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post #2311 of 2337 Old 02-16-2017, 09:18 PM
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I was going to ask why the "mature viewers" warning before the show... but given how Internet forums discuss such topics, I think I figured out the answer.
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Hey, at least there wasn't "And now a very special episode of Arrow." Oh,wait a minute.......
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I finally got around to watching this weeks episode. I concur with other comments about this episode. This show was NOT a "Green Arrow" program. It was political dogma with a "wrapping" of "Green Arrow" characters. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud at the propaganda that was espoused on the show this week. I watch this show for entertainment, not political activism. If I want political diatribes, there are many other shows that do this as their main function. C'mon producers/writers---get back to showing the viewers stories about "Green Arrow" and his fight against evil in his city.

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I finally got around to watching this weeks episode. I concur with other comments about this episode. This show was NOT a "Green Arrow" program. It was political dogma with a "wrapping" of "Green Arrow" characters. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud at the propaganda that was espoused on the show this week. I watch this show for entertainment, not political activism. If I want political diatribes, there are many other shows that do this as their main function. C'mon producers/writers---get back to showing the viewers stories about "Green Arrow" and his fight against evil in his city.

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While I stick to my criticism, the show wasn't propaganda and wasn't really taking a side other than to say that the issue should be talked about without just getting angry about it. It was just done so poorly. They didn't even really explain the ultimate compromise.

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As soon as I heard the first exchange about gun control, I thought, "Oh, I know what the AVS discussion of this week's episode is going to look like."

I would argue that this was the worst episode of Arrow ever, because not only was it poorly done, but it was a complete non sequitur. It had no bearing on any of the other plotlines from this season, except for Thea returning from... somewhere, and Laurel 2.0 renting a new apartment. Woo. You could easily skip this week's episode and not have missed anything important.
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While I stick to my criticism, the show wasn't propaganda and wasn't really taking a side other than to say that the issue should be talked about without just getting angry about it. It was just done so poorly. They didn't even really explain the ultimate compromise.
As far as I could tell, they didn't explain it at all. We spent an hour debating the issue and by the end it was, "We solved it! See you next week!".
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Their "compromise" was complete nonsense. Oliver said something about it protecting citizens while not encroaching upon people's ability to buy, own, or carry guns, or something to that effect, which in essence means that the legislation did nothing.
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Someone has to help me here...

They "know" Prometheus is a kid of a guy Oliver shot several seasons back... and they know the mother... so Oliver goes and asks the mother to tell him her son's name?

What?

How can they think they know all that, and not be able to determine the identity of Prometheus from that? I'm really confused.
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Someone help me as well. The father of Prometheus, flashbacks show that he was killed by Oliver this season but I have been rewatching the first season and at that same place, the guy killed there (next to that swimming pool) was killed by Deadshot. Amiwrong or amiright?

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I think the flashbacks to season 1 are supposed to involve other events that weren't depicted on screen, i.e. Oliver killed other people from the list who weren't shown in any of the episodes.
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I think the flashbacks to season 1 are supposed to involve other events that weren't depicted on screen, i.e. Oliver killed other people from the list who weren't shown in any of the episodes.
Maybe so but it was the exact same swimming pool Watch the 1st Season, 3rd ep, Lone Gunmen where Deadshot first appeared.


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If you watch carefully in the first season, there is one episode - and I can't remember which one off the top of my noggin - where Oliver and Diggle have been working together and it's plainly stated that - between that episode and the last - Oliver has been busy crossing (unknown) names off The List. That bit of time is when the execution would have likely taken place and his name was on the list in the pilot episode. The gap between episodes can be anywhere from a few moments to a few months, so there's time for things to happen, especially since they almost never give actual dates in the episode dialog or any of the scenery dressing such as Felicity's computer graphics for the show's various hacking and record reviewing hijinks.

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I'm mostly bothered that he knows the father and the mother (or so he thinks) and somehow can't find the kid grown up from that? I'm completely don't understand that at all!

Now throw in... apparently the guy we thought was Vigilante is Prometheus... and someone online has a theory that he actually is BOTH characters somehow as a misdirection... and I have multiple things to be confused about.
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Sooo, I didn't watch any episode of this season yet. Should I binge watch them or was it a good idea to bail out of the show?!

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I'm mostly bothered that he knows the father and the mother (or so he thinks) and somehow can't find the kid grown up from that? I'm completely don't understand that at all!

Now throw in... apparently the guy we thought was Vigilante is Prometheus... and someone online has a theory that he actually is BOTH characters somehow as a misdirection... and I have multiple things to be confused about.
You must not have watched last week's show. It was all revealed.
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You must not have watched last week's show. It was all revealed.
I did watch last week... that's why I posted what I did. They did not reveal all. They showed who Prometheus was... but not who Vigilante was. They also haven't plausibly explained how Oliver knows who the parents are but somehow can't figure out who the "kid" Prometheus is.
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I did watch last week... that's why I posted what I did. They did not reveal all. They showed who Prometheus was... but not who Vigilante was. They also haven't plausibly explained how Oliver knows who the parents are but somehow can't figure out who the "kid" Prometheus is.
My take is just because you know the parents, doesn't mean you necessarily know who the kid is. The kid could have been young at the time, moved away, grew up, changed his name to hide identity etc.
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Now throw in... apparently the guy we thought was Vigilante is Prometheus... and someone online has a theory that he actually is BOTH characters somehow as a misdirection... and I have multiple things to be confused about.
I'm pretty sure the guy is the Vigilante, Prometheus and the Green Arrow. Oliver finally cracks.
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... and someone online has a theory that he actually is BOTH characters somehow as a misdirection...

So, he fought with himself and threw himself off the rooftop?

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Nah, it's his long lost half twin brother Murray.

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So, he fought with himself and threw himself off the rooftop?

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Have you seen Fight Club? What happens on the rooftop, stays on the rooftop (unless thrown off). Its just a fig of his mind. Did anyone find a Vigilante body? I think not.

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It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black.

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It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black.
Exactly. It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

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My take is just because you know the parents, doesn't mean you necessarily know who the kid is. The kid could have been young at the time, moved away, grew up, changed his name to hide identity etc.
Remember, though, we're only talking about 5 years ago. The "kid" can't be very young unless we're dealing with a magic kid or something.

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So, he fought with himself and threw himself off the rooftop?
Yeah, I don't get that theory either... It's just weird that they exposed Prometheus as being who we all thought was Vigilante, especially given his name... so we're left with wondering who Vigilante is and how that ties into everything.

So now I'm wondering if that reporter is going to turn out to be Vigilante!
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Okay Arrow you got me. I think. Maybe?

So Adrian Chase (or whatever his name really is) is Prometheus and not Vigilante as I expected. Although I'm not sure if the misdirect was that succesful since it was blatantly obvious Adrian had secret identity. So if the point was to make him appear as a regular character the show failed miserably. I guess Talia is Vigilante now?

I have to say having Prometheus unmasked and the crew being forced to work with him on a daily basis I thought was pretty good. As a regular and more grounded kind of Machiavellian serial murderer it brings the show to a darker and more threatening level than it has in a long time. Evil Chase is much better than Good Chase.

But the show should have unmasked Prometheus about ten episodes ago instead of dragging it out this long and padding it with stories so forgettable I cannot remember them. At best this arc should have been 12 episodes and dealing with Chase on a face-to-face level would have made things more interesting to watch. I barely cared about the Prometheus story until he was unmasked.

I like seeing more of David Nykl too but those flashbacks suffer from the usual problem that they are thirty seconds long and end before he has a real chance to do anything.
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Was it just seasons 1-2 where the flashbacks had a reasonable length? I can't recall which season switched to tiny flashbacks that cut away after one sentence of dialogue. It was probably 3 or 4.

Honestly I wasn't that impressed with them having to work along side the evil Chase. It consisted mostly of them saying, "That SOB!" over and over, because FCC-blessed profanity options are limited.
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I cannot believe the show actually fulfilled my request last week!

An entire episode flashback with more David Nykl was a welcome change of pace and overall a good episode with a solid performance by Amell. Holy crap it was dark. Probably the most violent (albeit implied) that the show has ever done.

The only problem I had was I just kept getting the feeling we've been here before. The show has addressed Oliver is a killer and a psychopath and other characters have pointed that out. The only real revelation I guess was ... that he liked it? Given his use of torture and arrows in the leg for fun in past seasons that doesn't really come as a new surprise.

If the past few episodes had appeared in the first half of the season it might have helped the pacing. These new episodes taking a much darker turn are better and it's good to have a villain who is a scary-Jigsaw killer instead of another dude with plans for world domination. To get to this point we still had to get past the typical comic book goofery episodes though.

After Amell stepped in to take the show back to it's roots the result is much improved. The Prometheus story and episodes like this would have worked better if they had been in season three and we didn't have to go through similar beats that got drowned out by Felicity romance and secret underground domes.

And I guess Dolph is back to being chief Vigilante suspect?



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