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Old 12-22-2014, 06:00 PM
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Yea, as someone said above, "I thought it was just me".

C'mon, we all know Quinn isn't going to die (otherwise he'd have been killed off in this episode) and Saul will reveal to Carrie at the beginning of next season that appearing to go along with Adal is really a super-secret plot to unmask him.

Frankly, I got a bit excited when I thought, just after it appeared Carrie would succumb to Quinn's charms, that Adal was going to have Quinn killed. That would have been the old "hero can't find happiness" theme, a sad but at least involving ending.

But we didn't get even that (I mean: "Why did Quinn change his mind anyway?").
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:17 PM
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I know many want another 24 or at least a majority of action, but I like Homeland because it tries to balance action, thoughtful dialogue and human drama.

Having said that, I was also disappointed in the season finale. I expect such episodes to wrap up some threads and leave us excited for next season with others. Last night, nothing was wrapped up. Okay, but worse, they wrapped up nothing in a pretty mundane way. Nor was there any compelling scenes leaving me tingling with anticipation for next year.

As far as season finales for shows I really like, this was one of the worst.
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Do anyone want to see Carrie's mother, sister, half-brother or even that ugly baby?

Well I guess they could only have so much preposterous plots and implausible actions in a season so they have to soften it up.

They'll probably base the next season on the next international hotspot. For now, it seems it will be Syria/Iraq, which is where Quinn is going.

Or if that doesn't pan out, they still can play out the revenge on Haqqani for awhile. At the end of the previous season, Carrie was going to Istanbul but there's no action there so they had to throw her into Istanbul.


They better get some better looking women on the cast now that Farah is dead, though maybe they're not finished with Tasneem.
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I keep watching this show from the beginning of season one and keep asking myself why. Something compels me to keep watching but I can't figure out why. Its not any good at all.

These are just my opinions.
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Gotta justify that Showtime subscription somehow?

Good thing they had The Affair right afterwards.

Looking forward to Episodes in a couple of weeks. Shameless and House of Lies, I can take or leave.

Showtime needs more fresh blood. Affair was good and so was Ray Donovan. Penny Dreadful, never watched.
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Just caught last night's finale and wow, what a stinker. This was the biggest waste of an episode since Caracas, and as the season finale no less.
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As has been said really bad episode. I appreciate them wanting to give James Rebhorn a send off but it just seemed so out of place for a season finally. Maybe had they condensed the elements of episodes 1-11 to fit into the first 10 and then had this episode be the 11th with a finale that deals with Carrie finding out about Quinn leaving and Saul possibly selling out it would have made more sense.

I think they wanted to do a proper "send off" for Rebhorn which is what this episode was supposed to be. I agree that it felt out of place within the season and more like a set up episode. This is much like what GoT does where most of the action suspense is in the episode prior to the finale and the finale is more of a bridge to next season rather than an action packed major cliffhanger episode. Coming off the high that was the past few episodes I think it fell flat, but understand why they did it.


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Showtime boss explains quiet 'Homeland' finale. That link popped up as a featured news item on my Bing homepage yesterday. While watching the show I wasn't aware it was the final or that another season was slated. Something seemed haywire showing that much that Carrie can drive a car, and of course they needed to have her link up with her baby while stateside. But overall, too mundane. Would have benefited from an action-oriented plot-teasing introduction to the coming season and less on family history. Maybe we'll be heading to Syria with Quinn. -- John
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Maybe the plan was that, even with all the chaos of their work lives, they still have families back home and they need to show that side of it.
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I keep watching this show from the beginning of season one and keep asking myself why. Something compels me to keep watching but I can't figure out why. Its not any good at all.
overall this season was much better than season 3, just a big letdown in the finale. They left the situation with the Pakistani ISI up in the air, so maybe they play into next season's story re: Syria.

I guess Lockhart won't be back next season though, since he resigned, to be possibly replaced by Saul
But the member of the President's cabinet (didn't know what his title was), knew about the video of Saul with the Taliban, so how does(did?) Saul present back to the President's staff that the video was retrieved and no copies made?
that would open up a new case of worms of how Adal infiltrated (or is playing both sides) the Taliban?
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or even that ugly baby?
Anybody think when they see the baby that it has Downs Syndrome. I know it has red hair to signify Brody but what were they thinking in the casting room!
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Anybody think when they see the baby that it has Downs Syndrome. I know it has red hair to signify Brody but what were they thinking in the casting room!
Perhaps they held screen test and this one was the winner.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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So, no payback against Haqqani? No death for that ISI bitch?!! I guess, the assets will all die a horrible death and nobody in the CIA thought about protecting them??? Oh boy... and this ugly baby! And carrie's mum with her fat ass.
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Heard that they couldn't find too many redheaded twins in South Africa where they were filming.

They also may be using CG to make the kid look more like Brody.

Producers must not have seen the Seinfeld episode about the ugly baby.
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Penny Dreadful, never watched.
Penny Dreadful is brilliant!!!

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They better get some better looking women on the cast now that Farah is dead, .
Yeah, bring back Dana!!!

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You mean you didn't like Quinn's apartment manager girlfriend?
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Like the middle of season 1 when they turned it into the Brody and Carrie show.
Homeland is a very uneven show, when it's bad it's really bad but it can be fantastic as well, all in one season. I doubt things will change much in the future.

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When asked to comment about all the ugly baby remarks, this is the reply we received:

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I hope that baby's family isn't reading this thread.
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Pakistani officals furious over Homeland

Pakistan angry over Homeland portrayal :

http://nypost.com/2014/12/27/pakista...l-in-homeland/

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I hope that baby's family isn't reading this thread.
One would hope some people would show some class and manners, but evidently it is too much to ask.
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One reason perhaps that the show didn't dwell on some retribution in the finale is that Haqqani Network is still alive and well in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Although I would hope next season that the Pakistani ISI woman suffers a multitude of paper cuts on her fingers, palms and tongue.
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