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Elam may be back and the only witness to the Swede's killing of the Mormon family has now been senselessly killed himself. That was a shocker!
Incorrect! The boy killed was the kid on the train who was looking at his guns and not the Mormon kid being raised by the church lady.
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Amazingly good episode. Wow. What an opening scene! Very, very, VERY disappointed that it looks like Elam is back. I wasn't a fan of his character/acting.
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Incorrect! The boy killed was the kid on the train who was looking at his guns and not the Mormon kid being raised by the church lady.
Thank goodness for that! Sorry for my error. That's what I get for watching the late showing "live" when my eyelids were getting heavy. I need to watch it again on the DVR.
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I agree that Hell on Wheels has returned to the top of its game this season. I lost track of the number of scenes in this week's show that had me gasping, including Sydney's senseless killing of the little boy after he had (justifiably) killed the vengeful Mexican and his two henchmen. Sydney is a monster but he has a bond with Bohannan and Bohannan knows it. I tend to agree with Sydney's claim that he had decided not to kill Bohannan's wife.

It seem's pretty clear that Elam is coming back to Hell on Wheels and I will be glad of it if it turns out that way.

I had thought all along that the two carpetbagger thugs who viciously beat Bohannan would die in some horrible way but did not foresee that one of them would die at Mickey's hand. Mickey is a dangerous dude! Although the surviving thug has just given Durant a vicious beating, I still think he's not long for this world -- at least I hope not.
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Yeah. That's a dead carpetbagger walking.
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Looks like the governor's task force isn't exactly up to the task of keeping the peace. They were nowhere to be found during the gunfight and only showed up after it was over. Even Cullen got there before them. Mickey is dangerous and not a big guy so he has to pick his fights carefully. At least he didn't kill any women this time. I don't know what to make of the revelation that Cullen and Sydney shot a train full of wounded soldiers and the doctors and nurses. Sydney called it the greatest day of his life while Cullen didn't really seem too thrilled to be reminded of it. It will be good to have Elam back next week.
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Looks like the governor's task force isn't exactly up to the task of keeping the peace. They were nowhere to be found during the gunfight and only showed up after it was over. Even Cullen got there before them. Mickey is dangerous and not a big guy so he has to pick his fights carefully. At least he didn't kill any women this time. I don't know what to make of the revelation that Cullen and Sydney shot a train full of wounded soldiers and the doctors and nurses. Sydney called it the greatest day of his life while Cullen didn't really seem too thrilled to be reminded of it. It will be good to have Elam back next week.
I thought Sydney's description of the systematic execution of a hospital train full of wounded soldiers was a chilling reminder of just how horrible war can be. There but for the grace of God could go any one of us. On the other hand, Sydney is a stone killer and an adrenaline junky so I guess he really did love the killing. In stark contrast, Bohannan could only remember how hot his gun barrels were when it was all over.
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Elam lives? That eye looked really creepy...


Looks like Bohannan has some real trouble brewing....
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Well, that certainly was an interesting episode. It makes you wonder if Elam's strange behavior was caused by more than just the mental trauma of being mauled by the bear. Perhaps that huge tooth embedded in his skull gave him some sort of temporary or permanent brain damage. I really hated that he killed the old fur trapper who was only trying to help him.

And that eye... What type of damage would make it look like that? In one of the scenes where it appeared to show Elam looking through his own eyes, the vision from the right eye was clear but, rather than total blindness, it almost seemed to show cloudy vision out of the left one.

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When the Indian woman pulled that tooth out of his skull I thought there was no way he wouldn't have some sort of brain damage, that tooth was in deep. Now he thinks he's indestructible based on myth. I noticed the same thing with the eye looking clear in one scene and then cloudy again. I think the tooth went in his head over the eye which could explain it. Great job by the makeup dept. showing his wounds. I don't like that he killed the trapper or the soldiers and he is going to be in real trouble if he keeps wearing the union jacket of one of the guys he killed. Next week should be interesting since judging by the previews he will be back in Cheyenne and will hopefully get help.
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Hell on Wheels has become chillingly dark and I am enjoying every minute of it. Until nearly the very end of this week's episode there was no English dialog, other than a line or two that Elam delivered. I thought the horror of how elementally bleak life on the frontier plains was in the early post Civil War years was brilliantly drawn by the story of Charlotte Royce, who was first taken and serially raped by the Comanches and later rescued, sort of, by Elam. It caused to me to reflect on what sort of horrors Eve must have endured during her time with the Indians, other than the horribly disfiguring tattoo they gave her, which we are reminded of every time we see her. This show is at the top of its game these days, I hope it gets another season.
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Hell on Wheels has become chillingly dark and I am enjoying every minute of it. Until nearly the very end of this week's episode there was no English dialog, other than a line or two that Elam delivered. I thought the horror of how elementally bleak life on the frontier plains was in the early post Civil War years was brilliantly drawn by the story of Charlotte Royce, who was first taken and serially raped by the Comanches and later rescued, sort of, by Elam. It caused to me to reflect on what sort of horrors Eve must have endured during her time with the Indians, other than the horribly disfiguring tattoo they gave her, which we are reminded of every time we see her. This show is at the top of its game these days, I hope it gets another season.
What?! You didn't hit your SAP button?
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What?! You didn't hit your SAP button?
Absolutely not! If Elam couldn't understand what the Comanches were saying, I certainly didn't want to. More seriously, I thought both the writing and production of this episode were brilliant. It's clear to me anyway, that the Hell on Wheels showrunners aren't afraid to take risks. For example, when the obviously deranged Elam stabbed the trader to death, my eyes nearly popped out of my head. Elam was so disoriented, he apparently thought for quite a while that Charlotte Royce was Eva.
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Ugh, simply awful bottle episode. Way too much time spent telling a tale that's been done plenty of times before, and with probably the worst character on the show. Also over the top with the cinematics, seems like they're going for the artsy-fartsy angle and it's not working for me.

This show would be a lot better if they had killed off the Swede and Elam when they had the chance. These are just time-wasting plots with characters that mean nothing in the long term. It should be focused on three things - Bohannon, Durant, and the railroad. Everything else is tangential to those and should revolve around them.

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This show is losing me.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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Ugh, simply awful bottle episode. Way too much time spent telling a tale that's been done plenty of times before, and with probably the worst character on the show. Also over the top with the cinematics, seems like they're going for the artsy-fartsy angle and it's not working for me.

This show would be a lot better if they had killed off the Swede and Elam when they had the chance. These are just time-wasting plots with characters that mean nothing in the long term. It should be focused on three things - Bohannon, Durant, and the railroad. Everything else is tangential to those and should revolve around them.

JMHO.
Although I normally respect your opinion, I almost totally disagree with you on this one. I do agree that The Swede should have been 'dispatched' following his confession in front of the entire Mormon group (maybe Bohannon will get a second chance to rectify his earlier attempt) , but how can you say that Elam is the worst character on the show (I assume that's who you meant)? Parts of the most recent episode were tough to watch, but I was fascinated all the way through it.

Elam means nothing to the show? Although the term was never used, he was Cullen's best friend at a time in history when a black man would never be a white man's best friend. He truly loved Eva when nearly everyone else, except for maybe her deceased husband, only wanted her for her body. He was a leader to his men and a man to be respected and yes, even feared. I could continue, but suffice it to say, IMHO, Elam Ferguson is not incidental to the show. Could the show have gone on without him? Of course. It has continued without the lovely Lily Bell, but I still miss her and think the show would be better with her. Same goes for Elam Ferguson.

As for artsy-fartsy, that's exactly what my son said. HOWEVER, we both thought of that as a good thing and continue to marvel at the excellent cinematography of the entire series.
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A bad episode in an otherwise great season. I was using the FF button on my DVR while watching it.
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Yep, that was me Remy. It's not so much that they brought Elam back (which was bad enough), it's that they devoted an entire ep to something they should have just done some quick scenes on to get him back in the show. The 'hero restored by <pick your opposite class/race/culture>' story has been done over and over and there was no reason to waste an entire ep on it, except that they went for the 'art form' of it all. For example, was it really necessary to spend half the ep watching him lay around in the teepee, looking up at the sky and observing his rescuers arguing his fate (in a language we don't get, with no subtitles)?

I submit that yes indeed, Elam means nothing to the show. Nobody here was complaining while he was MIA this season, and it's not like Bohannon couldn't go on without him regardless of their past. More importantly to me, pretty much every scene with Common in it is a drag because he's just not that good an actor.

Agree that this has been a good season btw, useless Swede and Elam scenes notwithstanding.

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I actually liked the episode but kept hoping it would resolve itself more quickly and leave a little time to see what was happening in Cheyenne.
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I fall somewhere on the middle with this last episode. I thought it was an interesting idea, but something was off about the pacing and structure. It had no distinct act breaks, and every commercial break felt like it was cutting into the middle of a scene. Then at the end it just stopped, with no climax or resolution.

More than that, there's only one way this storyline can go. If Elam is crazy and dangerous, he has to die. If the show is going to kill him off, why not let the bear do it and get it over with? The show is just dragging out the inevitable at this point.
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I fall somewhere on the middle with this last episode. I thought it was an interesting idea, but something was off about the pacing and structure. It had no distinct act breaks, and every commercial break felt like it was cutting into the middle of a scene. Then at the end it just stopped, with no climax or resolution.

More than that, there's only one way this storyline can go. If Elam is crazy and dangerous, he has to die. If the show is going to kill him off, why not let the bear do it and get it over with? The show is just dragging out the inevitable at this point.
Well you were right. Quite possibly the worst episode of this series. I liked Elam, he deserved better than to be shot down like a rabid dog.
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Who is Abby? I can't remember who we're talking about, somebody refresh my memory, who was her father.
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Well you were right. Quite possibly the worst episode of this series. I liked Elam, he deserved better than to be shot down like a rabid dog.
And me, I thought it was the best episode of the series.
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Who is Abby? I can't remember who we're talking about, somebody refresh my memory, who was her father.
She's the daughter of Sen. Metcalf, who was a member of the bank(railroad?) board of directors who Durant shot and killed. Micky the casino owner helped Durant cover it up and black-mailed Durant, I think, for the capital to open the casino. The shooting was in the hotel where Durant was living.

She is married to the current chief engineer of the railroad construction, the guy that almost killed everyone with his tunnel blasting efforts.
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She's the daughter of Sen. Metcalf, who was a member of the bank(railroad?) board of directors who Durant shot and killed. Micky the casino owner helped Durant cover it up and black-mailed Durant, I think, for the capital to open the casino. The shooting was in the hotel where Durant was living.

She is married to the current chief engineer of the railroad construction, the guy that almost killed everyone with his tunnel blasting efforts.
Thanks, I vaguely remember him, that was quite a while back.
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The Swede will be with us next week. My guess is he and Cullen have unfinished business that will be addressed in future episodes.
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It was an OK episode. I thought they dragged out the whole will they or wont they kill him part. I also don't think the law men would of waited so long to shoot him when he had Cullen down on the ground and when he had a knife to the head. Plus, Common's friend in camp blaming Cullen was a little uncalled for when he clearly saw first hand what he was like and how messed up he was and how he had a knife pushed part way into Cullen's forehead. I think that gives you the right to kill him right there.


Cullen's crying scene at the end was a little awkward too. Seemed like a weird cry/scream thing he was doing and took me out of the moment instead of feeling sorry for him.

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Considering Elam's devastating injuries and subsequent mental problems, I think the episode played out in the "best" way possible. Try as he might, Cullen couldn't bring Elam back to sanity, so it came down to kill or be killed. Sure, he could have let someone else do the deed, but Cullen wanted to try to help his friend until the last possible moment. In the final scene, his grief was genuine and I like to think it was not only for Elam, but also for Lily, his first wife and child, and for all the bad things he's ever been associated with.
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I don't understand the whole point of bringing Elam back from the dead only to kill him another way. Seemed like a waste of an episode and a half to me. Perhaps it will play out into something later on, but if not, it was a waste of time. The show was much better this season without Elam anyway.
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Elam really died a tragic death.....Cullen seemed devastated.
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