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OMG, Hurley is a HOUSE! With his first close-up, I thought the A/R of my set was messed up ...
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looked great though. why can't NFL on fox look that good?

Really?! I thought it looked horrible, a step above SD, but just barely. It reminded me too much of the terrible PQ on Fox's 24 series...with its murky blacks, drab color palette, and less-than-stellar details. I should mention there were a few shots where details and depth had the WOW factor, but they were definitely the exception and not the rule.

I guess I'm being spoiled my AMC's superb PQ in Hell on Wheels. Now that looks good, with outstanding details, depth, colors, black levels & shadow details, contrast, flesh tones, and clarity.

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yeah..looks like once Hurley got back home he spent a LOT of time at Mr. Clucks Chicken Shack.

Lol. Mr. Clucks! Cracked me up.



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Really?! I thought it looked horrible, a step above SD, but just barely. It reminded me too much of the terrible PQ on Fox's 24 series...with its murky blacks, drab color palette, and less-than-stellar details. I should mention there were a few shots where details and depth had the WOW factor, but they were definitely the exception and not the rule.

I guess I'm being spoiled my AMC's superb PQ in Hell on Wheels. Now that looks good, with outstanding details, depth, contrast, flesh tones, and clarity.

Err, you really think AMC* looks better than FOX It looked great to me, maybe a bit too dark.

I only made it through the first hour there wasn't enough there to keep me interested for two. Sarah Jones is easy on the eyes, thats about the only thing that got me through one hour. Even Sam Neil wasn't up to his usual standards. I'll keep it on the DVR on the tiny chance that FOX doesn't drop this very soon.

* And by that I mean their HDTV channel. All AMC shows excepting Walking Dead that I've seen look awesome on BD.
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Err, you really think AMC* looks better than FOX It looked great to me, maybe a bit too dark.

I only made it through the first hour there wasn't enough there to keep me interested for two. Sarah Jones is easy on the eyes, thats about the only thing that got me through one hour. Even Sam Neil wasn't up to his usual standards. I'll keep it on the DVR on the tiny chance that FOX doesn't drop this very soon.

* And by that I mean their HDTV channel. All AMC shows excepting Walking Dead that I've seen look awesome on BD.

Have you seen an episode of Hell on Wheels on AMC yet! It looks phenomenal! (And yes, I'm talking about the HD channel...it's not even out on Blu-ray yet.)

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I liked it. Guess I am way in the minority here. I thought the backstory was compelling and why this is happening and how it happened has me hooked. I also liked the going back to the old days and seeing them in Alcatraz was cool. So far so good for me.

I liked it too.
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Very interesting. I finally saw the broadcast today and it is a bit different from the version that I saw on a Continental flight.

In the flight version, there was a littel background story about the detective and her boyfriend. Looks like that has been completely excised. Too bad, that scene really showcased the detective's talents...
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Very interesting. I finally saw the broadcast today and it is a bit different from the version that I saw on a Continental flight.

In the flight version, there was a littel background story about the detective and her boyfriend. Looks like that has been completely excised. Too bad, that scene really showcased the detective's talents...

I saw they were airing the premiere on a JetBlue flight but I avoided watching it since I wanted to wait for HD/5.1 :P
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You are proving my point....there were a few shots that had the WOW factor. But overall, I was underwhelmed by the PQ. Did you watch 24 on Fox? The PQ is very similar to what one experienced viewing that series; in other words, it was NOT VERY GOOD.

FWIW, I'm viewing this in a totally darkened room on a Pioneer 60" KURO Elite plasma at 7 feet.

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The Rebecca Madsen character didn't work for me. She just wasn't a believable detective turned to Fringe Division, I mean Mysterious Inmate Disappearance Division.

I thought the writing was weak. A few cringe worthy moments for me. I though the plot set-up was rushed. I guess it's hard to win either way - rushed or too slow -- but whatever they did, it didn't work for me.

I thought the actions of the inmates were edgy and violent. That's not a bad thing at all, but I was expecting more para-normal suspense than raw shoot em up violence.

This series is set-up for a let down. Whatever the "entity" is at the root of the disappearance, anti-aging, control of the inmates will not have a satisfactory explanation at the end. This is a no win plot line.

I can see the intrigue in using the Alcatraz (almost wrote Azkaban) facility. The "story of the week" has at least 302 possibilities (based on the number of inmates). If they focus on one inmate a week for a 22 episode per year series, then we're talking almost 14 years worth of material here.

In the end, I think Alcatraz - being the detectives catch the inmate story of the week with a little serialized plot sprinkled in -- will struggle to make it to year two. We'll see.
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OMG, Hurley is a HOUSE! With his first close-up, I thought the A/R of my set was messed up ...

After jiggling down those Alcatraz steps, he could hardly even deliver his lines. He was breathing pretty hard.

Liability: Running after inmates.

Asset: Securing inmates after they are caught so they won't flee.
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you gotta love how someone can buy a rifle and a supressor within a day... in san francisco, no less...

lol...

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FWIW, I'm viewing this in a totally darkened room on a Pioneer 60" KURO Elite plasma at 7 feet.

Quite a few people feel that watching tv in a totally darkened room is not the optimum viewing conditions. The use of a bias light, preferably behind the tv, is the best way to view. But, it's whatever works best for you.
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Watched the pilot last night. Proceeded to cancel the series on my DVR. Everyone else already covered what's wrong with it.

Also, can someone slip a note to Michael Giacchino and let him know this isn't Lost? I know he thought Fringe was Lost as well, but I figured he'd learn by now. Guess not. You could switch any of the scores for those 3 shows with one another, and they'd fit right in. He's like the James Horner of television.
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Man, I never seen so many instant gratifiers. It gets worse each season it seems. Wow me in the first ten minutes of your first show or I am out of here.

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Quite a few people feel that watching tv in a totally darkened room is not the optimum viewing conditions. The use of a bias light, preferably behind the tv, is the best way to view. But, it's whatever works best for you.

Oop! I forgot to mention that I DO have a bias light behind my KURO. The point I am making though is I don't have any light REFLECTING on my screen (which is often the case in an upstairs living room environment) which only serves to hinder PQ and the darkness serves to enhance the PQ.

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Man, I never seen so many instant gratifiers. It gets worse each season it seems. Wow me in the first ten minutes of your first show or I am out of here.

I think it's more that we can smell the familiarities between this show and others of its ilk.

Homeland didn't exactly "wow" me in the pilot, but it was solid (writing/acting), so I kept coming back for more, and now I love it. Alcatraz on the other hand...if that's what the writing is like for the first two episodes, then I don't even want to imagine what it'll be like the rest of the way. And like rich said, the premise itself is shaky at best.
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You are proving my point....there were a few shots that had the WOW factor. But overall, I was underwhelmed by the PQ. Did you watch 24 on Fox? The PQ is very similar to what one experienced viewing that series; in other words, it was NOT VERY GOOD.

FWIW, I'm viewing this in a totally darkened room on a Pioneer 60" KURO Elite plasma at 7 feet.

LOL. Nobody gives a crap what you're watching it on. When someone tries to say that the PQ on this show is barely a step above SD it means they are likely blind...



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Man, I never seen so many instant gratifiers. It gets worse each season it seems. Wow me in the first ten minutes of your first show or I am out of here.

It's basically the same group of people who do nothing but complain about virtually every show they watch. They either just like to bitch or it somehow makes them feel important and authoritarian. It wouldn't be so bad if they'd just leave, but they always continue to watch and complain because they have no lives so they sit around and watch TV they don't like.


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LOL. Nobody gives a crap what you're watching it on. When someone tries to say that the PQ on this show is barely a step above SD it means they are likely blind...

You really shouldn't be so self-conscious. No one should lack self-esteem to the point where they're calling themselves "Nobody."

All kidding aside, if you don't think the environment where you're watching HD broadcasts matters, or the equipment and lighting conditions, then you need a crash course in Home Video 101. I know people who have fantastic Home Theater equipment and they watch it in a sun-drenched room with the TV on Torch Mode (to make up for all the light coming in). That is bound to affect one's viewing experience. If you have ideal conditions and a good, calibrated TV monitor, you can expect the best viewing conditions possible. This is what I have and yet I still thought the PQ was lacking in Alcatraz.

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Man, I never seen so many instant gratifiers. It gets worse each season it seems. Wow me in the first ten minutes of your first show or I am out of here.

Reminds me of another member's sig I read once that said (paraphrase): "AVS Forums: Where satisfaction goes to die"

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I don't know, I kind of liked it, but I do admit I was a bit disappointed when the 2nd hour made clear that it's going to be a chase of the week procedural show, with mysterious background story. I'm sticking with it, though. I like the cast and the heart of the mystery is still intriguing to me.

P.S. Did anyone think to try to capture the QR code on Jake's cell in "New Alcatraz"? Just curious if it really led anywhere. I deleted the show before I remembered to go back and try.
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I won't be too critical, since I'm grateful it's not another reality show, talent show, money giveaway, or sitcom with laughtrack. I thought they revealed quite a bit for the opening two hours. I wouldn't want a simple MotW every episode, but I don't believe that's all it will be, and don't think it was this time. They put some effort into giving the characters unique backgrounds. It's too soon to know if it's going to feel as redundant and unbelievable as Hawaii 5-0 or House, but I'll watch.
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Really?! I thought it looked horrible, a step above SD, but just barely. It reminded me too much of the terrible PQ on Fox's 24 series...with its murky blacks, drab color palette, and less-than-stellar details. I should mention there were a few shots where details and depth had the WOW factor, but they were definitely the exception and not the rule.

I guess I'm being spoiled my AMC's superb PQ in Hell on Wheels. Now that looks good, with outstanding details, depth, colors, black levels & shadow details, contrast, flesh tones, and clarity.

Totally agree! Looked like a good upconverted DVD to me. I don't have AMC but my standard is most of CBS's primetime which put Alcatraz to shame. Don't get me wrong, close ups looked fine but even with DVD close ups can look good. 46" calibrated 1080p Sony LCD in a darkened room(with a slight back light)
I'll give it a few more weeks, don't think it was as bad as some thought but not the best either. If it were better picture quality that might be a selling point but not on my setup. Oh, 1 OTA SD sub so that's not to blame.
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I like it so far. Most of the people on here seem to hate everything that isn't a lock for an Emmy, but I'm glad that I don't have gourmet taste in food or television. The show needs to keep up with the sci-fi/mystery aspect as much as possible as the catch a killer shows are a dime a dozen. And my goodness is Sarah Jones gorgeous or what?
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Oop! I forgot to mention that I DO have a bias light behind my KURO. The point I am making though is I don't have any light REFLECTING on my screen (which is often the case in an upstairs living room environment) which only serves to hinder PQ and the darkness serves to enhance the PQ.

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I thought the first hour was decent. The second hour started going downhill. It is better than TN for now. Hopefully it will get better. I see a lot of other people where underwhelmed with it. Well except for the semi-attractive lead, which is the typical cliche around here. I sometimes feel sorry for everyone who lives in the land of ugly.

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LOL. Nobody gives a crap what you're watching it on. When someone tries to say that the PQ on this show is barely a step above SD it means they are likely blind...



It's basically the same group of people who do nothing but complain about virtually every show they watch. They either just like to bitch or it somehow makes them feel important and authoritarian. It wouldn't be so bad if they'd just leave, but they always continue to watch and complain because they have no lives so they sit around and watch TV they don't like.


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So I thought it was not bad and will give it a few more eps to fill some back story.

Does anyone know why the rifleman was repeating the whole picket fence thing? If it was explained I missed it. And could they have mishandled the shell casing anymore than they did?

One thing that scares me about JJ shows is that it seems like he has a great idea but after that it feels like you're just wandering down the road. Like Alias, Lost, Fringe, etc... Good shows but after the inital setup it feels like they are being made up as they go. That's why I liked the Joss Whedon structure where each season was a story on it's on own while continuing to evolve the backstory.

Whew! Too much thinking... Must get coffee.
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