said I'm also with you that any spinoff won't generate near the excitement for myself as the main series (especially if it's a prequel)...rumors are that the spinoff will be based on the fall of Valyria (if true that's a good setting)
From what I've gathered, there are multi-scripts in development .. the one constant seems to be, they are all prequels .. makes sense ..

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I agree. I think that Syrio is Wicked Witch dead, as opposed to being merely TV dead.
Sadly, I'd have to agree ..
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I thought this was a really good episode. It ranged the span of emotions and had some great 1 on 1 scenes (Tyrion/Jon and Oleanna/Jamie). I think people may get tired of the missteps, but to me, they worked and made sense. CR to those left didn't mean anything, which was a major miscalculation.
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Agreed about the 1 on 1 scenes. Of course there was a little of Dany and Jon too which was a very important follow up scene to their earlier first meeting.

Tyrion once again gives what seems like good advice based on great inside info and understanding which turns out to be just enough out of date to be bad advice. The Lannisters once again outsmart Dany's forces. The powerful women at the council meeting she had not long ago are rapidly disappearing.

Of course that final scene with Oleanna giving a "deathbed confession" about Joffrey's assassination is something a lot of folks have been hoping to see. Tyrion vindicated but far too late to matter. Will Jamie even tell Cersei? It might not be productive to do so.

Interesting that Jon said outright "I'm not a Stark", though obviously he said it for a different reason than what we know.

Sansa is reunited with Brandon but he has changed in a confusing way to her and isn't remotely the boy she last knew. His knowledge of her wedding night was very disturbing and creepy to Sansa - that he chose that particular thing to reveal shows he has a lot to learn about not only how his power works but how to use it.
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House Tyrell wasn't much of an ally, it seems. They couldn't even keep the loyalty of the Tarleys.

So Dany has the remaining Unsullied, who are alone in a part of the continent where they're vulnerable, and the Dothraki. Did they bring their horses across the Narrow Sea?

Even if they did, they are not of much use on that island, unless they're encamped somewhere on the continent.

Seems like Dragonstone isn't necessarily the best strategic place to be, other than the dragon glass, which Dany didn't know about.

If not for the dragons, it would be easy to do a naval blockade. In fact, where do they get food from? It would be inefficient to bring it up that narrow bridge and steps. The real life island is very small and not really meant for a castle.
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wow...fantastic episode...each episode keeps getting better and better...Cersei's counter-moves are brilliant...totally not how I was expecting this battle to play out...I think most people expected Daenery's army to make relatively easy work of the Lannister's in preparation for the real war against the White Walkers...I was expecting Cersei to win a few battles but she's totally dominating right now (I'm sure that will change soon and is meant to make Dany look vulnerable)...really great strategy by Cersei...loved her revenge on Ellaria Sand and the final scene with Jamie and Lady Olenna was very well done...I'm hearing next week's episode is epic so buckle up
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wow...fantastic episode...each episode keeps getting better and better...Cersei's counter-moves are brilliant...totally not how I was expecting this battle to play out...I think most people expected Daenery's army to make relatively easy work of the Lannister's in preparation for the real war against the White Walkers...really great strategy by Cersei...loved her revenge on Ellaria Sand and the final scene with Jamie and Lady Olenna was very well done...I'm hearing next week's episode is epic so buckle up
Well without Euron, she'd be in trouble.

But I wonder if Euron bringing Yara along was a good idea. Yara could tell Cersei that Euron originally planned to ally with Dany, not her, until they made an alliance with Dany first.
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Well without Euron, she'd be in trouble.

But I wonder if Euron bringing Yara along was a good idea. Yara could tell Cersei that Euron originally planned to ally with Dany, not her, until they made an alliance with Dany first.

that's the point...she allied herself with Euron because she knew she needed to control the seas...and the fakeout with Casterly Rock was brilliant echoing a callback from an earlier season where Jamie was tricked by Robb Stark...plus Cersei also has that giant crossbow to take out the dragons and it looks like she might get the Iron Bank to support her as well...could Cersei actually end up defeating Daenerys?...I highly doubt it but the show is doing a good job of putting doubts in my mind
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No way those crossbows would work unless they have guidance tech or magic.

Or they're heat-seeking.
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It will be interesting to see what happens, but feels more and more like everyone has to band together to kill the white walkers. B. Stark appears to be the key to it all.

All this other stuff seems like filler until that reality sets in for our characters. Unite or die.
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Sansa is reunited with Brandon but he has changed in a confusing way to her and isn't remotely the boy she last knew. His knowledge of her wedding night was very disturbing and creepy to Sansa - that he chose that particular thing to reveal shows he has a lot to learn about not only how his power works but how to use it.
What a terrible and wonderful power to have, it would surely warp you, so Bran turning into an "old soul" to the point of barely being recognizable was very well done. Great acting there. I just watched the episode twice, and some of those long-overdue dialogue moments multiple times.
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B. Stark appears to be the key to it all.
"You will never walk again, but you will fly."

I really wonder when / if Bran does warg into one of Dany's Dragons, if it will be at a crucial WTF moment when suddenly one of the dragons is an all-knowing Oracle who can speak. The prophecy from the old One-Eyed raven could be that he'll warg into a raven or other natural bird.

Maybe..but I'm hoping it's a dragon he'll inhabit. If that happens I wonder if he'll be able to speak through them. That'll scare 'em. I mean, a fire breathing dragon is one thing, but one who's actually a Stark boy? Jamie better run, LOL.

Aside from warging, I mean, Bran's tactical value for information alone is priceless. Even Varys' spies can't compete with what Bran could muster. Actually, even the NSA + Google + the internet couldn't really compete with a man who can see any event, past, present, or future. It's more powerful than any army. Ok maybe not an army of the dead, but certainly any army of the living. Combine that information gathering skill with Arya's assassination skill? That's unstoppable.

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No way those crossbows would work unless they have guidance tech or magic.

Or they're heat-seeking.
Or the Lannisters built hundreds of them. And maybe put a bunch on ships too, not just King's Landing walls.

Big dragons are slow to turn, like a 747. I hesitate to bring the laws of physics into a discussion of dragons, but clearly the show is telegraphing at least one or two get killed by those arbaletes.
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could Cersei actually end up defeating Daenerys?...I highly doubt it but the show is doing a good job of putting doubts in my mind
GRR Martin has said the ending would be bittersweet. I'm sure there will be some more tragic deaths on the "good guys" team. Quite possible that every character that anyone has ever cared about in the show will die by the end. Lots of murmurs about Tyrion maybe...
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While the appearance remains great, the plotting of this epic has become a joke.

Could someone explain to me how Euron can go from Kings Landing to wherever he destroyed Yaras' fleet, back to KL, then still catch the transport for the unsullied, just after they arrive at Casterly Rock.

With an armada that can do that, why isn't he already king of the world???
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Tyrion is proving to be a major liability for Danny. Battle plans are not his strong point.

Bran could have picked ANY other event to show Sansa he can see all. Unfortunately that might push her more towards listening to little finger. And how did Arya not get to Winterfell yet? John traveled half way across the world, lol. She was like right down the street when we last saw her.
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From a realism standpoint, everyone needs to give the military maneuvering a very wide berth... it's all basically dumbed down to make it easier to digest, and allow the writers to focus on the characters as well as other aspects of the plot. The Tyrells being this super-rich house, but with all the military acumen of 6-year old child, when they're being lead by someone as seemingly intelligent as Olenna Tyrell, is a pretty hard pill to swallow. The way they portrayed it, Lyanna Mormont and her 62 Bear Island soldiers could've marched into High Garden unscathed. There was a little bit too much exposition, I feel... Olenna basically had to explain why House Tyrell ultimately lost through dialog.
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Bran could have picked ANY other event to show Sansa he can see all. Unfortunately that might push her more towards listening to little finger. And how did Arya not get to Winterfell yet? John traveled half way across the world, lol. She was like right down the street when we last saw her.


She's traveling by horse and less than half way there (she was closer to KL). Jon travelled by ship, which is faster and doesn't need to stop.
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No way those crossbows would work unless they have guidance tech or magic.

Or they're heat-seeking.
This is fun, but you all already know.

Success, or failure of this weapon, that dragon and so on, is all subject to the decisions of the writing team, more than any thing else.

Same applies to every character.

In order to assist with the story trajectory, we see how the team has altered what one would expect possible time wise for armies to advance, ships to sail, etc.

Aside from all that, I'm enjoying the composition of scenes and character dialog very much this season!
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Slight disappointment by the Bran/Sansa reunion. I mean C'MON there is soooo much to catch up on, and Bran has the key to everything. Of course they have to throw in that Bran still has a lot more to learn, and how to control it. The narrated-over battle scenes were poetic, and I didn't feel like they were forced for the sake of time dragging on. Plus as mentioned before it gave more time for the all important one-on-ones. What a great scene with Lady Olenna, one of my favorite secondary characters.

And despite Dany's headstrong arrogance ramping up to nearly epic levels, is there any doubt as to which queen is the good one and which one is evil? Nice to have been proven wrong with Yara from the previous episode - but now what is to become of her?

Technical notes. Saturday I redid my acoustically transparent screen, changing it from silver milliskin to white. What a difference! So much brighter, deeper, and Eco mode on my projector was more than enough. I will definitely have to go back to the Blu-rays and relive a few of the really dark episodes and see how many details I missed. Sound did not seem as bad this time, if not for several dBs too low. The dragon's sound effects should have been more dynamic, especially given they were being introduced to new important characters.
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