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Thought I'd start a thread for the 2012 NBA Playoffs.
Please include the game number of the series, the network, the pay tv provider one is using or OTA station and include the call letters if you're watching on ABC. Enjoy the NBA Playoffs!

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Sunday afternoon Lakers Denver game on WABC via Fios NYC
Not happy with the audio mix. I use 7.1 system and had to lower 6 speakers and increase the volume on my center channel to hear the announcers. No big deal but it is a pain every time I change the channel to watch something else like the Yankees on MSG.

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I have the same problem on WABC-DT FiOS.

On NYK @ MIA Saturday the announcers were lower then the crowd and arena noise and harder to understand.

For DEN @ LAK the announcers sound a bit louder the crowd and arena sound.
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I thought the picture quality by ABC standards was pretty good for Game 1: DEN@LAL as I saw on KGTV.

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On NYK @ MIA Saturday the announcers were lower then the crowd and arena noise and harder to understand.

I couldn't tell.
I was screaming too loud to hear the broadcast.

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WESTERN CONFERENCE - FIRST ROUND

San Antonio vs. Utah
Game 1 - Sun. April 29, Utah at San Antonio, 1 p.m. ET, ESPN
Game 2 - Wed. May 2, Utah at San Antonio, 7 p.m., TNT
Game 3 - Sat. May 5, San Antonio at Utah, 10 p.m., TNT
Game 4 - Mon. May 7, San Antonio at Utah, TBD
Game 5 * Wed. May 9, Utah at San Antonio, TBD
Game 6 * Fri. May 11, San Antonio at Utah, TBD
Game 7 * Sun. May 13, Utah at San Antonio, TBD

Oklahoma City vs. Dallas
Game 1 - Sat. April 28, Dallas at Oklahoma City, 9:30 p.m., ESPN
Game 2 - Mon. April 30, Dallas at Oklahoma City, 9:30 p.m., TNT
Game 3 - Thu. May 3, Oklahoma City at Dallas, 9:30 p.m., TNT
Game 4 - Sat. May 5, Oklahoma City at Dallas, 7:30 p.m., TNT
Game 5 * Mon. May 7, Dallas at Oklahoma City, TBD
Game 6 * Thu. May 10, Oklahoma City at Dallas, TBD
Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Dallas at Oklahoma City ,TBD, TNT

L.A. Lakers vs. Denver
Game 1 - Sun. April 29, Denver at L.A. Lakers, 3:30 p.m., ABC
Game 2 - Tue. May 1, Denver at L.A. Lakers, 10:30 p.m., TNT
Game 3 - Fri May 4, L.A. Lakers at Denver, 10:30 p.m., ESPN
Game 4 - Sun. May 6, L.A. Lakers at Denver, 9:30 p.m., TNT
Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Denver at L.A. Lakers, TBD
Game 6 * Thu. May 10, L.A. Lakers at Denver, TBD
Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Denver at L.A. Lakers, TBD, TNT

Memphis vs. L.A. Clippers
Game 1 - Sun. April 29, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, 9:30 p.m., TNT
Game 2 - Wed. May 2, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, 9:30 p.m., TNT
Game 3 - Sat. May 5, Memphis at L.A. Clippers, 4:30 p.m., ESPN
Game 4 - Mon. May 7, Memphis at L.A. Clippers, TBD
Game 5 * Wed. May 9, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, TBD
Game 6 * Fri. May 11, Memphis at L.A. Clippers, TBD
Game 7 * Sun. May 13, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, TBD


EASTERN CONFERENCE - FIRST ROUND

Chicago vs. Philadelphia
Game 1 - Sat. April 28, Philadelphia at Chicago, 1 p.m., TNT
Game 2 - Tue. May 1, Philadelphia at Chicago, 8 p.m., TNT
Game 3 - Fri. May 4, Chicago at Philadelphia, 8 p.m., ESPN
Game 4 - Sun. May 6, Chicago at Philadelphia, 1 p.m., ABC
Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Philadelphia at Chicago, TBD
Game 6 * Thu. May 10, Chicago at Philadelphia, TBD
Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Philadelphia at Chicago, TBD, TNT

Miami vs. New York
Game 1 - Sat. April 28, New York at Miami, 3:30 p.m., ABC
Game 2 - Mon. April 30, New York at Miami, 7 p.m., TNT
Game 3 - Thu. May 3, Miami at New York, 7 p.m., TNT
Game 4 - Sun. May 6, Miami at New York, 3:30 p.m., ABC
Game 5 * Wed. May 9, New York at Miami, TBD
Game 6 * Fri. May 11, Miami at New York, TBD
Game 7 * Sun. May 13, New York at Miami, TBD

Indiana vs. Orlando
Game 1 - Sat. April 28, Orlando at Indiana, 7 p.m., ESPN
Game 2 - Mon. April 30, Orlando at Indiana, 7:30 p.m., NBA TV
Game 3 - Wed. May 2, Indiana at Orlando, 7:30 p.m., NBA TV
Game 4 - Sat. May 5, Indiana at Orlando, 2 p.m., ESPN
Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Orlando at Indiana, TBD
Game 6 * Fri. May 11, Indiana at Orlando, TBD
Game 7 * Sun. May 13, Orlando at Indiana, TBD

Boston vs. Atlanta
Game 1 - Sun. April 29, Boston at Atlanta, 7 p.m., TNT
Game 2 - Tue. May 1, Boston at Atlanta, 7:30 p.m., NBA TV
Game 3 - Fri. May 4, Atlanta at Boston, 7:30 p.m., ESPN2
Game 4 - Sun May 6, Atlanta at Boston, 7 p.m., TNT
Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Boston at Atlanta, TBD
Game 6 * Thu. May 10, Atlanta at Boston, TBD
Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Boston at Atlanta, TBD, TNT

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I'm not going to lie as a Clipper fan, but I tuned into a DVR'd program when we got down by 27 points in the 3rd quarter. The only saving grace is that I never changed the channel so I didn't lose the buffer of the LAC/MEM:Game 1 on Prime Ticket via my friend's Slingbox in Newport Beach via DirecTV on Prime Ticket. Needless to say I'm pissed off at myself for tuning the game off but ecstatic at the outcome.

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I'm not going to lie as a Clipper fan, but I tuned into a DVR'd program when we got down by 27 points in the 3rd quarter. The only saving grace is that I never changed the channel so I didn't lose the buffer of the LAC/MEM:Game 1 on Prime Ticket via my friend's Slingbox in Newport Beach via DirecTV on Prime Ticket. Needless to say I'm pissed off at myself for tuning the game off but ecstatic at the outcome.

I pretty much never watch a game live so I was watching it later and fast forwarded through a little of the third quarter when it was just getting embarrassing but watched the entire fourth. Amazing. I didn't sit down for the last 5 minutes of the game. If they would have come back from that far back just to still lose it at the end I would have lost it.
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TNT is ruining their nice uncluttered screen layout by putting useless twitter comments on the bottom left during some stops in play.
Just stop it please, it's embarrassing.
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something I've noticed is that ESPN broadcasts always look AWFUL out of Denver. the arena lighting is really weird on TV
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TNT HD and MSG HD FiOS TV NYC

NY @ MIA

On TNT The arena and crowd sounds are low and very muffled.
When music is played or the PA announcer is speaking is not very audible.

On MSG the crowd is louder.
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I have Charter in Glendale/Burbank area and feel confident that when a truck and cameras at a game somewhere put up a clear signal to the bird, that I get a good signal for my 8.5' wide HP screen projected by a well calibrated JVC RS50. If lots of crap going on you see it. If clean it looks gorgeous.

ESPN tonight from Staples and earlier the Boston vs Philadelphia game was near flawless. No noise, nothing. Beautiful pictures from the cameras.

It seems ESPN / ABC are on opposite course quality-wise now from TNT. Meaning a couple years ago they were pretty bad, and TNT was showing some really clean pro Basketball.

Well something has changed with TNT this year, they have been absolute garbage with lots of block artifacting. Really crappy. They should be ashamed. Props to ESPN for getting its act together.

I know sometimes the artifacts aren't as visible on smaller displays, but would love to hear from anyone else with different provider who is seeing these bit starved (?) telecasts from TNT?
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On FiOS NYC area the PQ from TNT is not good.
Anytime there is player movement or camera panning there are motion artifacts.
You even see the artifacts on the wood panels of the floor.

The ESPN PQ is much cleaner then TNT.
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Watch tonight's Lakers / Thunder game. TNT has it and has been consistent artifact wise like that all year. I'm talking bad. Sometimes like 80% of the screen area will block. How can they put that out there and say here, watch this...it's fine?? If you are going to pay the money for the rights to these important games for fans, at least allocate enough bits for the freaking telecasts. I used to feel the exact same way and rant like this here about ESPN a couple years back. When TNT had much better telecasts.

What the bleep......
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TNT always seems fine here on DirecTV. ESPN as well, especially the closeup cameras. Overall quality greatly dependent on venue though. I have to wonder how much abuse the television viewer has to take anymore - the reflections from the ad banners on site can be horrific. Saw one the other day that was strobing between changes - I'd guess 10hz for 1-2 seconds.

Funny remark above - "even" the court floor showed motion artifacts. For me, a basketball floor is a perfect test case for artifacts - fine enough to be challenging, but not so much that it's impossible to reproduce.

I'll pay more attention to details tonight with the Lakers, maybe I'm missing something, mostly been watching the East.

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Yep. Garbage telecast again. And they have been in town 2 days now to get it right. I half expect it at any time to just glitch and quit.

Maybe not so noticed on small displays but even with good noise reduction capabilities I can't do anything with the macro blocking.

Any southern CA fans watching and want to see what "clean" looks like, turn on KCAL HD channel for Dodgers against Cardinals tonight from Dodger Stadium. It is super clean this season.
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TNT FiOS

OKC @ LAL.
The court is darker then usual on the main action cam and closeup cam.
Ground cams are a little brighter.
Getting the usual motion artifacts.
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On a 64" pro cal'd flat panel @80" my image just isn't anywhere near qualifying for the degree of negative remarks here. The Lakers image is a little "weaker" than others - black levels changing with camera, contrast or saturation off on some shots, jaggies on some court signage, but overall it satisfies for HD.

I live in the Lexington, KY DMA, and our local CBS affiliate down-converts to 720p (the process is the issue, not the 720) so I'm well familiar with how to screw up a basketball game, and the TNT signal through DirecTV just doesn't qualify.

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To be fair some of TNT's camera shots look beautiful. But they are usually settled down with not much panning. There was just a shot (am watching on time delay) from a remote ceiling cam that was pristine. But they have another camera that when it pans as it follows motion it is the 80% blocking that I'm referring to as garbage. The main camera and others to lesser extent. So what is it from their production?....seems more internal camera angle (equipment) quality control issues. Some of the commercials are very clean as well.
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Something I've been waiting for years to stumble into is a definitive article on the setup when a network goes into a sports venue that's already setup for the local broadcaster.

Last years baseball play-offs had obviously different PQ in different parks IIRC - only on Fox though, TBS was always pristine.

The image here is slightly noisy from my fairly close viewing distance. That indicates some "weakness" to me, so there's less headroom for whatever a person's provider is doing to the signal.

I wish I had a better understanding of the technical end of live broadcasting. I get enraged at Fox, and since scripted programming looks okay, nothing like the borderline unwatchable live stuff sometimes, it has to be at network level you'd think. NASCAR and baseball both suffer from their cheapness/incompetence, and it's in another universe from anything I've seen from ESPN or TNT for basketball.

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For me on FiOS the motion artifacts are very noticeable along with the macro blocking on closeup camera shots with fast movement.

To be fair it's the same with MSG Network and The Yes Network for NBA broadcasts, both channels are 1080i and have motion artifacts.
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Something I've been waiting for years to stumble into is a definitive article on the setup when a network goes into a sports venue that's already setup for the local broadcaster.

Last years baseball play-offs had obviously different PQ in different parks IIRC - only on Fox though, TBS was always pristine.

The image here is slightly noisy from my fairly close viewing distance. That indicates some "weakness" to me, so there's less headroom for whatever a person's provider is doing to the signal.

I wish I had a better understanding of the technical end of live broadcasting. I get enraged at Fox, and since scripted programming looks okay, nothing like the borderline unwatchable live stuff sometimes, it has to be at network level you'd think. NASCAR and baseball both suffer from their cheapness/incompetence, and it's in another universe from anything I've seen from ESPN or TNT for basketball.

That is an interesting thought. I wonder what gear it encompasses. Fox West has been consistently good and much cleaner than the bad certain cameras in tonight's TNT production. TNT sure used a lot of them though and there were indeed some gorgeous shots and rich blacks from some of those.

Prime Ticket did a couple of beauties too late in the regular season with home Lakers games.
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I have Charter in Glendale/Burbank area and feel confident that when a truck and cameras at a game somewhere put up a clear signal to the bird, that I get a good signal for my 8.5' wide HP screen projected by a well calibrated JVC RS50. If lots of crap going on you see it. If clean it looks gorgeous.

ESPN tonight from Staples and earlier the Boston vs Philadelphia game was near flawless. No noise, nothing. Beautiful pictures from the cameras.

It seems ESPN / ABC are on opposite course quality-wise now from TNT. Meaning a couple years ago they were pretty bad, and TNT was showing some really clean pro Basketball...

I would have to agree with you. ESPN and ESPN on ABC NBA telecasts have made major improvements on picture qualit. While TNT just has seem to gone downhill.

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TNT's feed from OKC tonight looks the same as from Staples, so I'm guessing it is their cameras and their gear. That one mid range camera on pans is garbage like it was in L.A., no two ways to slice it. Any motion and it is into 80% blocking break up. Maybe it's a wireless rig? But there is still way too much motion artifacting and some noise from a number of the other cameras as well. Some look OK to great, again like L.A. But TNT's not in the same league anymore with ESPN & ABC in this year's NBA coverage. Should not be proud whatever's going on there.
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TNT's feed from OKC tonight looks the same as from Staples, so I'm guessing it is their cameras and their gear. That one mid range camera on pans is garbage like it was in L.A., no two ways to slice it. Any motion and it is into 80% blocking break up. Maybe it's a wireless rig? But there is still way too much motion artifacting and some noise from a number of the other cameras as well. Some look OK to great, again like L.A. But TNT's not in the same league anymore with ESPN & ABC in this year's NBA coverage. Should not be proud whatever's going on there.

Interesting - I came over to post that OKC looked much better than Staples. Some of that is the perfect black/white/saturation levels, but that's the arena mostly. The image is quiet here, easily seen on a still shot with the dark blue padding for background. Still jaggies, but I've only had the sat for two years (after 22 years of strictly OTA) and I can't remember how well the image held together with movement last year. But never any macroblocking here, if by macroblocking people mean obvious image destruction. Just the usual softening that you'd expect with a limited digital image system trying to reproduce fast motion.

I wouldn't argue that TNT hasn't deteriorated, if it's safe to equate it with TBS, which could be remarkable on baseball.

Are you sure you're remembering early playoff games? Maybe we'll get lucky and the image will improve (kind of sucky at Boston tonight) as the venues reduce so they can gather the good stuff.

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The general impression I've had this whole season from TNT is too much macro blocking, noise and motion artifacts, from watching on a large revealing screen. The blocking is just bit starving isn't it? Why that one or maybe even a second mid level view (not floor and not the play by play or rafters locations) are so much worse than the rest, no idea. But their engineers are sitting wherever watching this kind of quality all season long from them.

I say this in comparison to ESPN, ABC via ESPN, CBS, FOX West, KCAL 9 and Prime Ticket show comparisons on various Lakers games this year. All of those have been cleaner. At least on my feed from Charter, which again I'm pretty confident, from hearing the bashing of ESPN a couple years ago from others besides me, gives me a great picture when the production is clean and the camera work good.

I am running the Teranex trickle down noise reduction in a Denon 602ci processor on high tonight and still squiggles are getting through some camera angles in addition to the blocking. The other night at Staples from ESPN, could just leave it completely off. No comparison.
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ESPN HD FiOS

MIA at IND
The main action cam looks darken then the other cameras.
ESPN has turned the bottom line off.
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Not sure of the historical trends of TNT, but last nights ESPN Philly game and especially tonight's ESPN Pacers game are noticeably worse technically than anything I've seen on TNT.

Tonight's game has horrible floor breakup on the main camera. I think I said above somewhere that for me a basketball floor is the perfect test case for motion, and this game shows why Partly the camera operator - he's really jerky, in and out and panning with no smoothness and lots of irrelevant movement, like he's never done a basketball game before. Just makes it harder on the camera trying to deal with simultaneous motion in two planes. At least two replay cameras are fine however.

Last nights Philly game had jaggies on every painted line all the time, instead of just in worst case scenario examples like what I see on TNT. The floor didn't completely breakdown like tonight, but you could still see the pixelization, as compared to the "softness" I see on TNT at its worst. In both cases you still see the floor's details, but tonight, it's just a blur at times. Thought I was on my local ABC affiliate for a minute

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At least TNT uses the whole screen...
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