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Charles R's Avatar Charles R 06:05 PM 03-07-2012
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I think the casting is spot on, everyone (with the possible exception of Debra Messing) is absolutely right for their part.

I think she does a great job. For me she comes across less as a caricature than (most of) the others with a little more depth.

Matt L's Avatar Matt L 10:30 PM 03-20-2012
I'm wondering if the ratings are dropping off as the posts in this thread have...

Anyway, I felt things really came together in the last episode, I think it was one of the best of the series. A little bit of Ivy's backstory helps, and it would be interesting to see Karen hit it big in another way.
HDTVChallenged's Avatar HDTVChallenged 12:24 AM 03-21-2012
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I'm wondering if the ratings are dropping off as the posts in this thread have...

Not much worth talking about. Continues to be safe, non-threatening, non-challenging .... entertainment. Might as well be set in a northwestern US city's hospital.

OTOH, I did enjoy Ms. McPhee's opening studio session ... as well as her closing Bar Mitzvah tune last week ...

Can't think of anything else to say about it ...
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 07:03 AM 03-21-2012
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A little bit of Ivy's backstory helps, and it would be interesting to see Karen hit it big in another way.

That was simply another cliche for me. As was how easily she blew off the audition. I'm still watching it for what it is... of late I have enjoyed Eileen Rand and I have come to accept Megan Hilty as Ivy. Since if she was better suited they couldn't have the endless plot-line of replacing her...

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rsambuca's Avatar rsambuca 08:06 AM 03-21-2012
We are a couple of episodes behind still, but I must admit my patience is wearing thin with Smash. I enjoy the show tune numbers, but not much else. There are too many characters that I just don't care about, and frankly, I find McPhee to be a pretty terrible actress - almost like she is just reciting lines at times. It's too bad - I wanted and expected to enjoy this show a lot more than I am right now.
Shaded Dogfood's Avatar Shaded Dogfood 09:00 AM 03-21-2012
I like it. It's frought with clichés, but it's a backstage story. What else are you going to do? Plus, I suspect cliché situations happen in real life when mounting plays. It's mythic. The same things happen over and over in myths. That's why they're myths.

This beats what Glee has morphed into up and down the block.
zalusky's Avatar zalusky 10:00 AM 03-21-2012
I would bet everyone one of the cliche's are based on a personal experience. I remember all the angst when my stepdaughter did community theater and dance.

Besides it TV what are they supposed to do!
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 10:10 AM 03-21-2012
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Besides it TV what are they supposed to do!

Depends on what they want to do... right now I see it more as a 8:00pm show versus a 10:00pm show... if that makes any sense.
zalusky's Avatar zalusky 11:01 AM 03-21-2012
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Depends on what they want to do... right now I see it more as a 8:00pm show versus a 10:00pm show... if that makes any sense.

Probably true. People are going to bed earlier these days and the 10PM shows are not pulling it in like they use to. So its all a little bit confusing these days.
Cal1981's Avatar Cal1981 11:35 AM 03-21-2012
Despite it's flaws, we are ejoying Smash. Maybe it's because we're "theater people" and there is enough of a look behind the scenes of a show ramping up but we pretty much all in on the show. I am sorry to see Will Chase get written out. He is a brilliant performer and his work on the final number on Monday "On Lexington and 52nd Street" was excellent. As much as Ivy's personality can be off-putting, Megan Hilty definitely has the goods and it's clear why she's a Broadway A-lister. Also love how Anjelica Houston's Eileen is taking a more prominent role in the show. She's just fun to watch.
HDTVChallenged's Avatar HDTVChallenged 11:51 AM 03-21-2012
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Despite it's flaws, we are ejoying Smash. Maybe it's because we're "theater people" and there is enough of a look behind the scenes of a show ramping up but we pretty much all in on the show.

There are reasons why most *rehearsals* are *not* open to the public ... just sayin' ...

Honestly, I think there's probably about 90 to 120 minutes worth of story here and trying to stretch that out over an entire TV season is just getting to be painful and tedious...

Oh and kids: Don't do drugs. Just say no. NBC Cares.
gwsat's Avatar gwsat 01:57 PM 03-21-2012
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I like it. It's frought with clichés, but it's a backstage story. What else are you going to do? Plus, I suspect cliché situations happen in real life when mounting plays. It's mythic. The same things happen over and over in myths. That's why they're myths.

This beats what Glee has morphed into up and down the block.

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Despite it's flaws, we are ejoying Smash. Maybe it's because we're "theater people" and there is enough of a look behind the scenes of a show ramping up but we pretty much all in on the show. I am sorry to see Will Chase get written out. He is a brilliant performer and his work on the final number on Monday "On Lexington and 52nd Street" was excellent. As much as Ivy's personality can be off-putting, Megan Hilty definitely has the goods and it's clear why she's a Broadway A-lister. Also love how Anjelica Houston's Eileen is taking a more prominent role in the show. She's just fun to watch.

I agree. Smash is a lot of fun and occasionally moving, too. I loved the play within a play twist in the Lexington and 52nd Street number and thought Will Chase knocked it out of the park. The guy is a wonderful singing actor. He reminds me of the young Mandy Patinkin. I could have done without the made-up stumbles in Ivy's performance in the workshop but, as usual, Megan Hilty's singing was delightful. Finally, I got a kick out of the iconic Bernadette Peters playing a stage mother in the episode and singing Mama Rose numbers from Gypsy. Mama Rose had to be the ultimate stage mother. ("Sing out, Baby June!")

The bottom line is that I am still really liking this show and thought this week's episode was one of the best yet.
zalusky's Avatar zalusky 02:17 PM 03-21-2012
I am always amazed they can pull off the outdoor stuff in large crowds like they do. Its always fun looking at something at saying I have been there.
dad1153's Avatar dad1153 01:29 PM 03-22-2012
TV Notes
NBC's 'Smash' Renewed for Season 2
By Tim Molloy, TheWrap.com - Mar. 22, 2012

NBC has renewed the Broadway musical drama "Smash" for a second season.

Though it has lost much of its lead-in on Monday's from "The Voice," "Smash" is NBC's top drama in viewers in the 18-49 demographic most important to advertisers. It is also a favorite of NBC entertainment chairman Bob Greenblatt.

"Smash," which follows two aspiring stars (Kathatine McPhee and Megan Hilty) as they try to make it big in a musical about Marilyn Monroe, is up 160 percent in the demo in the 10 p.m. Monday timeslot. It earned a 2.6 compared to the previous 1.0.

The series, which counts Steven Spielberg among its executive producers, has also doubled viewership in the timeslot from 3.9 million to 7.7 million.

NBC paired it with "The Voice" with hopes to establish a musical-themed Monday. "The Voice" has become the top-rated show of the season, earning a higher average even than "American Idol," which has led in the ratings for the past eight seasons.

"Smash" hasn't hit those highs, but the renewal is a vote of confidence that it can grow.

http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/nb...season-2-36472
gwsat's Avatar gwsat 03:55 PM 03-22-2012
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TV Notes
NBC's 'Smash' Renewed for Season 2

Thanks, Dad, that is good news, indeed. I was beginning to fear that NBC was getting ready to pull the plug on Smash.
Shaded Dogfood's Avatar Shaded Dogfood 09:35 PM 03-22-2012
Honestly, I think there's probably about 90 to 120 minutes worth of story here and trying to stretch that out over an entire TV season is just getting to be painful and tedious...

Unlike, say The Walking Dead or Falling Skies or Glee or Terra Nova or The Sarah Connor Chronicles et cetera ad nauseum...
bruce73's Avatar bruce73 10:20 PM 03-22-2012
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Unlike, say The Walking Dead or Falling Skies or Glee or Terra Nova or The Sarah Connor Chronicles et cetera ad nauseum...

Doesn't make it any less true.
HDTVChallenged's Avatar HDTVChallenged 01:05 AM 03-23-2012
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Unlike, say The Walking Dead or Falling Skies or Glee or Terra Nova or The Sarah Connor Chronicles et cetera ad nauseum...

Missing the point: I think this would have made an excellent feature film a/o an actual live Broadway production ... as a TV show, maybe not so much. Exchange the singing/dancing parts for scrubs/O.R. action and you've got Grey's Anatomy ... which I bailed out on years ago.

PS: When quoting me, how about using the forum's actual quote function. Less confusing, easier to follow.
archiguy's Avatar archiguy 07:18 AM 03-23-2012
Good news on the renewal! Now, can somebody pull 'Pushing Daisies' out of the trash bin, please?
Shaded Dogfood's Avatar Shaded Dogfood 07:40 AM 03-23-2012
PS: When quoting me, how about using the forum's actual quote function.

Never mastered the art of using it.

I admit the show is sort of creeping along in the manner of other shows on television now. Lots of shows have pretty much dispensed with self-contained episodes in exchange for the season being like an old serial. It's good if you can get lots of people hooked from the beginning, but you can also end up with something you can't just drop into, or you can get lost in if you miss an episode.

I still think this one maintains interest. It's not as much a soap about the fight for Marilyn as it is a story about the creation of a collaborative work of art, or at least craft. It's a television updating of Powell/Pressburger's classic The Red Shoes, about the creation of a ballet. And if you like this and have never seen The Red Shoes you need to rent it immediately, as it is one of the greatest films ever made.

I really look forward to Smash. It's something you can really get your teeth into. It's well acted if you can accept broad, operatic sorts of performances (or just plain good performances, such as Angelica Huston's). Katharine McPhee has a ways to go, and seems to spend most of her time hovering in the background with her mouth open slightly, depending on her looks to define her character, but I think she'll work out okay.

It's defined pretty much the way it's going to behave in the future, so if you don't like it now you probably never will. Plus, I suspect its primary audience hasn't even discovered it yet.
Amnesia's Avatar Amnesia 08:00 AM 03-23-2012
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Never mastered the art of using it.

You mean pressing the little "Quote" button under the post and then deleting the content you don't want to quote?
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 08:03 AM 03-23-2012
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It's a television updating of Powell/Pressburger's classic The Red Shoes, about the creation of a ballet. And if you like this and have never seen The Red Shoes you need to rent it immediately, as it is one of the greatest films ever made.

Not sure I would agree with either point.
bruce73's Avatar bruce73 08:34 AM 03-23-2012
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I really look forward to Smash. It's something you can really get your teeth into. It's well acted if you can accept broad, operatic sorts of performances (or just plain good performances, such as Angelica Huston's). Katharine McPhee has a ways to go, and seems to spend most of her time hovering in the background with her mouth open slightly, depending on her looks to define her character, but I think she'll work out

Wow. We must be watching two entirely different shows. Sink your teeth into? Well-acted? Angelica Huston makes me cringe every time she speaks (and I've always loved her, btw). The narrative is cliche-driven and written as if the concept of subtext has just been invented.

But, hey, whatever gets your toe a-tapping. I mean, what's not to love about Bernadette Peters beltin' it out? ;-)
jandron's Avatar jandron 10:07 AM 03-23-2012
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Wow. We must be watching two entirely different shows. Sink your teeth into? Well-acted? Angelica Huston makes me cringe every time she speaks (and I've always loved her, btw). The narrative is cliche-driven and written as if the concept of subtext has just be invented.

But, hey, whatever gets your toe a-tapping. I mean, what's not to love about Bernadette Peters beltin' it out? ;-)

I think you just have to accept it, warts and all. I admire the staging and the production of the numbers and am willing to go along with the rest. Nobody in the cast really bothers me, and that includes Katherine McPhee, as I've said before, I think it's well cast.

I must admit, though, the whole affair with Debra Messing's character just never worked for me. It's hard to be invested in a relationship like that, and to find any motivation for either character to do it, so you're left with little sympathy for two of your leads.
HDTVChallenged's Avatar HDTVChallenged 11:14 AM 03-23-2012
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Nobody in the cast really bothers me, and that includes Katherine McPhee, as I've said before, I think it's well cast.

Well that's actually part of my problem with the show. It takes absolutely *no* risks. It doesn't offend, it doesn't really inspire ... it just kind of "is" for 43 minutes and change. Plus, they're already recycling footage used in earlier episodes ...

Just saying that sometimes less is more.
bruce73's Avatar bruce73 11:20 AM 03-23-2012
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I think you just have to accept it, warts and all. I admire the staging and the production of the numbers and am willing to go along with the rest. Nobody in the cast really bothers me, and that includes Katherine McPhee, as I've said before, I think it's well cast.

I must admit, though, the whole affair with Debra Messing's character just never worked for me. It's hard to be invested in a relationship like that, and to find any motivation for either character to do it, so you're left with little sympathy for two of your leads.

Agreed. The bottom line is I'm still watching, so I guess that means something. It's just I had higher expectations (I'm blaming your son's great work on Justified -- it has definitely spoiled me). ;-) :-D
mreedelp's Avatar mreedelp 11:22 AM 03-23-2012
Where can this go in a second season? Are they going to finish this season by staging a full production on Broadway or by staging an opening off- off-Broadway and then the second season would be about actually getting on Broadway? I can't see a subsequent season once they hit Broadway. What then? A different production with different characters/actors?
Shaded Dogfood's Avatar Shaded Dogfood 12:01 PM 03-23-2012
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You mean pressing the little "Quote" button under the post and then deleting the content you don't want to quote?

That's right. It doesn't include HDTV's original proposition, nor yours.

It's a television updating of Powell/Pressburger's classic The Red Shoes, about the creation of a ballet. And if you like this and have never seen The Red Shoes you need to rent it immediately, as it is one of the greatest films ever made.

Not sure I would agree with either point.


See, that's why this is a great country. There's freedom of speech.
Cal1981's Avatar Cal1981 12:27 PM 03-23-2012
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Where can this go in a second season? Are they going to finish this season by staging a full production on Broadway or by staging an opening off- off-Broadway and then the second season would be about actually getting on Broadway? I can't see a subsequent season once they hit Broadway. What then? A different production with different characters/actors?

Not necessarily. A Broadway show's creation can be a very lengthy process with some serious retooling before it ever hits a real stage (that will apparently be the case with Marilyn as well). They could go into a second season with the show still not quite ready to open. When Uma Thurmond shows up as a big name star vying for the lead, that plot line alone could generate enough drama to last for multiple episodes. Then there can be very dramatic changes during the out of town runs. Again, the most recent notable example is Wicked which opened it's trial run in San Francisco. Robert Morse, a Broadway icon, was cast as the Wizard and was summarily fired to be replaced by Joel Grey. Lotsa heavy stuff can happen and it could make for some pretty good TV.
jandron's Avatar jandron 12:59 PM 03-23-2012
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Agreed. The bottom line is I'm still watching, so I guess that means something. It's just I had higher expectations (I'm blaming your son's great work on Justified -- it has definitely spoiled me). ;-) :-D

I'll pass that along, thanks!
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