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post #811 of 887 Old 06-13-2016, 03:16 PM
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I wasn't a big fan of the episode either. All it did was setup a couple of conflicts where you knew the Swede was not going to kill Cullen.

Any thoughts where the story line goes now? This was the big conflict they setup in the cliffhanger of the 1/2 season and in 1 episode its over.
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Well, they'll get back to the core story -- the finish of the Intercontinental railroad and the eventual driving of the Golden Spike, which will be the natural endpoint for the series. Plenty of drama to come. Saddle up!
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So the Swede is really Norwegian and from the flashbacks was a regular well liked guy until he was put in to Andersonville in brutal conditions and snapped. Bohannon did want to kill him but also wanted to prove to Naomi that he has changed so he drags him to the nearest fort for trial while suffering a bullet wound to the leg. That they managed to drag this out for the entire episode with what seemed like extended breaks but still made it somewhat entertaining is remarkable. I'm glad the Swede is probably gone as a " living " character but at least they gave him a long sendoff instead of dragging it out over the next few episodes. Jeff Fahey must've owed Anson Mount a favor to take on such a small part.
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He'll probably end up on another show playing a Norwegian.
Yes, only 30 years in the future.
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Dream sequences, anyone???

I really hope not, but, as much as I HATE the character, I fear we they have further plans for the Ghost of The Swede!
Seeing as how there are only a few episodes left until the SERIES finale, I doubt they have any plans for him.

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So the Swede is really Norwegian and from the flashbacks was a regular well liked guy until he was put in to Andersonville in brutal conditions and snapped.
It's kind of been a running gag through the series, him telling people he's really Norwegian. But I did enjoy the flashbacks that shed a little more light on why he became such a psychopath. The unimaginable brutality of the Civil War probably did that to a lot of folks.

Even Bohannan. The primary arc of the series has been his redemption, overcoming his traumatic past and becoming a "civilized" man, paralleling how the railroad brought civilization to the American west.
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Cullen's decision to take the Swede back to hang instead of killing him on the Hatch property in revenge for the brutal murders of the Hatches was toweringly preposterous. I decided to forgive the writers, though. The show has mostly been a fantasy purportedly based on history. Those not willing to check their credulity far away are bound to be disappointed. At the end of the day I enjoyed the episode a lot. The payoff of seeing the Swede die horribly at the end of a rope was worth the earlier silliness. Still, is the Swede really dead or only TV dead -- again?
100% agreed, horribly drawn-out ep for no good reason. I get that they want to show Cullen's not going to seek justice for past wrongs anymore (in general), but what the Swede did was completely beyond the pale even with Cullen's new way of life. He would/should have been killed outright at the house, no questions asked. Everything else was just dumb.

I did appreciate getting the Swede's backstory to show how he got so warped by war and Rebels in general, as a means to show how he could hate Cullen so much. But I don't get how Cullen could just go through all that for justice especially after getting shot.
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Yes, only 30 years in the future.
Yes, I suppose he will.
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Yes, I suppose he will.
What show are you referencing? Heyerdahl is the hardest workin' man in show business. Never know where he'll pop up.
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What show are you referencing? Heyerdahl is the hardest workin' man in show business. Never know where he'll pop up.

12 Monkeys - last night's episode

Also, he will be a regular in the upcoming Van Helsing series on SyFy.

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12 Monkeys - last night's episode

Also, he will be a regular in the upcoming Van Helsing series on SyFy.
Ah, haven't watched it yet. I'm particularly fond of his urbane Jack the Ripper character on 'Sanctuary'.
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The only character I hated more than the Swede was Simcoe on AMC's Turn.
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I didn't mind the Swede in the Twilight movies. They gave him a good look and His speech was a more melodic Old School Vampire. As well, he was pleasantly killed in that series too.
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The only character I hated more than the Swede was Simcoe on AMC's Turn.
I agree that there the Swede and Lt. Simcoe are a lot alike. As much as I hate(d) both, I have to admit that watching their inspired nastiness has been entertaining.
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Simcoe is delightfully evil, and will be on that show until the end IMO.
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Simcoe is delightfully evil, and will be on that show until the end IMO.
Yep, Simcoe's gleeful malevolence and out of control rage are joys to behold. For many of the same reasons I find the Simcoe character entertaining, I get a kick out of the equally violent and psychopathic Ramsay Bolton on Game of Thrones.
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A good villain is hard to find. All three of these mentioned in the last few posts add a lot to their shows with their particular psychoses. I enjoy them as well. Sorry to finally see one of them bow out, somewhat ungracefully.
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A good villain is hard to find. All three of these mentioned in the last few posts add a lot to their shows with their particular psychoses. I enjoy them as well. Sorry to finally see one of them bow out, somewhat ungracefully.
I have to confess that I enjoyed every excruciatingly painful second of the Swede's protracted end while dangling from a rope with its noose around his neck. The Swede deserved it.
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I have to confess that I enjoyed every excruciatingly painful second of the Swede's protracted end while dangling from a rope with its noose around his neck. The Swede deserved it.
When we were watching it, everything was really quiet, no one is saying anything in my house and on screen its even quiet and when the Swede dies my wife blurts out loudly, "Finally!"



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Good episode. The scene near the end where Bohannan rode out of the barn reminded me somewhat of John Wayne's Ethan Edwards exit at the end of The Searchers.
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I enjoyed this episode much more than the last one. I particularly enjoyed Cullen arriving at the railhead.
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I think the NitroHump in last night's episode was script overreach. Bohannan might be reckless at times but he isn't stupid.
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I think the NitroHump in last night's episode was script overreach. Bohannan might be reckless at times but he isn't stupid.
Yeah, we already knew that Cullen Bohannan was nuts. The over the top silliness of having a container of nitro shaking on the table while Bohannan and Mei having wild sex on a rickety table covered with nitro was a bridge too far.

I thought Durant's deranged plan to get himself kidnapped was equally over the top. Seems to me that the writers are running out of ideas, or at least good ideas, as we approach the show's conclusion. Guess we have to see if they can pull it together over the course of the last four episodes.
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Agree the show really is stumbling to the end. The Durant scheme to get kidnapped was just plain stupid.
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Agree the show really is stumbling to the end. The Durant scheme to get kidnapped was just plain stupid.
But it plays right into his characters scheming/conniving ways....which now ultimately leads to someone innocent getting killed.

He is who he is....so the fact that he is in bed with Mickey...and Mickey brings his insane Irish cousin into the whole thing....and it goes sideways....makes TOTAL sense to me, as contrived and dopey as it is at face value!
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But it plays right into his characters scheming/conniving ways....which now ultimately leads to someone innocent getting killed.

He is who he is....so the fact that he is in bed with Mickey...and Mickey brings his insane Irish cousin into the whole thing....and it goes sideways....makes TOTAL sense to me, as contrived and dopey as it is at face value!
If anything, Durant's scheme was predictable -- predictable in that it would backfire. But I agree that it was totally in line with Durant's character and previous actions. I'm more surprised he hadn't thought of it and tried it before now.
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If anything, Durant's scheme was predictable -- predictable in that it would backfire. But I agree that it was totally in line with Durant's character and previous actions. I'm more surprised he hadn't thought of it and tried it before now.
Agree that it was in line with Durant's character. But did we really need a Bohannon less episode to find out how epically the plan failed? This really felt like nothing more than padding to get to whatever total they agreed on for the season. Glad there are only 3 episodes left as I feel the show is running on fumes. And from that strange out of place prologue we have some idea of how it ends, at least for Durant.
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Anson actually produced or directed this episode. Has he done that before ?

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Agree that it was in line with Durant's character. But did we really need a Bohannon less episode to find out how epically the plan failed? This really felt like nothing more than padding to get to whatever total they agreed on for the season. Glad there are only 3 episodes left as I feel the show is running on fumes. And from that strange out of place prologue we have some idea of how it ends, at least for Durant.
This was actually my favorite episode of the season, I'm about burnt out on Cullen's stories. I guess we saw into the future of Durant at the start?
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This was actually my favorite episode of the season, I'm about burnt out on Cullen's stories. I guess we saw into the future of Durant at the start?
If that's his future its a pretty sad one for sure but not unexpected given what we saw this week.
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