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post #91 of 1689 Old 04-29-2011, 10:42 AM
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So do you buy your cars at full price?

Didn't think so.

Look I'm not saying it's fun, but it is what it is. If you pay full price for cable or sat TV year after year, you're a sucker. Same with cars, and probably a lot of other stuff you could think of.
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Definately not paying a MSRP.

Dish is sending me a air of empty container today for me to ship back their least equiptment. Still got a final $15 to pay. Dang.
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So do you buy your cars at full price?

Didn't think so.

Look I'm not saying it's fun, but it is what it is. If you pay full price for cable or sat TV year after year, you're a sucker. Same with cars, and probably a lot of other stuff you could think of.

I guess I am a sucker then . I pay full price for cable because, to me, it's worth it. I can watch what I want, when I want as many times as I want. If I break it down it costs me just over $6/day for 24 hours of entertainment. I love Baseball but I can't go to a game for $6. Same with Basketball, Nascar or Hockey, no way will $6 get me into the game. Parking is at least twice that itself. So for me, paying that $6/day to see the things I most enjoy is money well spent. If someone else feels it's not worth it, it's their choice.

I'm a 'hooker' and a knitter. I guess that makes me bi-stitchual :). Crap I say
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How many reruns are shown within those "24 hours"?
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I guess I am a sucker then . I pay full price for cable because, to me, it's worth it. I can watch what I want, when I want as many times as I want. If I break it down it costs me just over $6/day for 24 hours of entertainment. I love Baseball but I can't go to a game for $6. Same with Basketball, Nascar or Hockey, no way will $6 get me into the game. Parking is at least twice that itself. So for me, paying that $6/day to see the things I most enjoy is money well spent. If someone else feels it's not worth it, it's their choice.

A) you stay awake 24 hours and you don't have a job either and all you do with your fee time is watch TV?

B) No you can't go do all those things for $6 but there is a HUGE difrerence between going to a game in person and watching it on TV. Is watching a porno the same as having actual sex? Um....no.
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A) you stay awake 24 hours and you don't have a job either and all you do with your fee time is watch TV?

B) No you can't go do all those things for $6 but there is a HUGE difrerence between going to a game in person and watching it on TV. Is watching a porno the same as having actual sex? Um....no.

/sigh

No, I do not have a job nor do I stay awake for 24 hours. I also don't spend most of my time in front of the TV either. My point was that for me, paying for cable is my entertainment. I can't afford to drive to the nearest sports venue to watch a game and I do not like to go to the movies. So for my money, my $6 a day, I can do both from my home without breaking the bank. I know there's a big difference between going to a game and watching on TV. I've been to games in the past and had a good time. Now I prefer to watch from home.

And I don't need porno. I have a husband .

I'm a 'hooker' and a knitter. I guess that makes me bi-stitchual :). Crap I say
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most people feel that you shouldn't have to "play their game" all the time to not be taken to the cleaners.

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I have to commend those making the decision to cut cable/sat services. I watch alot of junk and could get by without it. A few years back I was excited about watching anything HD but now it's a requirement.

Maybe in the future sat/cable companies will cater to this customer base with discounted ala cart options.
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Dish sent me an empty box on Fri to sent back their least equipment. It says $15 if you use their label.

I use another shipper and it price to $7.58 for 13 lbs. They want to get you some at the end.
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I was surfing the web and hear about the big news and thought I would miss it.

But everyone of the 3 network is carrying it live now. I thought I would miss my dish.
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I was surfing the web and hear about the big news and thought I would miss it.

But everyone of the 3 network is carrying it live now. I thought I would miss my dish.

I watched some of the big news on NBC and ABC. You can find the majority of the stuff you want OTA, on DVD, or online. The only thing that pay TV has that you have to do without are a few extra sporting events in HD. But the money you save is worth it.

When the NFL draft was on I listened to some on ESPN radio and they even had Roger Goodell annouce all the draft picks. Then I went to NFL.com and ESPN.com and watched video clips of the main things that happened. During the season NFL.com has highlights to all the NFL games.

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The money you save is worth it to you, but not to everyone.
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Jedi Master, my local channel did a 30 min show on the NFL pick for my local team this weekend.

I notice that you pay mlb.com for $20 a month and you can watch any game live.

I dont know if nfl or nba have this. See, that solve all your problem. If more people get rid of dish and cable, then somebody will notice.
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Jedi Master, my local channel did a 30 min show on the NFL pick for my local team this weekend.

I notice that you pay mlb.com for $20 a month and you can watch any game live.
I dont know if nfl or nba have this. See, that solve all your problem. If more people get rid of dish and cable, then somebody will notice.

Not any game, only out of market games and as we all know, mlb blackout rules are a pain.

As to other leagues, I'll start with the one you didn't mention, the NHL. I don't think NHL goes monthly, but they do it per season. The NBA has online viewing too. Ditto for the NFL which offered its online component to anyone for an outrageous price (but I guess not outrageous if you don't have cable/sat).

But the caveat to all of this is that you don't get "any game live." You get out of market games live. If you are a sports nut who lives in their hometown and follows the hometown teams, cutting the cord isn't an option.
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Not any game, only out of market games and as we all know, mlb blackout rules are a pain.

As to other leagues, I'll start with the one you didn't mention, the NHL. I don't think NHL goes monthly, but they do it per season. The NBA has online viewing too. Ditto for the NFL which offered its online component to anyone for an outrageous price (but I guess not outrageous if you don't have cable/sat).

But the caveat to all of this is that you don't get "any game live." You get out of market games live. If you are a sports nut who lives in their hometown and follows the hometown teams, cutting the cord isn't an option.

I see. I guess the only reason for having dish or cable is just to see sports. Then all these paying even when the team is off season.
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I see. I guess the only reason for having dish or cable is just to see sports. Then all these paying even when the team is off season.
For me, I feel that way. I've even considered suspending my DirecTV during the months I hardly watch any sports. In fact, in the summer, chaulk-full of re-runs of regular shows and only one major sport (MLB), I might very well do this. But for me that would only be July and August. If the NFL is playing, then September warrants NFL and having my directv back.

I still see this as extreme and would have to probably only try it for month to see how it goes. But if I lived in the market as my favorite teams, I wouldn't do that even in the summer because I wouldn't get to see any of my favorite MLB team.
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Most people feel that you shouldn't have to "play their game" all the time to not be taken to the cleaners.

Welcome to America, where negotiating takes place in everything (except public utilities that are regulated). If you walk to a car lot and offer to pay the price written on the car, they will be happy to take your money.

Doh, I just saw slowbiscuit's post saying the same thing. Great minds think alike
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I see. I guess the only reason for having dish or cable is just to see sports. Then all these paying even when the team is off season.

The only sport I watch is football and there is football on all weekend long OTA in HD for free. If a good matchup is on Monday Night Football I listen to it on the radio. The other 8 months of the year I hardly watch any sports. The only thing I spend money on are DVDs.

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Welcome to America, where negotiating takes place in everything (except public utilities that are regulated). If you walk to a car lot and offer to pay the price written on the car, they will be happy to take your money.

Try negotiating when you go to the grocery store, a restaurant, or a clothes store. They will call the police.

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Seriously? LOL. The point doesn't change, no matter how you want to twist it. There are certain things in life that you need to negotiate to avoid getting taken, and pay TV is one of them. Sorry you don't feel that way.
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I notice that you pay mlb.com for $20 a month and you can watch any game live.

It's only $10 a month if you subscribe for the year. I figured I'd be using it for at least 6 mos anyway and this way I get Spring training also. Good deal if you're favorite team is not in your market (I'm a Giants fan in Colorado). Now I can watch every game instead of 1 a month if you're lucky on the broadcast and cable channels. Even if it's your market team, you can watch the game as soon as it's over or later if you prefer.
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Going on a year OTA. Ditched Comcast after almost 25 years of monthly payments (cable in Elgin was originally local, that got bought out, then that one got bought out, etc etc, now xfinity). My dad and I moved and couldn't afford to keep it at our new place. Luckliy, this place has two really good antennas on the roof and gets two markets: Chicago and Rockford, with Madison on a clear night. One of my dad's friends bought us a converter box for us to enjoy OTA. Eventually, I want to disconnect the Rockford/Madison antenna, get a rotor for the big Chicago antenna, and point that sucker anywhere I can, maybe Milwaukee?

I do miss cable sometimes: Bull Riding on Versus, Mythbusters, and The Daily Show, mostly. Luckily, my friends have cable at their places so I can watch that whenever I visit.

Now in NE Tucson, AZ with a cheap rabbit ears antenna. Got everything except KTTU (MyNetwork).
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Eventually, I want to disconnect the Rockford/Madison antenna, get a rotor for the big Chicago antenna, and point that sucker anywhere I can, maybe Milwaukee?

I don't know how much luck you'd have - you're nearly 100 miles away.

Do you get any Madison's? It's close to the same distance.

You could try the Quad Cities, but that's even a little further.
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I don't know how much luck you'd have - you're nearly 100 miles away.

Do you get any Madison's? It's close to the same distance.

You could try the Quad Cities, but that's even a little further.
I get Madison 27 on a clear night, sometimes 47 & 57 if it's very clear. Mind you, this is with two antennas into a combiner, and a 50 ft run. Might get a better signal if I put a rotor on the big antenna, whenever i get the money for that. (grumbles about the gov't not giving a disabled person the money he deserves)

Now in NE Tucson, AZ with a cheap rabbit ears antenna. Got everything except KTTU (MyNetwork).
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Seriously? LOL. The point doesn't change, no matter how you want to twist it. There are certain things in life that you need to negotiate to avoid getting taken, and pay TV is one of them. Sorry you don't feel that way.
I don't understand why there is resistance to this point. Maybe I wouldn't use the term "sucker" because it's a baiting word, but the point is valid.

Look, you can walk into a car dealership and pay sticker and leave in minutes with a brand new car. There's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't make you a sucker. They've got a price, you pay it, and you leave with a car. Simple as that.

Of course with a car you can spend hours negotiating and get the price down. This isn't easy, it's not for everyone, and it doesn't always work out to be a victory for you, i.e. you can spend several hours negotiating and not get your price. Usually such persons then move on to another dealership and start that game again.

Not that different with pay TV. Pay what they ask and you get it instantly. Or you can try CSR roulette and negotiate and you might get the price down. Or not, in which case if you want to keep trying you can call again and get a different CSR.

It's a valid point, with one key exception: except for the negotiating of initial deals, there is a difference between car buying and pay TV. Usually those of us who do the pay TV haggling already have service, already have a set price, and we are trying to talk them down. With the car buying, you don't actually have the car yet. Point being, we are comparing a service (pay TV) that we already have to goods (Car) that we don't even have yet.

I get that some people are frustrated with having to call every 6 months to get a discount on their bill, and appreciate it's not exactly a fair comparison with car buying. What other service besides pay tv/internet/phone are we able to negotiating pricing while being in the middle of receiving service? Most other services have fixed rates or contracts you sign that agree up front on a rate.

With DirecTV, I sign a contract for 2 years, but that contract doesn't fix my price for 2 years. Kinda lame if you ask me.
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This article is just perfect for this thread:

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home...sts-moneywatch

BTW, mlb.com is having one free game streaming per day. Subject to local blackout. Go enjoy.
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Yeah, no thanks...

6. Watch Sports Live Online (if You're Out of Market)

There are a surprising number of sports options for cord-cutters, although most of them are not cheap. Services like MLB.TV ($99 a year), NHL Gamecenter Live ($175), and NBA Game Time ($45) are all available via the Roku XDS and offer live, streaming games. Aside from the price, the big catch is that all of these services are subject to blackout rules if you're "in market," so you often won't get to see your hometown team play.
At the same time, remember that if you're able to receive over-the-air HDTV, you'll get lots of live sports from the major networks. And if you're lucky enough to be a fan of a team that gets regular national coverage (yes, we're talking about you, Yankees and Lakers fans), you might not be in such bad shape. But if you don't want to miss your local team's home games, then yes — this could be a deal breaker. Consider finding a local bar that carries the games, or sweet-talking a friend who hasn't cut the cord yet. Just remember to factor in the cost of a six-pack when you're doing the cable-free math.


I'll take my sports in full HD with DD 5.1 sound, on cable with my plasma. Plus, the overall cost is not that much different when you factor in paying all these per-sport streaming fees.
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Here is a good post by a poster named coder on the TV Land forums.

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You hit the nail right on the head. There has already been a sharp decline in cable/satellite subscribers in the past year. The entertainment industry is going broke and broker. The sad part is their are those out their still subscribed and being ripped off. I wish people would see how they are being ripped off.

Not to brag, however I have a extremely close relative that works for Viacom and knows what they do to bring horrible programs and mega commercial programming on TV Land.



Everyone complaining about the extreme commercial advertising including me read this and you will discover why TV Land has so many commercials on.

1.TV Land makes mega bucks showing advertising. The more commercials they show the more moola they make. They do not care about the viewers opinion on advertising. They just want to make big bucks and viewers suffer.
2.TV Land makes bucks off of cable/satellite subscribers.
3.TV Land gets their programs at a cheap rate. So they choose what they want, to have a low budget to obtain more money to stuff in their pockets. Add it up.
+TV ADS

+ Low paid programs

+ cable/satellite subscribers

= Big dollars for TV Land and lobster/steak supper every night for TV Land hotshots while the rest of the world starves.

One evening while watching a 1/2 hour program I set up my stop watch. In the 30 minutes they showed this program and it doesn't matter what the program was, they displayed 14 minutes total of commercials. I find that rediculous and it goes on 24 hours per day.

Oh, they feed on the indigent, elderly, etc with their advertisements of scooters, liberty medical, etc. These advertisements I highly dislike as they say no one pays a dime for the products if they are on Medicare. Oh yes they do pay a dime. The dime comes from taxpayers. Everyone pays. This is sick advertising and TV Land uses it to the hilt. The advertisers are just as sick as TV Land feeding on the weak person thinking they are getting medical products for free. As I said every US citizen pays for these so called free medical supplies through their tax dollar. The more we buy into these medical supply scams the more our taxes increase. I wish this to be one thing the government would crack down on are these scams.

TV Land is doing nothing but ripping off consumers and advertisers to stuff their pockets. Advertisers will pay $150,000 per showing of a commercial advertisement of their product to TV Land. So the more commercials the more money TV land makes.Oh, we (the consumers) are just nobodies to TV Land. We have no say because if we did,TV Land wouldn't be stuffing their pockets.

Another thing that makes me laugh is I can watch the Nanny on Antenna TV. That was just an example. I can't stand that show. The fictitious 'Fran Vine' really does not talk that way in her real life as I have evidence of that. I call her the nasal anal _ _ tch. She sounds like she is talking out of her anal canal that has polyps. Her voice about goes through me like a hot buttered knife. She is the most sickening actress I have seen in a long time. The fake voice has to go, Fran. Antenna TV has no where near the commercials that TV Land has. So in the end TV Land will lose viewers with all this advertising they do. They lost me because I do not subscribe to Cable/Satellite as I am tired of paying to see advertising that someone else is making money off of me. I won't let them screw me to the walls. I better things to do with my money than fork it out to TV Land.

So Americans think about it. You are being screwed. TV Land, cable, satelitte is a rip off. Do you like paying for those paid advertisements that go on for 1/2 hour or more everyday? I don't. By the way I am an in advertising and love my job as I can see how these media companies are ripping everyone off.



Sorry America. You are being ripped off.


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I'll take my sports in full HD with DD 5.1 sound, on cable with my plasma. Plus, the overall cost is not that much different when you factor in paying all these per-sport streaming fees.

Actually MLB.TV is half the price of MLB Extra Innings and MLB.TV is is in HD whereas Extra Innings in my area is not. So with streaming I'm paying HALF the price and get HD viewing.

As far as NHL. Only hockey on around here is on Versus( cable doen't offer Versus HD ) and it's on the sports tier which is $10 a month extra. Not to mention Verus doesn't even have that much NHL. So NHL Gamecenter is a value.
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