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Wow

Tremendous episode tonight. Good thinking on her part about the Faithful to your wife question.
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Wow

Tremendous episode tonight. Good thinking on her part about the Faithful to your wife question.

Why do you think she screwed him in the first place? It's called manipulation and she's very good at it.
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I figured she was just drunk and horny!

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I am still seriously dubious about her actions this episode. Telling the man she's sure is a terrorist about the nature of the polygraph test? Much less sleeping with him? Makes no sense considering how passionate she is about her job and what's at risk. They'd better have a great twist or master plan unfold in the next few episodes to explain it all.
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I thought Carrie got too drunk and then messed up by telling Brody the subject of the lie detector test.

Because when he lied about cheating on his wife and it didn't register as a lie, she knew he was fooling the test.

If it was her plan to drunkenly tell him about the test, why didn't she tell Saul at the test facility how she knew Brody was lying?
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Why do you think she screwed him in the first place? It's called manipulation and she's very good at it.

Agree - very aggressive. She'll keep it up to gain more access and likely blow her career in the process.

Anyone notice Saul passed the test just like Brody.
He answered No and then Yes to the same question without a movement on the machine.
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I thought Carrie got too drunk and then messed up by telling Brody the subject of the lie detector test.

Because when he lied about cheating on his wife and it didn't register as a lie, she knew he was fooling the test.

If it was her plan to drunkenly tell him about the test, why didn't she tell Saul at the test facility how she knew Brody was lying?

Because Saul would never approve of her sleeping with Brody to get information.

My impression of the drunk/sex scene was that Carrie was in total control and got the one up on Brody (which is different from their interaction outside his support group meeting, where I thought Carrie was in over her head and Brody played her like a fiddle).

Telling him about the razor question didn't allow him to beat the test because he clearly had no idea the adultery question was coming and still beat it anyway. The question is: why did he lie about the adultery thing? I'm assuming we'll find out quickly, given out how the episode ended. But it seems to me the right course of action would've been to just admit to adultery. No one would question it. Everyone knows he and his wife are having relationship problems.

I loved the way the Saul thing played out on the lie detector. What a well placed red herring--your first reaction is, Saul might be guilty. But then it becomes clear that Saul isn't guilty, and the test is just not all that reliable. Saul even makes the point that they often have to go to through the lie detector several times to get the right result--apparently due to stress and blood pressure issues. And then they prove just how unreliable it is by having Brody ace the test in a clear lie.

If there's one thing that didn't make sense--they go through all this effort to show that the test isn't foolproof, and then Carrie acts like Brody must be superhuman because he beat the test.
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Telling him about the razor question didn't allow him to beat the test because he clearly had no idea the adultery question was coming and still beat it anyway. The question is: why did he lie about the adultery thing? I'm assuming we'll find out quickly, given out how the episode ended. But it seems to me the right course of action would've been to just admit to adultery. No one would question it. Everyone knows he and his wife are having relationship problems.

When he lied about being unfaithful, he looked right into the camera and said No. He knew Carrie was watching, and he knows that she is the only person that will know that is a lie.

And I'm not sure what you mean that telling him about the test didn't allow him to beat it. Wouldn't he have taken some type of sedative so that the machine wouldn't pick up anything to beat the test? That would have worked on the razor question and the adultery question.
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I thought Carrie got too drunk and then messed up by telling Brody the subject of the lie detector test.

She is a CIA field agent, and a beautiful woman. This is all SOP for her, using booze and/or sex to manipulate men is second nature. I doubt that getting drunk would cause her to lose control.
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Isn't domestic issue within the jurisdiction of FBI instead of CIA?

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Great episode can't wait for next episode (where in white blonde is caught at the border and where in someone says '...a pow was turned'. This reminds me a lot of a similar preview in Rubicon near end of the series. How many more episodes to go?
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I love these 30 secs or less "coitus" scenes.. LOL...

I think Carrie also lied about taking illegal drugs while on the CIA, she is still taking them...

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I love these 30 secs or less "coitus" scenes.. LOL...

I think Carrie also lied about taking illegal drugs while on the CIA, she is still taking them...

Yeah the poly showed that response.

Killing the suspected terrorist was a real jolt - I did not see that coming. Having the girl be the real terrorist and an American was inspiring. Shows that ya never know what's out there.

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I love these 30 secs or less "coitus" scenes.. LOL...

I think Carrie also lied about taking illegal drugs while on the CIA, she is still taking them...

The anti-psychotic drugs that she's taking are legal but how she is getting them is now bordering on illegal for her and her sister. Brody's perfromance on the polygraph was absolutely chilling. When Carrie tried to trip him up on the infidelity question, he was ice cold in responding. It raises a lot of questions about whether he was trained to beat the test and, if so, where and when. Ironically, the original Manchurian Candidate was on TV Saturday and those scenes in which the POWs think that they are at a ladies tea party are still very powerful with, of course, the great Khigh Dhiegh as the chief "lady".
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Thank you for the correction. I could have sworn someone else posted it as well, but can't find it now. They mentioned it was on the CCD that it was Hebrew. Either way he is/was fluent in Arabic and Hebrew

I don't think we know he's fluent in Hebrew. Any moderately observant Jew knows the Kaddish (Prayer for the Dead) from memory, at least the first few lines of it that we saw him recite. It's recited at nearly every synagogue service, and transliterated in every prayer book. It's one of those things you sort of pick up from osmosis even if you don't know Hebrew but attend services regularly.

He may or may not be fluent, we just can't deduce that from what we saw.
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I hate to nit pick an excellent show. Carries shouts to the examiner to "ask him again" is way out of line since I believe Brody would have heard her. At the same time, since no response was shown I guess Brody is really "cool".

I didn't notice any earphones on the examiner so I assume Brody could hear her.

Also, Saul being examined by a friend is way out of line I should think.

For the most part, wasn't Carrie "sipping" the booze for the most part?

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I hate to nit pick an excellent show. Carries shouts to the examiner to "ask him again" is way out of line since I believe Brody would have heard her. At the same time, since no response was shown I guess Brody is really "cool".

I didn't notice any earphones on the examiner so I assume Brody could hear her.

Also, Saul being examined by a friend is way out of line I should think.

For the most part, wasn't Carrie "sipping" the booze for the most part?

Have you ever heard of earbuds? Of course the examiner had one. That room was an interrogation room. It is soundproof from the inside to the outside. The examiner was not a friend, he was an employee who has does this numerous time with every CIA person. He knows them all and they all know him....

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Great show. Love this series.
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1) The polygraph has never been proven to be scientifically accurate, so I'm surprised they put so much faith in it. If Brody faked the results, Saul could have as well. Actually, David and Carrie could have, as well.
2) Carrie wasn't drunk; she sipped and faked it.
3) As soon as the couple pulled into the farmhouse driveway, I knew it was a setup to knock them off. Now that the CIA are on their tail, they're too much of a liability to keep alive. My only surprise was that the blonde cut and ran. If she was indoctrinated as a terrorist, you would think she'd be willing to sacrifice herself for the cause.

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Beating the polygraph is standard training for most military and civilian intelligence operatives. I agree it was a very unlikely scenario to include in the story.
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The polygraph scenes were indeed central and interesting. Both Brody and Saul seemingly gave suspect answers, leaving the question of guilt open on both of them. The show continues to be very good and maintains a high dose of intrigue despite the heavy inference that Brody is fully turned.

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I'm enjoying this show a lot and can't add much to what's been said. Now we need to see who succeeded in killing the prof and is chasing the woman. Previews looked good.

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Yeah, seemed too easy to say the woman is a terrorist. She has appeared scared from the beginning but tried to calm her husband. I think there is definitely more to that story line.
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Sounds to me like the polygraph was messed with that day, nothing made a blip on it. Don't they need to establish a baseline by having them tell a lie or something? Saul's answer the previous day might not have been a red herring...
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Sounds to me like the polygraph was messed with that day, nothing made a blip on it. Don't they need to establish a baseline by having them tell a lie or something? Saul's answer the previous day might not have been a red herring...

The whole idea of giving a polygraph someone who knows in advance the big question (who passed the razor blade to the prisoner) is just beyond belief- with that in mind, it's no wonder he (Saul) passed on the second go-round.

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The whole idea of giving a polygraph someone who knows in advance the big question (who passed the razor blade to the prisoner) is just beyond belief- with that in mind, it's no wonder he (Saul) passed on the second go-round.

He knew the first time, too.

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Yeah, seemed too easy to say the woman is a terrorist. She has appeared scared from the beginning but tried to calm her husband. I think there is definitely more to that story line.

JMHO but it appeared that she.was.the leader of the two. She was the one in contact with.those in charge. It appeared that the professor was in it because of her. In the end she was in survival mode.

As far as the polygraph goes. Saul was.telling the truth then when it came to the passing the razor he went off the scales. When the administrator was about to ask him again he left in a hurry. The next time he.calmed himself.down and was a "flat line" Carrie failed on illegal drugs because technically they are illegal. The only prescription she has is from her sister and they are.from samples, ect. If she had gotten them legally she would lose her position due to her mental instability.
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Carrie failed on illegal drugs because technically they are illegal. The only prescription she has is from her sister and they are.from samples, ect. If she had gotten them legally she would lose her position due to her mental instability.

She also stole some from her father when her sister was not home.

A little bit more trivia about the medicine she takes semi-legally. Getting a normal prescription would require quarterly blood tests to check for major side effects.
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Fantastic. Real emotional episode.
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Tonight's episode seems to change the whole story around.

The truth came pouring out. But Brody could still be working for the terrorists since he continues to lie about killing Walker.

Unless Nazir told him had killed Walker, but the beating actually only injured him.
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