Originally Posted by tighr
Just because a bunch of college kids built a sailboat to float around off the coast of Charlotte doesn't mean that in a post-apocolyptic world anyone is going to be able to build trans-atlantic steamships.
OK, number 1) they sailed from the Northeast, down the entire coast to the Carolinas - that's far more than "floating off the coast". Number 2) you don't need a steam ship. A small sloop will get you across the ocean. If you toss your cookies easily, you won't enjoy it, but you'll likely get there.
Further, I find it difficult to believe every single ocean-worthy pleasurecraft in every harbor was either destroyed or seized. My uncle used to have a large sail boat he kept anchored well off shore in the keys, then harbored it up North during hurrican season. It's very likely if this happened, he'd be out on it now running black market trade goods.
It only took two people to operate it. He'd take a thrashing in poor weather due to her size, but she'd stay afloat.
If the militias have as much influence as this show purports (and it seems that they would and do), any attempt to build a trans-atlantic ship would be thwarted by the evil militias. They'd come in and burn down your ship, and then shoot you for daring to be so bold. I don't see why this is so difficult to accept.
That assumes that someone is building it where the militia is likely to see it. Assuming you can remove the main mast(s) for storage, there are literally thousands of good sized boat houses that could be used to hide a rather large vessel. Just push the obscene-sized motor yacht out and move the sail boat in.
Further, once you have enough built that it will float, you can move off shore and use a smaller boat to get out to it where you can work out of sight.
And WHO has trains? Average Joe fish-monger? Carl the lumberjack? No, again, its the militias that have access to the steam trains. They would likely have complete control of the rails, and would again try and kill anyone who dared to use them as well.
You're telling me the militia wouldn't find it good business to transport goods for the citzens? The more they control and provide to them, the more they can get away with taxing.
Further, the train isn't even the whole equation: where are the steam powered cars and trucks? I'm still wondering where the heck the bicycles are...
Google-guy is perfect proof that most people are not set up to survive in a world without electricity. How he's made it this long is amazing, he has no real world skills. He was clearly not an Eagle Scout.
I fully agree with that. He couldn't even climb a fence.
Not everyone knows how to fish, cut down trees, hunt, make kerosene or oil, etc. And we would have no production facilities to do all of that without the use of electricity, and that would probably take several years to do (again, as long as the evil militia didn't come in and burn your fledgling factory down for trying).
Before electricity, the majority of the population didn't do that stuff, except now and then for sport. During the industrial revolution, the majority of people lived and worked in big cities doing stuff that didn't involve hunting, fishing, mining or refining fuel.
Are you telling me there would be no chance that oil workers, miners and other service industry people all died out?
Frankly, if anything, the blue collar grunts are the ones that WOULD survive, since they wouldn't have as many luxury items to pasify them into unproductivity. They would know how to work with their hands and get things done without technology. The guy who fixes your fridge or your AC would likely start providing service in building and maintaining steam-based devices. Coal miners would still mine coal and oil workers would still pump and refine oil - just on a smaller scale and with more effort.
As far as the English-lady: She started immediately after the blackout and walked from Seattle to Buffalo. That probably took a significant amount of time. When she got to Buffalo and found out they couldn't get her to England (something she clearly thought was possible, but since she is naive like most people in this thread didn't realize what a massive undertaking trans-atlantic travel would be) she wandered around the US for several years, ultimately winding up on that beach in Wisconsin. This must have been SEVERAL years after the blackout, because the young children are already teens at that point. Also, Wisconsin is very close to Chicago, to the Northwest. We don't know where Charlie's village was located, but we do know that it is a few days walking distance Northwest of Chicago, seeing as how they pass Chicago O'Hare airport on the way downtown.
So, she left an entire coast of potential sources of a ship to hop her to Hawaii, then Australia, then on to the Mediterranean, where she could either go around to England or hoof it across France to the Chunnel tunnel - which she could then walk through? Since the Suez has no locks, power wouldn't be an issue to get through, so it wouldn't be necessary to go around Africa.
Yes, let's go overland on foot for thousands of miles in a climate that gets this thing called "harsh winter weather" instead of walking down the coast toward Southern California.