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There were two other graves where Cullen buried Elam. Have we seen who is buried there? Lilly? Anyone else?
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And me, I thought it was the best episode of the series.
Tough crowd. I thought it was outstanding, too. And last week's episode was needed to set it up.

Elam/Common got one hell of a nice sendoff.

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Tough crowd. I thought it was outstanding, too. And last week's episode was needed to set it up.
I thought it was a very good episode too, wasn't a big fan of last week's, but agree that it set this one up just right. If they had to bring Elam back for a couple of shows, this was as good as any, only thing that seemed out of kilter was the time lines, seemed like only a short time took place with Elam while a lot of time seemed to have passed at Hell On Wheels, it probably coincided, but it seemed like the timeline was out of kilter to me.
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There were two other graves where Cullen buried Elam. Have we seen who is buried there? Lilly? Anyone else?
I doubt if one of them was Lily's. Wasn't she killed long before they got anywhere Cheyenne?
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When the pallbearers transferred the coffin to Cullen's wagon I expected to see them to continue walking to the cemetery, which as we saw shortly, was close to the town. It was like the group suddenly decided their obligation was over. It didn't read real to my mind.
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I liked this week's episode too. Somehow, the show continues to entertain me while avoiding (albeit narrowly sometimes) jumping the shark. As many of us were predicting earlier, the governor's two thugs who viciously beat Bohannan died equally violently, albeit at the hands of different assailants. The one who went toes up in this week's episode learned the lethal lesson that crossing Doc Durant is a bad idea. Why do I think the governor is going to learn the same lesson before long, although maybe not with the loss of his life?

I think I understand why Bohannan stabbed Elam in the belly. They were in a fight to the death so Bohannan finally had to make up his mind to lethally wound Elam or die himself. I assume he shot Elam after that as an act of mercy both because the knife wound was almost certainly a death sentence but also to put the psychotic Elam out of his mental and physical misery. That was a deliciously ambiguous sequence, which I thought was well done.
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I liked this week's episode too. Somehow, the show continues to entertain me while avoiding (albeit narrowly sometimes) jumping the shark. As many of us were predicting earlier, the governor's two thugs who viciously beat Bohannan died equally violently, albeit at the hands of different assailants. The one who went toes up in this week's episode learned the lethal lesson that crossing Doc Durant is a bad idea. Why do I think the governor is going to learn the same lesson before long, although maybe not with the loss of his life?

I think I understand why Bohannan stabbed Elam in the belly. They were in a fight to the death so Bohannan finally had to make up his mind to lethally wound Elam or die himself. I assume he shot Elam after that as an act of mercy both because the knife wound was almost certainly a death sentence but also to put the psychotic Elam out of his mental and physical misery. That was a deliciously ambiguous sequence, which I thought was well done.
My interpretation of the stabbing was one last chance, I don't think it was intended as a mortal wound, but one last chance to snap him out of his current state, after he stabbed him, Bohannon looked him in the eye(s) and realized it didn't have any effect and decided to just end it there, because he didn't see any chance of Elam ever coming out of it.
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Considering Elam's devastating injuries and subsequent mental problems, I think the episode played out in the "best" way possible. Try as he might, Cullen couldn't bring Elam back to sanity, so it came down to kill or be killed. Sure, he could have let someone else do the deed, but Cullen wanted to try to help his friend until the last possible moment. In the final scene, his grief was genuine and I like to think it was not only for Elam, but also for Lily, his first wife and child, and for all the bad things he's ever been associated with.
My impression too that his grief was for everyone that he lost and all the frustration associated with the rail road. Yes it was awkward but I think that had more to do with how Anson Mount played it.
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My impression too that his grief was for everyone that he lost and all the frustration associated with the rail road. Yes it was awkward but I think that had more to do with how Anson Mount played it.
I agree, this was his long bottled up grief going back to his first wife and child all the way to Elam. He never had the time or wherewithal to address this. His new bride and child have made him start to want to change his killing ways at the same time forcing him to face his past.
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I don't understand the whole point of bringing Elam back from the dead only to kill him another way. Seemed like a waste of an episode and a half to me. Perhaps it will play out into something later on, but if not, it was a waste of time. The show was much better this season without Elam anyway.
Agreed, makes the last ep even more of a waste. But anyway it's a good thing and now maybe they'll come up with a way to kill off the Swede then we can get back down to business.
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My interpretation of the stabbing was one last chance, I don't think it was intended as a mortal wound, but one last chance to snap him out of his current state, after he stabbed him, Bohannon looked him in the eye(s) and realized it didn't have any effect and decided to just end it there, because he didn't see any chance of Elam ever coming out of it.
I agree that Bohannan didn't necessarily intend to inflict a mortal wound but after he saw where he had stabbed Elam he realized that the wound would almost certainly be fatal. That's when I think Bohannan decided to shoot Elam and, finally, put him out of his misery. Clearly, Bohannan wanted to save Elam before Elam's aggressiveness proved that it would be impossible.
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My interpretation of the stabbing was one last chance, I don't think it was intended as a mortal wound, but one last chance to snap him out of his current state, after he stabbed him, Bohannon looked him in the eye(s) and realized it didn't have any effect and decided to just end it there, because he didn't see any chance of Elam ever coming out of it.
I would agree - perhaps he was trying to convince him he doesn't have "bear magic"?
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It appears Cullen is a bit perturbed with the way Palmer is bringing Law and Order and I think the Undertakers will be pretty busy
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