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Which totally sucks. Another cliffhanger that will be left hanging.

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It's been officially cancelled . This was one of the shows I actually liked too. From now on, if I find something I like I'm gonna say it's sucks, just so it'll stick around for awhile.

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Well, many of us are on the record as saying if 'Alcatraz' has to die so 'Fringe' can live another season or so, so be it. I'll miss it because it was an ambitious effort at semi-serialized sci-fi on broadcast TV and we surely need more of it, and it did feature the awesome Jeffrey Pierce in a recurring role, but I'm comfortable with the choice FOX made.
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My only real complaint here is the timing... The TV networks need to be able to assess and make these decisions early enough to give producers a chance to rework the last few episodes and tie up storylines if they want instead of screwing the viewers out of any kind of closure.

Barring that... networks should go ahead and greenlight 3-6 episodes of "epilogue" programming for canceled after-the-season shows so that those people involved can craft something that the network can air as fill-in programming instead of repeats or something.

If they aren't going to do either of those... then serial dramas are going to be fast on the way out as viewers start tuning out until they hear a show is going to go more than 1 season... which in turn will help to ensure that none of those shows get a second season... and then we will get more "reality" TV instead.

Cancel low-performing shows... fine... even if I like them... fine... I get business plans... but don't keep yanking the rug out from under your viewers.

Imagine those years when NHL and MLB was down in ratings... what if they just decided not to air the playoffs those years due to the poor ratings? That would be nasty not to let the fans they did have see how the season plays out in the post-season... and networks would never consider doing that.

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While Alcatraz was only a ten episode mid-season show, I see your point on the whole. Maybe the networks could put the show on the web to finish out plot lines like ABC did with that Moon Bloodgood show a couple of years ago. Heck, it would drive increased traffic to the network's website, where they could easily promote other shows. I know I never visit any of the websites.

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While Alcatraz was only a ten episode mid-season show, I see your point on the whole. Maybe the networks could put the show on the web to finish out plot lines like ABC did with that Moon Bloodgood show a couple of years ago. Heck, it would drive increased traffic to the network's website, where they could easily promote other shows. I know I never visit any of the websites.

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Well, many of us are on the record as saying if 'Alcatraz' has to die so 'Fringe' can live another season or so, so be it. I'll miss it because it was an ambitious effort at semi-serialized sci-fi on broadcast TV

No it wasn't. It spent the majority of its run relying on generic and formulaic cop show antics and escapees from Criminal Minds.

It had low ambitions and that's what killed it. The show hid it's genuinely unique elements under the same old, same old. A drama set entirely on Alactraz in the 1960's would have been ambitious or a modern day drama that even made the slightest attempt to break out of the monster-of-the-week formula would have been ambitious, but the show barely even tried.


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No it wasn't. It spent the majority of its run relying on generic and formulaic cop show antics and escapees from Criminal Minds.

It had low ambitions and that's what killed it. The show hid it's genuinely unique elements under the same old, same old. A drama set entirely on Alactraz in the 1960's would have been ambitious or a modern day drama that even made the slightest attempt to break out of the monster-of-the-week formula would have been ambitious, but the show barely even tried.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with this. It was an intriguing premise, hopeless buried uder the mess of what you said. If they had unburdened it, it could have been great. As it was presented, there was merely the vague promise of greatness.

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Unfortunately, I have to agree with this. It was an intriguing premise, hopeless buried uder the mess of what you said. If they had unburdened it, it could have been great. As it was presented, there was merely the vague promise of greatness.

Even the main characters were relatively stale. They did the investigations by the book and they were nice and viewer-friendly. If they had let Hauser out of the box to deliver some Untouchables-style justice more often it would have at least made the plots more unpredictable and have a lead character with an edge. Instead we had Rebecca playing by the rules to allow every criminal time to escape until the last five minutes.


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Well, many of us are on the record as saying if 'Alcatraz' has to die so 'Fringe' can live another season or so, so be it. I'll miss it because it was an ambitious effort at semi-serialized sci-fi on broadcast TV and we surely need more of it, and it did feature the awesome Jeffrey Pierce in a recurring role, but I'm comfortable with the choice FOX made.

Same here - a minor bummer as I started to really get into it. But I get 13 more shots of FRINGE this fall, which is a far superior show, IMO. So be it.

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I am also disappointed that this show had to end early, I thought the characters were good and the formula decent, especially towards the end. But now that it's over, are we going to hear how they ended up in modern times? I'd like to see some explanation from the producers.
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Good premise. Execution was spotty at times. I don't think they cast Rebecca well, she didn't seem to be able to pull off a lead role. Oh well.
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I don't think they cast Rebecca well, she didn't seem to be able to pull off a lead role.

There were 2 reasons they cast her, and neither reason was her acting ability.
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Good thing I stopped watching after 2-3 episodes. Still have all the episodes but probably will delete them. Was going to catch up if it had been renewed but I prefer it this way. One less series to watch and yay for 13 more episodes of Fringe! And I hope "Hurley" will loose some weight and turn up in a better series in the future.
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There were 2 reasons they cast her, and neither reason was her acting ability.

I would agree with that. Problem was, they did a lousy job of highlighting Sarah's said assets. Should have been a lot more low-cut outfits, and a lot more tight t-shirts. With running, lots of running.

When are they going to learn? If you cast a woman with a sensational figure, you need to play to your strengths. Look what it's done for 'Modern Family' which may not even have reached renewal status, much less hit status, without Sophia Vergara (the similarity to "Viagra" is no coincidence ) putting the va-va in va-va-voom!

But seriously folks, I would like to know what the big overarching time-travel mystery was and how it was caused. They owe it to us who stuck with this show from the beginning.
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And I hope "Hurley" will loose some weight and turn up in a better series in the future.

True dat. Jorge Garcia is always welcome on my TV screen. But if he doesn't lose some weight, he won't be around to star in a better series. He's gotten shockingly huge since LOST waltzed into the bright light of oblivion, and he wasn't tiny then by any means.
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I would agree with that. Problem was, they did a lousy job of highlighting Sarah's said assets. Should have been a lot more low-cut outfits, and a lot more tight t-shirts. With running, lots of running.

Agreed!

They waited until the last episode to have her take that damn concealing jacket off and then have her run. Then we got a quick shot of her sans shirt being wheeled into the hospital.

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No it wasn't. It spent the majority of its run relying on generic and formulaic cop show antics and escapees from Criminal Minds.

It had low ambitions and that's what killed it. The show hid it's genuinely unique elements under the same old, same old. A drama set entirely on Alactraz in the 1960's would have been ambitious or a modern day drama that even made the slightest attempt to break out of the monster-of-the-week formula would have been ambitious, but the show barely even tried.

Boy, great post. Just change the title of the show and you could post it on the "Grimm" thread tooIn one brilliant paragraph you captured my problems with both shows.

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Boy, great post. Just change the title of the show and you could post it on the "Grimm" thread tooIn one brilliant paragraph you captured my problems with both shows.

That's why I stopped watching Grimm. It's also the same problem that almost killed Fringe before it realized the benefits of embracing it's mythology outweighed the drawbacks of alienating CBS viewers who tuned in for a procedural.

Reaper suffered the same thing too until season two when it finally let loose some crazy and started writing the stories around the characters instead of writing the characters around the stories.

It doesn't take much to break from formula. Having another dull con apprehended in the first fifteen minutes and then spending the rest of the episode doing something else with the characters would have added some variety and unpredictability. Soto on a date with the hot coroner I could easily have watched unfold while Hauser was out kicking in doors and dangling conspiracy suspects off buildings. They could have given Rebecca something to do as well I suppose.

Shows like this remind of how groundbreaking the early seasons of Homicide: LOTS used to be. One episode was entirely focused around who was lighting a candle in the squad room. That was more important than the crimes being solved that week.

Good writing with solid characters doesn't need formulaic stories every week. Taking those elements and running with them is ambitious and Alcatraz never really tried.

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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you. It almost felt like the producers were pulling a classic 'bait-and-switch' on us. Lure in the serial fans with an interesting premise, and then give us a generic cop show, done poorly at that.
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It almost felt like the producers were pulling a classic 'bait-and-switch' on us. Lure in the serial fans with an interesting premise, and then give us a generic cop show, done poorly at that.

Agreed. What is actually done most often is to bait the audience with a serial concept that promises a great, profound reveal that never NEVER comes. It makes you wonder if they had anything cooked up or were just making it up as they went along.

Like a fool I stuck with Heroes for years... probably as much for the "I can't believe this can get any worse" curiosity as anything else. When I bailed there was one more season, which apparently did get a little better, but I'll knever know.

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This is too bad. I was getting into Alcatraz and looked forward to watching it. But like was mentioned, if it had to be sacrificed for another season of Fringe, so be it.

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I'm seriously not watching anymore dramas with running story lines until after they have been on a year or so because im stick and tired of watching shows that get canceled before anything is solved or resolved. So be warned TV networks it is only a matter of time before you will lose everyone. You've already lost me.
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Very well put. Between that and their continuous game of musical start times, will kill them for good. I'm tired of loosing recordings because the start time was change by one minute.
They only seem to want cheap programming: reality shows, or should I say unnecessary

What part of this don't they understand? Corporate college educated idiots that can't see the forest for the trees.

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