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TO YOU. That's the key right there. Other people might not like curly hair. Others might not think she's all that attractive in the first place, particularly when placed anywhere near the two smokin' hot ballroom girls from Utah.
You're right--attraction is a matter of opinion, as evidenced by you saying that both of the Utah ballroom girls are "smoking hot". I'd agree with you that Whitney is smoking hot--the other one doesn't do anything for me whatsoever; way too young looking--if someone told me she was 15 I'd believe it. Eliana was probably the most attractive girl to me, with Whitney second, but that attraction is lessened by pulling her hair away from her face--again, a personal opinion. That it could be a safety hazard is total BS--it's not that long, and she danced everything up to "Meet the Top 20" with the curls.
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As far as Cyrus being a fan favorite, I can say with absolute certainty that he most definitely is one, if not THE one for the males.
Certainty based on what? His underdog appeal? I don't buy it. There've certainly been street-style specialists who pull themselves up to a high standard with hard work, but I don't think that Cyrus has yet shown any potential for learning other styles. I think that the judges are going to unfairly sacrifice several superior dancers to make sure that the top 10 includes a street-style specialist. Then, like Phillip Chbeeb, they'll let him fall out.
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Just because a live audience goes nuts over one of the younger or less mature males, doesn't mean that all of America is full of like-minded preteen girls with raging hormones that are enamoured with the little boys on the show, rather than one of the only men.
Cyrus is 22 and looks it--Baker, the apparent studio audience favorite is two years older (and I could believe he was older still). Also, I suspect that a quite substantial portion of the show's audience is composed of young female dance students.

Whatever--we can agree to disagree smile.gif.

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Certainty based on what? His underdog appeal? I don't buy it. There've certainly been street-style specialists who pull themselves up to a high standard with hard work, but I don't think that Cyrus has yet shown any potential for learning other styles. I think that the judges are going to unfairly sacrifice several superior dancers to make sure that the top 10 includes a street-style specialist. Then, like Phillip Chbeeb, they'll let him fall out.

I'd bank on Cyrus not even being in the bottom 3 for quite a while...barring he doesn't get the dreaded Quickstep. Given the judge's obvious preference for both he and Eliana, I'd doubt they "draw that out of the hat." (Sorry, but I'm still not convinced that the "randomness" of the hat-pulling isn't slightly rigged to some degree, both for dances and partners.)
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Easily my top 3 of the night:
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Gotta give the show props too for its music choices, they always fit the act perfectly and are the original artists and not song by some lame singer like another dance show out there.

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Gotta give the show props too for its music choices, they always fit the act perfectly and are the original artists and not song by some lame singer like another dance show out there.

In general, I'd agree. The music choice was one jarring thing to me about Travis Wall's piece and kept me from enjoying it as much. He set the piece as Titanic, but used a song stronglt associated with Ghost. Given that he was 7 when Titanic was in the theaters and 2 when Ghost was released (which makes me feel old), we can give him a pass. But I would have preferred if he used something at least acoustically similar to James Horner's score.
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Gotta give the show props too for its music choices, they always fit the act perfectly and are the original artists and not song by some lame singer like another dance show out there.

So You Think You Can Dance uses a lot of knock-off music. It's really good knock-offs most of the time, but they're still knock-offs. Boyce Avenue is a popular choice since they do quality covers.
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Gotta give the show props too for its music choices, they always fit the act perfectly and are the original artists and not song by some lame singer like another dance show out there.
I don't know who it was singing "Nights in White Satin", but it sure wasn't the Moody Blues which would have been a definite improvement.
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They used the original Righteous Brother's version of "Unchained Melody", The Cure's original version of "The Love Cats", Drake's original version of "Take Care" and the Original Broadway Cast versions of "Run and Tell That" from Hairspray. I haven't noticed this show using any large number of "knockoffs"--covers are often more popular than the original artist's recording of a song; I don't mind them using that. The choreographer was probably listening to that cover when they got their inspiration for the piece.

DWTS seems to nearly always have their house band and singers playing songs for competition dances.

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Having seen DWTS live, the house band adds a ton to the overall feel of the show. They don't sound nearly as good via the TV as they do live though. I'd much rather have live music than recorded, but I can find no faults with either show's approach. I also agree that the cover versions used are most likely due to the choreographer having heard those renditions and being inspired by them.
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I haven't noticed this show using any large number of "knockoffs"--covers are often more popular than the original artist's recording of a song; I don't mind them using that. The choreographer was probably listening to that cover when they got their inspiration for the piece.
DWTS seems to nearly always have their house band and singers playing songs for competition dances.

"Cover." Key word there. Covers can be done by anyone, including talented and well-known artists, not just some craptacular Dancing with the HasBeens band.
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Just so I know...

How are they going to handle the eliminations this Wednesday? Will they be announced up front? With the current format and 20 dancers, they barely have enough time (including commercials and other stuff) to get all 10 performances in within the two-hours of the program time now (they don't want to run over too far into local news).

With the addition of the eliminations into the now once-a-week show, that also takes time (dramatic build-up, judge talk time, etc.).
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Just so I know...
How are they going to handle the eliminations this Wednesday? Will they be announced up front? With the current format and 20 dancers, they barely have enough time (including commercials and other stuff) to get all 10 performances in within the two-hours of the program time now (they don't want to run over too far into local news).
With the addition of the eliminations into the now once-a-week show, that also takes time (dramatic build-up, judge talk time, etc.).

If I heard them correctly during the last show, the bottom 4 dancers will know they're in the bottom at the start of the upcoming show and they'll be judged on elimination based on the dance they do this week. So lots and lots more pressure. If the judges are still at an impasse after the 10 main dances are over, the dancers will dance for their life. Expect Nigel and the director to wring all the drama out of this as humanely possible as there's fewer dances each week and more time needs to be filled.
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After reviewing last week's episode, I didn't see anything that makes the voters are going to pick out individuals. So I think the voting is going to be more about the choreography rather than the individuals for this round.

I think Whitney & Chehon, Lindsay & Cole and Amelia & Will are safe due to their routines and all those except Will have also gotten the lion's share of screen time up to this point so the voters know who they are. I also think that Audrey & Matthew are safe due to the fantasic Travis Wall routine even though the voters must have been thinking "Who are they?" since they've had basically no screen time up to this point.

I'm pretty certain that Janaya & Brandon will be in the bottom three. But I'm having trouble deciding between the others. I think I could make a case for any of them being in the bottom three. But I guess I'll go with Alexa & Daniel since Alexa was again the only one criticized by the judges and that jazz routine just didn't work out well. And maybe Tiffany & George due to an easily forgettable Sonya Tayeh routine and the voters going "Who?" again.
If those are the bottom three, I think Janaya and Brandon are the most expendable and definitely go home. The others are so close to a coin-flip that I can't decide between them.

But I think Amber & Nick could be in trouble just because the waltz generally isn't a good vote getter and the Jason chewing out Nick in the pre-package soured the mood before the dance even started.

AFA Janelle & Dareian, I'm not sure if the audience connected with that dance or not, But I think it was good enough for them to squeak through this round.

And I don't know what to think of Eliana & Cyrus. That routine was so dumbed down I don't know what the voters will do. Is Cyrus popular enough that Eliana will be able to ride his coattails? Will the voters decide that Cyrus isn't really up to snuff? If Cyrus really is popular, this might be the one case where he gets the votes but Eliana doesn't. And if Eliana ends up in the bottom three, I think they keep her and kick out whoever the other two girls turn out to be.
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Since the vote was for individuals, the voters were free to (indirectly) put Cyrus in the bottom 3 w/o Eliana. I think that the individual vote will provide some separation from choreography, even at this stage. The people who got big coverage from their audition through selection will already have fans and some fans will vote for their favorites (and not necessarily their partners) even if they were in crappy routines or gave poor performances. Cyrus, I believe, is currently on Nigel's "must keep for the tour" list and is probably safe from elimination until the top 10, whether he ends in the bottom 3 males or not on any given week until then.

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The promos for the show on FOX tonight made it sound like everyone will dance again and then the results of the voting will be announced afterwards, and not before.
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I think that I like that better. Having to dance your routine knowing that you're in the bottom 6 would be a mammoth distraction. With an announcement of who's in the bottom after the competition dances makes everyone perform with an equal nervous factor of not knowing biggrin.gif. I can't see where they particularly need the "dance for your life" solo given that they'll have two paired performance with which to make their decision. Of course, if one or two are in routines that the judges didn't like or didn't think gave a bottom-voted contestant the opportunity to show their skills because it was too simple I can see where they might ask them to dance solos. The SYTYCD blog post which explained the new format says, "at the end of the show, the six finalists comprising the bottom three guys and bottom three girls will be revealed and may be given a chance to perform solo routines" (emphasis added); there's no specification of under what circumstances they'll get to perform solos.

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I think that I like that better. Having to dance your routine knowing that you're in the bottom 6 would be a mammoth distraction.

I agree, but will the judges know who the bottom 3 are? If they do, I imagine it will be hard for them to give feedback to the dancers without inadvertently revealing it.
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I agree, but will the judges know who the bottom 3 are? If they do, I imagine it will be hard for them to give feedback to the dancers without inadvertently revealing it.

Since one of the judges, Nigel Lythgoe, is also the creator and director of the program I gotta say yes, the judges know going in....

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Since one of the judges, Nigel Lythgoe, is also the creator and director of the program I gotta say yes, the judges know going in....

He's a producer on SYTYCD, not the director.
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I agree, but will the judges know who the bottom 3 are? If they do, I imagine it will be hard for them to give feedback to the dancers without inadvertently revealing it.

The show-runners must know the bottom 3 females and bottom 3 males the morning after the performance show, and have to keep it secret for a week. This would certainly include Nigel; I would guess that the other judges on the panel would get the heads up at some point before the taping of the show.

How do you imagine a judge inadvertently letting it slip that one of the contestants is in the bottom? Mentioning it by mistake or some "oh you poor thing" expression? (I can see it on Shankman's face as I write this biggrin.gif).

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You're right--attraction is a matter of opinion, as evidenced by you saying that both of the Utah ballroom girls are "smoking hot". I'd agree with you that Whitney is smoking hot--the other one doesn't do anything for me whatsoever; way too young looking--if someone told me she was 15 I'd believe it. Eliana was probably the most attractive girl to me, with Whitney second, but that attraction is lessened by pulling her hair away from her face--again, a personal opinion..
Lindsay looks like Lauren Froderman did. Whitney also looks too young. I'd ask both of them to call me when they're 22.

For me, Janelle then Alexa have the prettiest faces. This season definitely has better female eye candy than last season.

I'm not yet convinced on whether the talent is better.

OMG, Tabitha and Napoleon choreograph wonderful, sometimes futuristic jazz routines. Why are their hip-hop routines so dated (like 20 years old) and stale? Sonja's still bringing it! I miss Mia Michaels choreography, but Travis has been decent.
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Thought last week was really great. Thought this week was a snoozer with the exception of maybe one or two dances. The opening group number was by far my favorite of the night. Biggest downer was Cyrus. Just embarrassingly awful. Yet even with a terrible partner, Eliana and her beautiful locks shined brightly. Another standout for me was George. Dude can dance but he's so bland otherwise that I fear for his future on the show. Wasn't sad to see the people who left go. Alexa has dead eyes when she dances and when she gets critiqued. I don't even remember the dance the other girl did tonight or last week. Didn't care who they saved for the guys. Wouldn't have minded seeing Cheon go either. He's been a bore so far.

If Cole goes home for acting like an idiot, I hope he doesn't take his partner with him. She's outstanding.
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So, two pairs did end in the bottom, being Witney & Chehon and Alexa & Daniel. Amber lost Nick and Brandon lost Janaya so I guess they'll be paired next week.

I totally agreed with the people they saved, though I thought that it was a shame to see Alexa and Daniel go (I don't think that either Nick or Janaya was ever going to develop into a contender).

I'm going to watch tonight's dances again before commenting on them (though I really enjoyed that Foxtrot). It was nice to see some of the SYTYCD alum, I wasn't overly impressed with the dance by the Step Up crew (I thought that song would never frickin' end rolleyes.gif).

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So, two pairs did end in the bottom, being Witney & Chehon and Alexa & Daniel. Amber lost Nick and Brandon lost Janaya so I guess they'll be paired next week.
I totally agreed with the people they saved, though I thought that it was a shame to see Alexa and Daniel go (I don't think that either Nick or Janaya was ever going to develop into a contender).
I'm going to watch tonight's dances again before commenting on them (though I really enjoyed that Foxtrot). It was nice to see some of the SYTYCD alum, I wasn't overly impressed with the dance by the Step Up crew (I thought that song would never frickin' end rolleyes.gif).

I made proper use of the DVR's fast forward button for the Step Up promotions. I was surprised that Witney was in the bottom 2, but not surprised that Chehon was. Chehon reminds me of Alexa - dead in the eyes. Witney's a beautiful little thing who I can't help but think was dragged down by a bad dance and a bad partner last week. Glad they saved her.
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I made proper use of the DVR's fast forward button for the Step Up promotions. I was surprised that Witney was in the bottom 2, but not surprised that Chehon was. Chehon reminds me of Alexa - dead in the eyes. Witney's a beautiful little thing who I can't help but think was dragged down by a bad dance and a bad partner last week. Glad they saved her.

No surprises on the elimination.

Pretty bad wardrobe malfunction for that female dancer, the camer never zoomed in again.

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Cripes, I think Janelle is awesome, but the luck of the "draw" (quotes mine) got her a routine that was clearly very lame in its choreography. I just hope she doesn't get sent home (as Nigel said, nobody gets voted off the show) next week.

FYI, the dialidol.com site will start tracking the voting this week. The site manager was off getting married. eek.gifeek.gif
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The thing I find odd about who they saved is that there's a high probability that Whitney and Chehon will be right back down in the bottom three again next week. If that Samba last week didn't keep them out of the bottom three then the Bollywood number this week sure as heck isn't going to do it. Their only hope this week is that the close call struck some fear into their fans and they get a better voter turnout.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are worse dancers on the show and they really shouldn't have been in the bottom three this week. But by saving them, the judges are probably going to be in the awkward position of having to save them again next week. But Nick and Alexa really weren't working out. And while I think Janaya had a chance of making it out of the bottom three this week, Janaya is yet another expendable contemp girl and the producers probably wanted to make certain that at least one ballroom girl makes it to the top ten. And Daniel seems to be a little less talented than Chehon. So the save's make a lot os sense.

With the exception of the Bollywood number, I felt like the there was a lot more variation in the individual performances this week. So I think the voting will go more by individuals rather than by routine this week (and of course we're finally starting to get to know these dancers so the routines will matter less and less as we go forward).

I really wish we could get rid of Cyrus and get Eliana a better partner. I'd really like to see her with Will, who actually impressed me a lot this week. There were a couple of times where I actually preferred his lines over Amelia's, especially going into and coming out of positions.


I really hated the double elimination in the first week. I wish they'd give us a chance to see these people a couple of times before we have to make a decision.
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The Bollywood number was one of the best pieces of the night for me. The judges slathered it with praise and I seriously doubt that it will land Witney or Chehon in the bottom next week.

I agree with you about Cyrus though. The audience apparently does love an underdog and he's the only street-style specialist in the top 20, so I really think that the judges will coax him along into the top 10, keeping Eliana safe. But he was just f'ing horrible in that Jive. When the highest praise that you get from the judges is "you got through it!" (and I think that was the best he got last week, too) you should not survive in the competition no matter how affable you are. But "America" does seem to love the underdog rolleyes.gif.

Since two of the screaming-teen-girl studio audience favorites were cut (Nick and Daniel) I guess that they're not a very powerful component of the voting audience.

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When the highest praise you get is "Good job finishing that dance", you don't belong on the show.
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But he was just f'ing horrible in that Jive.

 

What did you think of him in the opening number? I thought it was funny when Nigel stated... we knew when we selected you it would be a struggle at times. 

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