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It will be interesting to see how next season goes and who they will bring in to replace Hader, Sudekis, Myers, and Armisen. I felt like the newer cast members were all somewhat lackluster all season, though some are better than others.
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What a great send off for Fred and Hader. The marriage bit was great, and then letting Fred sing a song and have all those alt folks come out and join him was a great touch. Next season Killem is probably going to be the main male focus with Strong as the female leader. The new fat girl and guy did absolutely nothing I enjoyed this season.
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I want more Nasim Pedrad.

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I want more Nasim Pedrad.
Unfortunately, we may be losing her as well!

She's been tapped for the lead role in a Lorne Michaels pilot, so if it's picked up that will unfortunately be the end of her on SNL, at least as a primary player.

Another item on the "John Mulaney" show. Mulaney is also a former writer for SNL and known for creating Weekend Update’s city correspondent Stefon with Bill Hader.
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What a great send off for Fred and Hader. The marriage bit was great, and then letting Fred sing a song and have all those alt folks come out and join him was a great touch. Next season Killem is probably going to be the main male focus with Strong as the female leader. The new fat girl and guy did absolutely nothing I enjoyed this season.


Totally agree. Loved last ep of weekend update with Amy coming back and doing "really"'

Seth and stephons the graduate saluting short, and Fred joined by Carrie in their band and his consorting friends from portlandia for his formal sign off.


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Next season Killem is probably going to be the main male focus
He and Bobby Moynahan will be the ONLY returning male players. Tim Robinson and Jay Pharaoh are quite awful. They will be VERY VERY SHALLOW on the male side and will have to be very lucky to find some new outstanding talent. I will really miss Hader's stable of impressions.

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with Strong as the female leader.
Cecily Strong and Kate McKinnon were HUGE finds currently in the "featured" category. But both of them were truly "regulars" from the get-go in my opinion. No need for apprenticeship. They are both TERRIFIC.

And Vanessa Bayer has also proven to be wonderful, as is Nasim Pedrad if only they would have given her real material. With the loss of Abby Elliot and Jenny Slate the wonderful Khardashians skit disappeared, along with Angelina Jolie, etc. But Vanessa Bayer has brought out some great characters, and she and Cecily Strong doing "not porn stars anymore" ads are always hysterical (I always look forward to find out what will be Cecily's final crazy sexual act mention while Vanessa says something else, while both keeping a straight face and the audience explodes with laughter).

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I know a lot of you guys love Bill Hader (well, at least I do). Here's a sketch from the Bieber episode that got pulled for very obvious reasons. Watch until the end to see Bill and the writers do a commentary about everything that went hilariously wrong.
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I know a lot of you guys love Bill Hader (well, at least I do). Here's a sketch from the Bieber episode that got pulled for very obvious reasons. Watch until the end to see Bill and the writers do a commentary about everything that went hilariously wrong.
I wish they could do a split screen of the actual crowd during that bit.
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anyone see hader on charlie rose the other night?


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Jason Sudeikis confirmed on Letterman the other night that he's definitely not coming back. So many great male leads leaving all at once. Feels like the season prior to Will Ferrell showing up. Could be a huge breath of fresh air, or a major bummer.
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this could be like the early mid-80s where snl stumbled around trying to find talented cast members after a massive wave of veterants graduated from the show.

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Other than the fall of 1980, were there any other complete replacements of the entire cast at once?
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We're really seeing the vaporizing of just about all of the significant current male veterans, all of whom were superb... especially at impressions, voices, recurring characters, rubber faces, physical comedy, etc. This is a major loss.

Taran Killam has potential when given the opportunity and good writing, but he's just not a Hader or Sudeikis or Armisen. Bobby Moynihan and Kenan Thompson are pretty good, but not "leading men" good like the departing superstars. Jay Pharoah is simply a one-trick impression disappointment, as is Tim Robinson just never really funny.

But on the female side, thankfully we [hopefully] will still have returning newkid jewels Vanessa Bayer, Kate McKinnon and Cecily Strong along with veteran Nasim Pedrad, all of whom are genuinely funny stars in whatever they do. They really get into character and costume. Aidy Bryant probably could be ok, but probably not 1st-tier.

I'd love to see a Weekend Update from two of the above four female superstars once Seth Meyers leaves next February. But don't lose them from sketches as well, just also give them WU responsibility.

Won't be too long when we'll see what Lorne can find. Given that he pretty much now heads NBC Entertainment I have faith.
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The problem with SNL isn't the on-air talent. That part of the equation has usually been healthy and seems to re-boot smoothly when required. The problem is the writing. How on earth some of these sketches make it to air without somebody, anybody - Loren, Bueller, anyone? - noticing that they're just not funny on any level beyond cast members' mugging (which will only take you so far unless your name is John Belushi), is beyond me.

New York is a city of 10 million + people, seemingly half of them in the entertainment business. How they can not find a consistently talented and funny group of writers - and reboot them as easily as the cast - is a wonder.

Here's a suggestion: Cut the running time of the show back to 1 hour. Maybe streamlining the time frame can enable them to cut some of the filler sketches and raise the quality of what does make it to air.
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The problem with SNL isn't the on-air talent. That part of the equation has usually been healthy and seems to re-boot smoothly when required. The problem is the writing. How on earth some of these sketches make it to air without somebody, anybody - Loren, Bueller, anyone? - noticing that they're just not funny on any level beyond cast members' mugging (which will only take you so far unless your name is John Belushi), is beyond me.

New York is a city of 10 million + people, seemingly half of them in the entertainment business. How they can not find a consistently talented and funny group of writers - and reboot them as easily as the cast - is a wonder.

Here's a suggestion: Cut the running time of the show back to 1 hour. Maybe streamlining the time frame can enable them to cut some of the filler sketches and raise the quality of what does make it to air.

I agree that the writing has been sub-par for a while now. It seems that they're relying on impressions more and more but after the initial chuckle of seeing the impression wears off, if the skit is not funny, then things fall flat. That being said, you can probably find scores of writers that can come up with a few funny bits, but can they do that week in, week out with a deadline of a few days, and that's why you just see impressions and repeating not-so funny characters.
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We're either headed into another golden age of female SNL comedy ala Maya-Amy-Tina-Rachel or another long dead zone of really bad shows during which Lorne desperately searches for quality male talent. I'm worried, but we've been here before several times and a lot of the time Lorne has come up with some great guys (Phil Hartman, Bill Hader, Ferrell, Darrell Hammond).
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The problem with SNL isn't the on-air talent. That part of the equation has usually been healthy and seems to re-boot smoothly when required. The problem is the writing. How on earth some of these sketches make it to air without somebody, anybody - Loren, Bueller, anyone? - noticing that they're just not funny on any level beyond cast members' mugging (which will only take you so far unless your name is John Belushi), is beyond me.
And yet... the most genuinely clever, funny, and entertaining bits are almost always those pre-made short films or fake ads in particular. These rapid-fire pieces have solid writing, short edited bits or brilliant impressions from the players in them (which obviously can be culled from a series of takes, picking the best one for the final edited air-worthy result), and are often non-stop hilarious.

For example just last season there was the Martha Stewart online dating service Match-dot-com fake-ad (starring Kate McKinnon), the flowers-dot-com fake ad, the nuva-bling fake ad, etc. Going back further there was the "Top Gun" out-takes, late-night K-Tel old music CD ad, etc., etc. These are absolutely brilliant... but they are clearly much more time consuming to write and produce, hence why they ALWAYS seem to work. These can be developed over weeks, rather than just a few days, and the absence of time constraint obviously works in their favor.

So they obviously have writers who can put out good stuff. Why that doesn't always translate into weekly live sketches that also work as well, I don't know... although occasionally you do have some novelty in a sketch that is brand new and presented for the first time (or allows everyone to do an impression, like Al Pacino or Vincent Price or Harvey Fierstein or Prince which we'll now never see again).

But sometimes they just stumble into something that REALLY REALLY ALWAYS WORKS, like the "no longer porn stars" ads (e.g. for Hermes) bits with Vanessa Bayer and Cecily Strong, because these are two very very good comedians. Seems to me to be the product from the same writer(s) who gave us the ads with Jenny Slate selling alarm clocks or door bells or whatever with her heavy New York accent and makeup, since the ideas are kind of similar. These are just always hilarious because the premise is truly funny, the writing is terrific, and the performers delivering the lines are terrific, especially when they have a strong male character to pop in as well to add to the comedy (like Ben Affleck). Whichever writer thought to have Cecily Strong end each bit verbalizing a bizarre inappropriate porn-film act reference while Vanessa Bayer simultaneously says something much more appropriate... genius. Hysterical.
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It just hit me: without Fred Armisen, Scarlett Johansson can never play Lexi again.  No more chandeliers, Roman columns, porcelain fountains, or ceramic busts ...

Now that's sad.  I need some time to grieve.
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The problem is the writing.... . ...Cut the running time of the show back to 1 hour. Maybe streamlining the time frame can enable them to cut some of the filler sketches and raise the quality of what does make it to air.

You are on the right track, but the problem isn't the run time of the total show. It's the run time of the sketches. The SNL format is that each sketch goes from commercial break to commercial break. The problem is, some sketches are bloody brilliant for 2 or 3 minutes, but simply can't be stretched out to 5 or 7 minutes. That's where pre-taped segments have an advantage. They can come up with a gag that's a funny setup and hits the punchline quickly, then ends. That's why variety shows that aren't live (like the old Mad TV) were, in my opinion, generally funnier overall. They could write as lot more sketches to fill the time, and not have so stretch each sketch with mugging, and beat you over the head with the same joke over and over. I don't know why SNL feels they have to have a single sketch commercial to commercial. Maybe the set changes or costume changes would too tough if they tried to do more on a live show. But whatever the reason, the format they are using is why the show is so uneven.
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The "One Moore Episode" of Portlandia made me laugh harder than any comedy in the last 5 years. Simply brilliant.
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And yet... the most genuinely clever, funny, and entertaining bits are almost always those pre-made short films or fake ads in particular. These rapid-fire pieces have solid writing, short edited bits or brilliant impressions from the players in them (which obviously can be culled from a series of takes, picking the best one for the final edited air-worthy result), and are often non-stop hilarious.

For example just last season there was the Martha Stewart online dating service Match-dot-com fake-ad (starring Kate McKinnon), the flowers-dot-com fake ad, the nuva-bling fake ad, etc. Going back further there was the "Top Gun" out-takes, late-night K-Tel old music CD ad, etc., etc. These are absolutely brilliant... but they are clearly much more time consuming to write and produce, hence why they ALWAYS seem to work. These can be developed over weeks, rather than just a few days, and the absence of time constraint obviously works in their favor.

So they obviously have writers who can put out good stuff. Why that doesn't always translate into weekly live sketches that also work as well, I don't know... although occasionally you do have some novelty in a sketch that is brand new and presented for the first time (or allows everyone to do an impression, like Al Pacino or Vincent Price or Harvey Fierstein or Prince which we'll now never see again).

But sometimes they just stumble into something that REALLY REALLY ALWAYS WORKS, like the "no longer porn stars" ads (e.g. for Hermes) bits with Vanessa Bayer and Cecily Strong, because these are two very very good comedians. Seems to me to be the product from the same writer(s) who gave us the ads with Jenny Slate selling alarm clocks or door bells or whatever with her heavy New York accent and makeup, since the ideas are kind of similar. These are just always hilarious because the premise is truly funny, the writing is terrific, and the performers delivering the lines are terrific, especially when they have a strong male character to pop in as well to add to the comedy (like Ben Affleck). Whichever writer thought to have Cecily Strong end each bit verbalizing a bizarre inappropriate porn-film act reference while Vanessa Bayer simultaneously says something much more appropriate... genius. Hysterical.

...put your whole fist in!

That skit will never get old.
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And yet... the most genuinely clever, funny, and entertaining bits are almost always those pre-made short films or fake ads in particular. These rapid-fire pieces have solid writing, short edited bits or brilliant impressions from the players in them (which obviously can be culled from a series of takes, picking the best one for the final edited air-worthy result), and are often non-stop hilarious.

For example just last season there was the Martha Stewart online dating service Match-dot-com fake-ad (starring Kate McKinnon), the flowers-dot-com fake ad, the nuva-bling fake ad, etc. Going back further there was the "Top Gun" out-takes, late-night K-Tel old music CD ad, etc., etc. These are absolutely brilliant... but they are clearly much more time consuming to write and produce, hence why they ALWAYS seem to work. These can be developed over weeks, rather than just a few days, and the absence of time constraint obviously works in their favor.

So they obviously have writers who can put out good stuff. Why that doesn't always translate into weekly live sketches that also work as well, I don't know... although occasionally you do have some novelty in a sketch that is brand new and presented for the first time (or allows everyone to do an impression, like Al Pacino or Vincent Price or Harvey Fierstein or Prince which we'll now never see again).

But sometimes they just stumble into something that REALLY REALLY ALWAYS WORKS, like the "no longer porn stars" ads (e.g. for Hermes) bits with Vanessa Bayer and Cecily Strong, because these are two very very good comedians. Seems to me to be the product from the same writer(s) who gave us the ads with Jenny Slate selling alarm clocks or door bells or whatever with her heavy New York accent and makeup, since the ideas are kind of similar. These are just always hilarious because the premise is truly funny, the writing is terrific, and the performers delivering the lines are terrific, especially when they have a strong male character to pop in as well to add to the comedy (like Ben Affleck). Whichever writer thought to have Cecily Strong end each bit verbalizing a bizarre inappropriate porn-film act reference while Vanessa Bayer simultaneously says something much more appropriate... genius. Hysterical.



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There are 3-4 episodes that do that to me.


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We're either headed into another golden age of female SNL comedy ala Maya-Amy-Tina-Rachel or another long dead zone of really bad shows during which Lorne desperately searches for quality male talent. I'm worried, but we've been here before several times and a lot of the time Lorne has come up with some great guys (Phil Hartman, Bill Hader, Ferrell, Darrell Hammond).
I'm leaning towards dead zone. I don't find any of the ladies on SNL at the moment particularly funny except for Nasim. Every one else seems replacable.
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Still don't like Vanessa Bayer.

Still needs more Nasim Pedrad.

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Say goodby to lindsay buckingham

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Until Hader hosts.
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Well, with the show also losing Seth Meyers (who was lead writer, right?) they'll hopefully get an influx of fresh writing talent too.
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