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post #1891 of 2041 Old 11-11-2014, 11:35 AM
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First season it was praised for being smart, not fake like 24 and other shows of that ilk.



You can have believable and supposedly accurate depictions of spy craft, as LeCarre adaptations usually are.



There were hopes that Homeland would be an American version of that or more like the original Israeli show. But it quickly turned into a soap opera and then the Carrie bug-eyed show, with stupid plots to bring out the bug eyes.

Yet you continue to still watch the show? Sounds like someone likes punishment.


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Boy, if Carrie didn't have Lockhart over a barrel with her threat of exposing him to collusion and possible treason charges, he'd have her rear end out of there either warm or in a body bag. Even Quinn thinks that she's completely lost it and he appears to have more than a professional interest in her. I thought that the scenes with Saul and Haqqani were very well done with good writing and work by the actors. They were certainly illustrative of the old saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".
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Saul's character is one of the reasons I enjoy watching Homeland. Shame on those of you who urged Carrie to take him out!
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This season of Homeland is testing me. The current version of Carrie is unbearable but we are still sentenced to watching her innumerable meltdowns, scene after scene, week after week. As fine an actress as Claire Danes is, my patience is nearing its end. The show has fallen very far very fast it seems to me.
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That happened long before this season.

Actually keeping Brody around for more than one season just killed the premise of the show. Presumably the original Israeli show didn't go down that path.
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That happened long before this season.

Actually keeping Brody around for more than one season just killed the premise of the show.
That's what I was about to say, more or less.
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I didn't know Homeland was a knock-off.

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While I used to eagerly await the newest episode of Homeland, now my mood is more like "oh, it's Sunday...there's a new Homeland episode tonight. Yeah, I suppose we'll watch that. Or maybe leave it until Monday. Do we have any snacks?"

It's definitely pulling itself down into 24 territory, with the occasional Blacklist preposterousness thrown in.
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While I used to eagerly await the newest episode of Homeland, now my mood is more like "oh, it's Sunday...there's a new Homeland episode tonight. Yeah, I suppose we'll watch that. Or maybe leave it until Monday. Do we have any snacks?"

It's definitely pulling itself down into 24 territory, with the occasional Blacklist preposterousness thrown in.

Wouldn't blacklist be pulling Homeland preposterousness


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I didn't know Homeland was a knock-off.
It's based off an Israeli show "Prisoners of War" IIRC.
They mention it in the credits.

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Wouldn't blacklist be pulling Homeland preposterousness
Probably both. I've left my wife to plod through The Blacklist on her own; it finally made me throw my hands up and quit.
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I didn't know Homeland was a knock-off.

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It's based off an Israeli show "Prisoners of War" IIRC.
They mention it in the credits.
Yes, it's a knockoff, I mentioned it a few times earlier in this thread.

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I like it better than Homeland, it's edgier and the plot twists are more intricate and wicked. Also, it involves a larger, well fleshed out, cast of core characters, it's not like the Claire Danes Show where 99% of the time it's about Carrie.
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Still watching here. She's an analyst turned station chief, not James Bond. So, glad they're pointing out vulnerabilities, especially when the local spooks have their own special agenda. And when she hallucinates shooting two cops with her fingers, or Brody comes back to life, don't see how she could just be off her bipolar medications; also, the folks who tinkered with her pills wanted their substitute to have a reliable--not unknown--effect. In other words, good-on for 'bug-eye' performances. Somewhat related, and speaking of preposterous, found myself quickly tuning out and discontinuing entirely a new spy series starting Sunday on PBS: "Worricker: Turks & Caicos." -- John

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Were those hallucinogens or they just replaced her drugs with sugar pills? why she wouldn't realize her bipolar symptoms or can they know when they aren't mentally healthy?
IMO they wouldn't have needed an actual pharmacist to create sugar pills. I think those were a something to actively shove her into a manic phase.
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Saul's character is one of the reasons I enjoy watching Homeland. Shame on those of you who urged Carrie to take him out!
Glad the writers are featuring him, I like him and Quinn.
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Best episode of the last two seasons. Saul is pissed...
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^^^^^ I agree. Definitely the best episode so far this season.
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Looks like, from all the orange prison garb and gun-pointing in the preview, the exchange of Talilban prisoners for Saul is slated. Suspect they'll also be some fireworks. -- John
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That was a very suspenseful episode I really thought...
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CIA didn't know that the drone would tip off where Saul is?

And one drone does what, hover over the top and can mark all the individual Taliban soldiers?

Hell why not do it with satellites? Then it would be the Russians tipping off the Pakistanis, who tip off the Taliban. It would be about as believable.
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Wow - great episode.
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I'm glad the ambassador's husband was outed. Hope he gets more than a tongue lashing.
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It's off to Guantanamo for him!

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Pretty wild show last night. It was nice to see the the Ambassador's dirtbag husband exposed. The makeup of the Pakistani intelligence service is puzzling. Raza Jefferey's character is the head of the counter-terrorism section but who exactly is the steely woman who co-opted the husband? Is she ISI or something else. She seems to work hand in glove with the Taliban and clearly communicated with Haqqani and his people. She also seemed to have some level of authority over the ISI Colonel. It's quite a twisted setup. While I'm glad that Saul is still alive and hope that he can survive without the exchange being completed, what Carrie did to to him was almost unconscionable. She was literally running him blindly through a maze with no clean exit. I have to admit that I'm beginning to like DCI Lockhart. His frustration with and anger at the Pakistanis is justified and well acted by Tracy Letts.
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Pretty wild show last night. It was nice to see the the Ambassador's dirtbag husband exposed. The makeup of the Pakistani intelligence service is puzzling. Raza Jefferey's character is the head of the counter-terrorism section but who exactly is the steely woman who co-opted the husband? Is she ISI or something else. She seems to work hand in glove with the Taliban and clearly communicated with Haqqani and his people. She also seemed to have some level of authority over the ISI Colonel. It's quite a twisted setup. While I'm glad that Saul is still alive and hope that he can survive without the exchange being completed, what Carrie did to to him was almost unconscionable. She was literally running him blindly through a maze with no clean exit. I have to admit that I'm beginning to like DCI Lockhart. His frustration with and anger at the Pakistanis is justified and well acted by Tracy Letts.

They explained her role I believe 2 episodes or so ago. I forget now, but she does wield power and influence. She also "replaced" someone who was the original person to turn the ambassador's husband. Because of her connections and what looks like a dual role between intelligence and the presidents(?) advisory she is a force to be reckoned with.

I agree with what had been stated best episode of the season so far.


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Kind of ironic though that the Taliban's biggest ally in the Pakistani govt. would be a woman, especially one so Westernized.

But then, Homeland's got all kinds of blind spots when it comes to realism.
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^^^
I keep watching Homeland and ask why? If you liked 24 you probably like this, but you're right its far fetched. Like an x-CIA head would be captured by the Taliban.

These are just my opinions.
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I would assume Carrie felt turning over Saul to the Taliban was a better option then him blowing his brains out while hiding in the building? or is the plan to sniff out the mole in the Pakistani ISI by giving Saul to the Taliban?
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While I found the episode very compelling, it takes some serious suspension of disbelief that such an important prisoner as Saul would be able to escape that easily? Just one guard, really?

And more than that: the rescue mission was just 3 special forces guys in a van? Really? The USA already knew that he was a prisoner in the tribal areas of Afghanistan, they would have units on high alert and ready to respond. Given he was the director of the CIA I'm pretty sure we would have had a large force there by morning. Even if it was risky.
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I would assume Carrie felt turning over Saul to the Taliban was a better option then him blowing his brains out while hiding in the building? or is the plan to sniff out the mole in the Pakistani ISI by giving Saul to the Taliban?

There is a chance he comes back alive. If he shoots himself there is no chance. It was a "selfish" move.


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