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what is up with folks not wanting to take "milk of the poppy" in this show? Jaime's refusal despite KNOWING how bad it was gonna hurt - "I'll scream very loudly"- makes me wonder if it has some known side effects. Luwin also refused it when dying at the tree.

 

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It was unexpected to see ol' Ned pop up in the "Previously...on Game of Thrones" clip at the beginning of last night's episode. tongue.gif
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what is up with folks not wanting to take "milk of the poppy" in this show? Jaime's refusal despite KNOWING how bad it was gonna hurt - "I'll scream very loudly"- makes me wonder if it has some known side effects. Luwin also refused it when dying at the tree.

Maybe Jamie was afraid that he'd wake up with his arm gone, which is what Qyburn (?) wanted to initially do. I don't trust Qyburn as a "healer".
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what is up with folks not wanting to take "milk of the poppy" in this show? Jaime's refusal despite KNOWING how bad it was gonna hurt - "I'll scream very loudly"- makes me wonder if it has some known side effects. Luwin also refused it when dying at the tree.
"Milk of the poppy" implies opium.
I sure the hell would want it.eek.gif

I guess Jaime wanted to show how tough he is to the guy.rolleyes.gif

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Maybe Jamie was afraid that he'd wake up with his arm gone, which is what Qyburn (?) wanted to initially do. I don't trust Qyburn as a "healer".
I think you're right.

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what is up with folks not wanting to take "milk of the poppy" in this show? Jaime's refusal despite KNOWING how bad it was gonna hurt - "I'll scream very loudly"- makes me wonder if it has some known side effects. Luwin also refused it when dying at the tree.

I think Jamie's reluctance to take the narcotic sprang from his fear that the maester would take his whole arm if Jamie lost consciousness. Recall that the maester wasn't entirely happy with his agreement with Jamie to merely clean the stump without amputating further. I thought Maester Luwin refused to take milk of the poppy because he knew, or at least feared, the end was near and wanted to remain completely sentient for the time he had left.
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I'm a bit lost and perhaps A.D.D. what race/species is that guy that revives upon death? (surely he can revive, his shoulder restored but not his eye?)

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Also weren't Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon poisoned via milk of the poppy(maybe I'm not remembering correctly) which Jamie may know about and be afraid it would happen to him?

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Also weren't Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon poisoned via milk of the poppy(maybe I'm not remembering correctly) which Jamie may know about and be afraid it would happen to him?
I don't know about Jon Arryn, but Robert basically had his judgement/reflexes severely impaired, which is why the boar got him. It wasn't poison as such.
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I don't know about Jon Arryn, but Robert basically had his judgement/reflexes severely impaired, which is why the boar got him. It wasn't poison as such.
It was implied that his wine was spiked by his squire, the young Lanister boy that Cersie was flogging. King Robert wanted to take the poppy at the end.
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I'm a bit lost and perhaps A.D.D. what race/species is that guy that revives upon death? (surely he can revive, his shoulder restored but not his eye?)

Beric Dondarrion is a normal man. Thoros is the priest who prayed to the red god and revived him.
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It was implied that his wine was spiked by his squire, the young Lanister boy that Cersie was flogging. King Robert wanted to take the poppy at the end.

That's right I looked it up. Also Tyrion accused Pycell of poisoning/knowing someone poisened Jon Arry but Pycellmdenied it.

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It was unexpected to see ol' Ned pop up in the "Previously...on Game of Thrones" clip at the beginning of last night's episode. tongue.gif

I thought that was the reminder of Jorah's role in the poisoning plot.

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Beric Dondarrion is a normal man. Thoros is the priest who prayed to the red god and revived him.

^^^ This what we are seeing is a reemergence of magic which came around the same time of when the Dragons were born. The older they get and the clsoer they get to certain people\things the stronger thier magic gets.....We saw the beginnings for the past few seasons with the "son" of Stannis as well as the Warlock.......This magic from the god of light is something ele that has seemed to flourish since they Dragons are around and seems to be gaining power as time goes on.

As far as half this season goes it makes me frown.gif but it even hurts more that this is only the 1st half of a 2 part season wink.gif
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I think you're right.

When Jamie asked Qyburn (again, I'm not sure if that is his name or not) where is chains were if he was a Maester, he said that they were taken away because of some of practices (to paraphrase) he performed. That meant to me at least, that this "doctor" lost his "medical license" and is probably more of a Josef Mengele than a Marcus Welby.
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I don't know about Jon Arryn, but Robert basically had his judgement/reflexes severely impaired, which is why the boar got him. It wasn't poison as such.

There are a lot of other poisons available other than opium to poison somebody so I don't necessarily think it had to be milk of the poppy.
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There are a lot of other poisons available other than opium to poison somebody so I don't necessarily think it had to be milk of the poppy.
I agree. I didn't mean to imply that it had to be milk of the poppy.
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Wow, Selyse (Stanniss wife) is pretty out there. I liked when his daughter asked him if he won the war and he said.. ummm, nope.

His daughter was cute and her condition was a heartbreaker. I hope she can teach the onion prince to read his way out of jail.
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I agree. I didn't mean to imply that it had to be milk of the poppy.

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There are a lot of other poisons available other than opium to poison somebody so I don't necessarily think it had to be milk of the poppy.
You are right...it didn't HAVE to be, but it is reasonable to assume so.
FWIW, the "juice" from an opium poppy is white and milky in appearance.

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You are right...it didn't HAVE to be, but it is reasonable to assume so.
FWIW, the "juice" from an opium poppy is white and milky in appearance.

Having scored a few somniferum pods myself I can confirm that wink.gif
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Another new audience high 5,349,000 -- thats also the 2nd biggest in season audience episode to episode jump ever.

The biggest jump was season 2 from ep 9 to the ep 10 finale & that was only really because ep 9 aired memorial day weekend which hurt its rating.

They learned from that though as this year theyre skipping memorial day weekend which is cool since we essentially then get a 1 week extension.

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Good episode - the time really flew by. I can see Cersei and Tyrion, trapped in similar unfavourable circumstance, reluctantly forming a temporary alliance against their father to weasel out of the current predicaments, as long as they can put aside their mistrust and hatred for each other long enough smile.gif

As for Jaime, he's being portrayed as a rather sympathetic character of late, but I still don't trust him. He's physically and mentally defeated, for the time being, so I can understand his need to reach out to Brienne, who is the only friend in sight. As soon as circumstances change, so will his actions and demeanor.

Robb Stark was in a no-win situation. I don't blame him for what he did.

Seems like the Arya Stark storyline stalled a bit in this episode, but I'm thinking they're simply using her story arc as a tool to tell the broader story of the Brotherhood Without Banners.
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Also weren't Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon poisoned via milk of the poppy(maybe I'm not remembering correctly) which Jamie may know about and be afraid it would happen to him?

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I don't know about Jon Arryn, but Robert basically had his judgement/reflexes severely impaired, which is why the boar got him. It wasn't poison as such.

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It was implied that his wine was spiked by his squire, the young Lanister boy that Cersie was flogging. King Robert wanted to take the poppy at the end.

My recollection too is that the squire gave Robert wine that was unexpectedly strong, so Robert got even drunker than usual and was gored by the boar as a consequence.
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Good episode - the time really flew by. I can see Cersei and Tyrion, trapped in similar unfavourable circumstance, reluctantly forming a temporary alliance against their father to weasel out of the current predicaments, as long as they can put aside their mistrust and hatred for each other long enough smile.gif

As for Jaime, he's being portrayed as a rather sympathetic character of late, but I still don't trust him. He's physically and mentally defeated, for the time being, so I can understand his need to reach out to Brienne, who is the only friend in sight. As soon as circumstances change, so will his actions and demeanor.

Robb Stark was in a no-win situation. I don't blame him for what he did.

Seems like the Arya Stark storyline stalled a bit in this episode, but I'm thinking they're simply using her story arc as a tool to tell the broader story of the Brotherhood Without Banners.
I agree with regards to Jamie, we ahve seen this before from him, so it wouldnt surprise me if he is just "lying in the weeds" to recover and regroup.....

We agree on Robbs situation smile.gif it was a catch-22

I think the things with Arya are done for a reason (with this show they usually are) while it also allows them to showcase the Brotherhood, it keeps her in the story as she travels from A to B wink.gif I think this is all aprt of building her character to a certain point....

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My recollection too is that the squire gave Robert wine that was unexpectedly strong, so Robert got even drunker than usual and was gored by the boar as a consequence.

I think there was mention of posion, but no one will ever be able to prove it. I believe it was brought to Cersi, but she knows they will never be able to prove she had a hand in anything....
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From what I remember, Robert simply got too drunk to hunt. His Lannister squire made sure he kept drinking. No poison was implied.

As for the Arya story arc, they're growing her influence and experience. If she just ran home to the family as an 8-year old (or whatever she is now), she'd just be a frightened child. No, they're making sure that she's meeting people, having experiences, etc., so that by the time she's older, she's a mad bad ass-kicker with a lot of friends.

What I'm a little unclear on, is who's going to win when it's Arya vs Daenarys? That's my guess for the final confrontation for dominion of Westeros.
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My recollection too is that the squire gave Robert wine that was unexpectedly strong, so Robert got even drunker than usual and was gored by the boar as a consequence.

That's true, but I think the reason the wine was "stronger" than expected was that is was doctored with a poison, and not necessarily milk of the poppy. He probably would've died anyway, and having him gored by the boar made it look accidental.
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Supposedly that was also the same boars head that was mounted on the wall when Joffrey was showing Margaery how to shoot his new crossbow in this seasons episode 2.

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Supposedly that was also the same boars head that was mounted on the wall when Joffrey was showing Margaery how to shoot his new crossbow in this seasons episode 2.

I read the same thing. BTW is it just me or is King Joffrey a whole lot less dickish this season? I want to see more of his malevolence. He's not nearly as despicable this season as before.
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