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It should be about fanbase, not distance.

I understand the primary markets, but they should be more flexible on the secondary markets. There was such a backlash against Harrisburg's CBS affiliate for airing all Ravens away games instead of Steelers games that a few years ago, they sent a letter to the NFL asking them to allow the local UPN affiliate to air the Steelers games opposite their Ravens broadcasts. The NFL declined.
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I understand the primary markets, but they should be more flexible on the secondary markets. There was such a backlash against Harrisburg's CBS affiliate for airing all Ravens away games instead of Steelers games that a few years ago, they sent a letter to the NFL asking them to allow the local UPN affiliate to air the Steelers games opposite their Ravens broadcasts. The NFL declined.

If Steelers fans are dissatisfied with WHP (who with NBC, ESPN, NFLN games, the Steelers air at least 14-15 times every season in Harrisburg), then there's always DirecTV and the bars.

Other teams don't go out of their way to create bars all across the country. I'm sure I can find plenty of Steelers bars in Central Florida, does that mean WTSP in Tampa should air the Steelers over the Jaguars or Dolphins? I don't think so.

In this day and age, there's really no reason to wage war against affiliates. Of course, this would be even easier if the NFL ditched its exclusivity with DTV and made a streaming product available to everyone the way all the other pro leagues have.
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If Steelers fans are dissatisfied with WHP (who with NBC, ESPN, NFLN games, the Steelers air at least 14-15 times every season in Harrisburg), then there's always DirecTV and the bars.

Other teams don't go out of their way to create bars all across the country. I'm sure I can find plenty of Steelers bars in Central Florida, does that mean WTSP in Tampa should air the Steelers over the Jaguars or Dolphins? I don't think so.

In this day and age, there's really no reason to wage war against affiliates. Of course, this would be even easier if the NFL ditched its exclusivity with DTV and made a streaming product available to everyone the way all the other pro leagues have.

I think you missed the point somewhere. The affiliates have no control over the situation - the NFL does.
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I think you missed the point somewhere.

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I think you missed the point somewhere. The affiliates have no control over the situation - the NFL does.

But the affiliates are the ones who receive the backlash.

The NFL has the interest of ensuring 32 large fanbases and the financial health of every franchise. Somebody's going to lose out. The NFL has been smart here to not go the MLB route and throw a few teams down everyone's throat. The Harrisburg situation is not nearly as bad as Erie where the Bills, Steelers and Browns all have claims and are all on CBS at the same time, Columbus where the Bengals and Browns frequently overlap and there's a frequent push to throw the Steelers on there too.

My solution to this is simple. End syndication exclusivity, which serves no legitimate purpose other than protectionism of the broadcast fiefdoms. Comcast in Harrisburg should be able to pump in WTAJ for a Steelers game if they wish if market demand warrants it. Before syndex, multiple affiliates were common on systems, even if as a temporary channel for a sporting event.
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But the affiliates are the ones who receive the backlash.

The NFL has the interest of ensuring 32 large fanbases and the financial health of every franchise. Somebody's going to lose out. The NFL has been smart here to not go the MLB route and throw a few teams down everyone's throat. The Harrisburg situation is not nearly as bad as Erie where the Bills, Steelers and Browns all have claims and are all on CBS at the same time, Columbus where the Bengals and Browns frequently overlap and there's a frequent push to throw the Steelers on there too.

My solution to this is simple. End syndication exclusivity, which serves no legitimate purpose other than protectionism of the broadcast fiefdoms. Comcast in Harrisburg should be able to pump in WTAJ for a Steelers game if they wish if market demand warrants it. Before syndex, multiple affiliates were common on systems, even if as a temporary channel for a sporting event.

Your first paragraph and second paragraph seem to contradict each other.

My hometown in NW PA is in the Youngstown, OH DMA - about an hour South of Erie. Youngstown though is a secondary market for BOTH the Steelers and the Browns - the affiliate can pick which ever team they want.

As far as Erie, PA it's no worse than Harrisburg - it's very similar. Erie is split very close between Steelers and Browns fans with hardly any Bills fans - and they are a secondary market for the Bills. So their affiliate is airing a team's away games that nobody in the town cares about - just like in Harrisburg.
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Your first paragraph and second paragraph seem to contradict each other.

My hometown in NW PA is in the Youngstown, OH DMA - about an hour South of Erie. Youngstown though is a secondary market for BOTH the Steelers and the Browns - the affiliate can pick which ever team they want.

As far as Erie, PA it's no worse than Harrisburg - it's very similar. Erie is split very close between Steelers and Browns fans with hardly any Bills fans - and they are a secondary market for the Bills. So their affiliate is airing a team's away games that nobody in the town cares about - just like in Harrisburg.

Wrong. WKBN can not just pick who it airs, secondary market rules are dependent upon who is a road team. If the Browns are on the road and the Steelers are at home, then WKBN must air the Browns. It only has a choice whenever both teams are on the road. And many of these issues are alleviated in immediate Youngstown/Warren as Time Warner carries WOIO on both systems who can always air the Browns. The problems come with Dish/DTV/Armstrong customers.

And Erie is definitely worse than Harrisburg. All 3 teams are in the AFC. In the case of Harrisburg, you have 3 teams usually performing well with larger fanbases meaning more primetime/feature games, and the Eagles are in the NFC. This means that in almost all cases, at least 2 of the 3 will air in Harrisburg. There's plenty of times where the Steelers and Browns fans are screwed in Erie because they must air Bills road games.

I think you forget that the Harrisburg DMA extends into York County. There are plenty of Ravens fans in York County.
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Your arguments grow tangents like kudzu.

Clearly secondary markets are only relevant for away games. That's obvious and noted in my last post you quoted ["airing a team's away games that nobody in the town cares about"]

I give up. There's no arguing with someone who believes that Pennsylvania is Baltimore Browns country.

See you in the playoffs - hopefully.
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Your arguments grow tangents like kudzu.

Clearly secondary markets are only relevant for away games. That's obvious and noted in my last post you quoted ["airing a team's away games that nobody in the town cares about"]

I give up. There's no arguing with someone who believes that Pennsylvania is Baltimore Browns country.

See you in the playoffs - hopefully.

Your continually dismissive tone and your intentional misuse of the Ravens name is increasingly looking like trolling.
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I think you missed the point somewhere. The affiliates have no control over the situation - the NFL does.

That is soured of true. However the NFL gives USUALLY gives a secondary market a choice of 2 or three games to choose from. My point of reference is 2-4 years ago my Fox station had online polls for people to pick there game. Since the 49ers won every poll. THey chose to air almost every 49er game in the last two years. Even though the Fox station is 300 miles south of SF (Santa Barbara). I also talked the programming director in 2009-2010.
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Bizarre to see that MIN/SD won't be on in Los Angeles (or anywhere in California except for SD). Do FOX stations have local authority to pick their game? (i.e. is it a waste of time to bombard the FOX LA GM with calls over the next few days?)

YAY, LA has been switched from NYG-WAS to MIN-SD. I guess they were just waiting for the game to sell out.
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YAY, LA has been switched from NYG-WAS to MIN-SD. I guess they were just waiting for the game to sell out.

Thats a bet I would've lost, but happy for all the Bolts fans in the Los Angeles DMA.

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What happened to Gus Johnson? Was he booted for Marv Albert?
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What happened to Gus Johnson? Was he booted for Marv Albert?

He left for Fox and is doing college football.
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He left for Fox and is doing college football.

I believe he'll be doing Pro games as well.
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That is soured of true. However the NFL gives USUALLY gives a secondary market a choice of 2 or three games to choose from. My point of reference is 2-4 years ago my Fox station had online polls for people to pick there game. Since the 49ers won every poll. THey chose to air almost every 49er game in the last two years. Even though the Fox station is 300 miles south of SF (Santa Barbara). I also talked the programming director in 2009-2010.

The Santa Barbara DMA isn't designated as a secondary market for any NFL team, so they don't have the same restrictions. If they were closer to San Diego and designated a Chargers secondary market, they'd have to air all Chargers away games.
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And are the fans supposed to switch their generations of support for one team, to an out of state team (especially the Baltimore Browns) because it is closer geographically?

Since you are a moderator of this board, I am especially surprised at this unnecessary and inflammatory post. Art Modell had the integrity to purposely leave ALL the Browns heritage (name, records, player history) behind in Cleveland and fully support the development of an expansion franchise for the city he was forced to leave because of financial difficulty. He left in broad daylight, no lies or misdirection. You want to make disparaging comments about any franchise and it's owners than you need to concentrate on the events surrounding the "stealing" of the Baltimore Colts. The "Owner who will not be named", lest he return from his deserved grave, promised openly to the mayor and to the media that he would not leave without consulting with the mayor. Instead he pulled up stakes in the middle of the night, took everything including the name, history, and team records, and left nothing to a proud fan base. The fact they have the nerve to put up the name of Johnny Unitas in that abomination of a stadium in Indianapolis, AGAINST THE WISHES of the great quarterback, shows how they continue to thumb their noses at the city of Baltimore. It is a hideous blot against the entire leagues reputation for "fair play".

Johnny U. Has his rightful statue outside the Ravens stadium, where he was happy to see it erected, and in the city he continued to call home.

Unless and until the Indianapolis Blots return our name and history to it's rightful owners, no one has a right to say anything negative about the Baltimore Ravens!

And BTW, I'm a native NY'er, a giants fan, and just a Baltimore transfer resident now. But I saw what it did to this town, and it was a massive travesty!
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You're preaching to the choir re: Colts. Baltimore got screwed.

As far as the Ravens holding some "above any criticism" status, I can't agree. For lifelong Steelers fans that grew up hating the Browns - the leaving behind of Browns history did not change the fact that our number 1 rivalry relocated to Baltimore. We knew it was still them, all the personnel were the same, etc. and there was no immediate replacement in Cleveland. The positive side is that the rivalry was able to continue.

The Ravens & Steelers are probably the last two teams playing "real" football - so I hate them - with respect. But if you are going to consider extremely mild jabs at your favorite team as "inflammatory", you'd probably be better served to avoid NFL threads throughout the year.
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You should definitely watch the ESPN 30 for 30 film by Barry Levinson about Baltimore getting screwed.

It was called, "The Band that wouldn't die".

Excellent documentary. Actually the whole collection is very good. And some of the films are downright fantastic.
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Agreed. The Baltimore one is especially good.

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Was able to watch the majority of the 2nd half of MIN/SD from the comfort of my own home (really the first game of football I've been able to watch at home and not on my Sprint EVO 4G's 4.3" screen hooked via Slingbox or the NFL ST To Go app for my phone). Anyways in my opinion, the MIN/SD game looks pretty good. I don't see any video noise or anything bad. Watching on KSWB-Fox 5/69.

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2012 week 1 maps are up !!

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2012 NFL Week 1 needs its own thread!
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2012 NFL Week 1 needs its own thread!

Woohoo great slate of games here in ABQ. I was a bit worried we'd get stuck with SEA @ ARI.

Also, go COWBOYS!!!
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Once again , for week 1, you can watch any game you want if you have Directv. They are having a free preview weekend for Sunday ticket.
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