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Thought the show was pretty good. Vegas ala 1960s.
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It didn't hold my interest at all, and it just made me remember how awesome Crime Story was.
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I liked it a lot, but I'll watch just about anything with Dennis Quaid. smile.gif I also loved the 1960's cars & neon signs.
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Yep - didn't think much of it.
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I liked it a whole lot more than I thought I would. I'll be giving it 4-5 episodes more to see how it develops, it does have a very talented cast going for it.
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I liked it a lot--good acting and storytelling. Unfortunately I'm a real car nut and spotted lots of cars that were too new, but at least there were no touch-tone phones or square screen color tvs.

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I'd give it a "Meh+". It was OK, I'll watch again -- for a while. It did not grab me, but it may have potential, I'll give it a few weeks to find it's footing.
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I don't mind shows about Vegas, but seeing it from the 60's bored me.

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I liked it, enjoyed Quaid and Chiklis, will keep watching to see these 2 guys...
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Enjoyed the 1960 setting, the DC 6, the old cars, and Vic Mackey. Let's see if it's as authentic as Crime Story was.... Maybe Torello, Pauli, and Frank Holman will make guest appearances????
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I liked it, though I'm not sure how well they'll keep it up long term. It remains to be seen if they stay close to history, since the real Sheriff Ralph Lamb was alledged to be dirty himself, having been accused of taking bribes and taking part in some shading financial deals.
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I liked it a lot--good acting and storytelling. Unfortunately I'm a real car nut and spotted lots of cars that were too new, but at least there were no touch-tone phones or square screen color tvs.
Well, Lamb became Sheriff in 1961, so that is likely the year they're in. What cars were too new for then? I think the Cadillac Brougham the mob guys rode in was from 1959. I don't remember what model truck Lamb was driving, but I didn't notice anything else. The police cars were all 50's era models.

It should be pointed out, that all color TVs were square screens. Only early black and white ones were round. Also, color TV started in 1954 and 50% of the shows were in color by 1965. It's not out of the realm of possiblilty those in Vegas - including gansters and correupt politicians as well as the casinos themselves might have the latest and greatest TV sets.
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I don't mind shows about Vegas, but seeing it from the 60's bored me.

As noted, it's based on a real guy, so the timeframe is relevent to the story.

It would be nice to see a more orange, almond, gold and tangerine pallete (along with dark walnut and oak) since those were popular colors back then. Some of the colors seemed a bit cool for the era.
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I don't mind shows about Vegas, but seeing it from the 60's bored me.

I'm just the opposite. I've had enough with shows about Las Vegas, but gave it a try anyway because of the cast - not knowing it was a period piece. Being set in the 60's made it interesting enough for me to give it a chance.
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I'm sure I saw a couple '63 Fords in there, also
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It should be pointed out, that all color TVs were square screens. Only early black and white ones were round.

RCA did manufacture color TV's in the 1960's with round picture tubes. Google RCA Model CTC-11H Color Television to see one.
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I'm sure I saw a couple '63 Fords in there, also
RCA did manufacture color TV's in the 1960's with round picture tubes. Google RCA Model CTC-11H Color Television to see one.
Hmmm...I could have sworn we were over that round thing by then.

As far as the 63 Fords, I guess that comes down to whether they're using the real timeline of events or not. I don't remember seeing a calender, so I don't know what year they're going with. It should be '61 if he's just becoming Sheriff. However, without seeing a calender, it could be '63 or even '65 if they wanted it to be. Right now, everything I can find on the show just says ""the 1960's". It all depends on whether NASA is on "Mercury" or "Gemini", I guess. I doubt we're in "Apollo" territory, though.

Since Vegas Vic was in the background of some of the shots, we know it's at least 1951... wink.gif
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The beginning of the episode said "Las Vegas 1960" IIRC.
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The beginning of the episode said "Las Vegas 1960" IIRC.

That's what I saw and the first Ford I saw was a 1964. eek.gif

Go figure. Artistic license or just lazy?

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Hmmm...I could have sworn we were over that round thing by then.

http://bs.cyty.com/menschen/e-etzold/archiv/TV/rca/ctc5_e.htm

Look specifically at the second paragraph...

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That's what I saw and the first Ford I saw was a 1964. eek.gif
Go figure. Artistic license or just lazy?
They probably figured most people wouldn't notice. Sometimes you have to use what you can get ahold of from collectors and rental outlets.

People talk about cars today "all looking the same" when it's always been like that. Back in the 50's and early 60's, nearly all cars had fins and trucks had tombstone grills, round headlights and big fenders. Later, it was quad headlights, huge C-Pillars and blacked out grills on muscle cars. By the 80's, it was a style known as "generic ugly motivated by anemic power" accented by quad square headlights and razor thin, squared off front ends on 4 cylinder sports cars. By the mid eighties, it was all about the retractable headlights until everyone realized they were a pain in the butt in the winter when you had to lock them open to keep them from freezing shut.

With rare exceptions, the average person wouldn't be able to tell any of them apart. People might immediately recognize the iconic design of a '63 Vette as being a Vette, but few could tell you the year.
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The beginning of the episode said "Las Vegas 1960" IIRC.

it did. The black Lincoln that Chiklis rode around in was a 1961 model with a bad chug in the engine and wide whites which were already out of style by then, in favor of narrower whitewalls. The lady DAs T-bird was on the same body shell as the Lincoln and the basic shell was introduced for the 1961 model year (replaced the 4 seater "squareBird that ran from the 58 thru 60 model years) but the hashmarks on the side of hers were added in 62 or 63. The yellow mopar taxi(s) was no newer than 1962. The crooked male DA drove a 63 or 64 Pontiac (no stacked headlights on 61s). Some of the cop cars could have been 61s but most were newer. the bad guy's blue Caddy did look like a 61 model with the skedge line above the rocker panels--if it was a 2 door, however it could not have been a 61 as it had the wide C pillars and 61 models had very thin C pillars. I'm not that familiar with pickups of the era but one of them had aftermarket spoked white steel wheels which date from the 70s or so.

If you check the scene where Quade's character is riding in the back of the cop car after being summoned by the mayor you'll see that the rear seat upholstery was red cloth, not the black vinyl that a cop car would have, and that in the over-the-driver's shoulder shots the column shift lever is either in Park (if it's an automatic) or 2nd gear (if it's a stick). Three on the tree cars were never driven in 2nd gear at cruise or anything below about 25mph on level roads.

I'll accept the presence of 61 model cars as they would have been available from about sept or oct of 1960.

There wasn't a single 1960 model car in the whole show.

As for tvs, no color sets were shown at all, and that's realistic because until Bonanza started broadcasting in 1960 they were very scarce. I'd expect the Casino boss to have one but his living quarters were never shown. Square screen color sets came a year or three later, first sold by Motorola iirc.

I'm not pointing these out as deal killers by any means, and they didn't take me out of the show, but I should say that they didn't do as good a job avoiding anachronisms as Mad Men.

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it did. The black Lincoln that Chiklis rode around in was a 1961 model with a bad chug in the engine and wide whites which were already out of style by then, in favor of narrower whitewalls. The lady DAs T-bird was on the same body shell as the Lincoln and the basic shell was introduced for the 1961 model year (replaced the 4 seater "squareBird that ran from the 58 thru 60 model years) but the hashmarks on the side of hers were added in 62 or 63. The yellow mopar taxi(s) was no newer than 1962. The crooked male DA drove a 63 or 64 Pontiac (no stacked headlights on 61s). Some of the cop cars could have been 61s but most were newer. the bad guy's blue Caddy did look like a 61 model with the skedge line above the rocker panels--if it was a 2 door, however it could not have been a 61 as it had the wide C pillars and 61 models had very thin C pillars. I'm not that familiar with pickups of the era but one of them had aftermarket spoked white steel wheels which date from the 70s or so.
If you check the scene where Quade's character is riding in the back of the cop car after being summoned by the mayor you'll see that the rear seat upholstery was red cloth, not the black vinyl that a cop car would have, and that in the over-the-driver's shoulder shots the column shift lever is either in Park (if it's an automatic) or 2nd gear (if it's a stick). Three on the tree cars were never driven in 2nd gear at cruise or anything below about 25mph on level roads.
I'll accept the presence of 61 model cars as they would have been available from about sept or oct of 1960.
There wasn't a single 1960 model car in the whole show.
As for tvs, no color sets were shown at all, and that's realistic because until Bonanza started broadcasting in 1960 they were very scarce. I'd expect the Casino boss to have one but his living quarters were never shown. Square screen color sets came a year or three later, first sold by Motorola iirc.
I'm not pointing these out as deal killers by any means, and they didn't take me out of the show, but I should say that they didn't do as good a job avoiding anachronisms as Mad Men.
Good eye, Steve. I did know that the one Thunderbird was a 1961-1963 because I had an uncle who had one just like it. And, for what it's worth, I had a 1961 black Ford Sunliner (convertible) with the big 390 C.I. engine that I bought used in 1965 when I was in college. The girls, especially my future wife, loved it. She still talks about that car. smile.gif
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Regarding Mad Men, the very first episode (in 1960) used all of the hit songs of 1956. Although wonderful songs, NOBODY in 1960 would be listening to 4 year old "pop" music.
Yeah, I'm nit picking, but if you were a teenager coming up in that time frame, you'd understand. Music WAS important, so what's the point in using music from a different era.

A current period show that "gets it right", cars, music, costumes, etc. is "Magic City". Second Season in 2013 on Startz.

Vegas will get better.
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Regarding Mad Men, the very first episode (in 1960) used all of the hit songs of 1956. Although wonderful songs, NOBODY in 1960 would be listening to 4 year old "pop" music.
Yeah, I'm nit picking, but if you were a teenager coming up in that time frame, you'd understand. Music WAS important, so what's the point in using music from a different era.
A current period show that "gets it right", cars, music, costumes, etc. is "Magic City". Second Season in 2013 on Startz.
Vegas will get better.

I was a senior in high school in 1960, the latter half. I can tell you for certain that we, and there were a bunch of us, listened to songs from 1956/7/8/9 as well as the new songs of the day. It was the beginnings of rock and roll and we loved it all, just couldn't get enough of it. KFWB and KRLA in Los Angeles would do weekends of oldies but goodies all the time......

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it did. The black Lincoln that Chiklis rode around in was a 1961 model with a bad chug in the engine and wide whites which were already out of style by then, in favor of narrower whitewalls. The lady DAs T-bird was on the same body shell as the Lincoln and the basic shell was introduced for the 1961 model year (replaced the 4 seater "squareBird that ran from the 58 thru 60 model years) but the hashmarks on the side of hers were added in 62 or 63. The yellow mopar taxi(s) was no newer than 1962. The crooked male DA drove a 63 or 64 Pontiac (no stacked headlights on 61s). Some of the cop cars could have been 61s but most were newer. the bad guy's blue Caddy did look like a 61 model with the skedge line above the rocker panels--if it was a 2 door, however it could not have been a 61 as it had the wide C pillars and 61 models had very thin C pillars. I'm not that familiar with pickups of the era but one of them had aftermarket spoked white steel wheels which date from the 70s or so.
If you check the scene where Quade's character is riding in the back of the cop car after being summoned by the mayor you'll see that the rear seat upholstery was red cloth, not the black vinyl that a cop car would have, and that in the over-the-driver's shoulder shots the column shift lever is either in Park (if it's an automatic) or 2nd gear (if it's a stick). Three on the tree cars were never driven in 2nd gear at cruise or anything below about 25mph on level roads.
I'll accept the presence of 61 model cars as they would have been available from about sept or oct of 1960.
There wasn't a single 1960 model car in the whole show.
As for tvs, no color sets were shown at all, and that's realistic because until Bonanza started broadcasting in 1960 they were very scarce. I'd expect the Casino boss to have one but his living quarters were never shown. Square screen color sets came a year or three later, first sold by Motorola iirc.
I'm not pointing these out as deal killers by any means, and they didn't take me out of the show, but I should say that they didn't do as good a job avoiding anachronisms as Mad Men.
Well, in that case, they should have set in 1961, since that's when the real Sheriff Lamb became Sheriff anyway.

It would have at least cleared up a few of those items.
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They probably figured most people wouldn't notice. Sometimes you have to use what you can get ahold of from collectors and rental outlets.
People talk about cars today "all looking the same" when it's always been like that. Back in the 50's and early 60's, nearly all cars had fins and trucks had tombstone grills, round headlights and big fenders. Later, it was quad headlights, huge C-Pillars and blacked out grills on muscle cars. By the 80's, it was a style known as "generic ugly motivated by anemic power" accented by quad square headlights and razor thin, squared off front ends on 4 cylinder sports cars. By the mid eighties, it was all about the retractable headlights until everyone realized they were a pain in the butt in the winter when you had to lock them open to keep them from freezing shut.
With rare exceptions, the average person wouldn't be able to tell any of them apart. People might immediately recognize the iconic design of a '63 Vette as being a Vette, but few could tell you the year.

I couldn't disagree more re: not being able to tell one car from the next back in the 50s & 60s. Maybe the upperclass in the cities can't but the folks out in small town America and on the farms certainly could. The 56, 57, 58, & 59 Chevys were distinctly different from each other as were the Fords. Chrysler products somewhat different each year, just not as much. wink.gif

Today I'll bet you could take 50 cars, remove the logo and 1 out of 10 people couldn't even tell you the manufacturer, let alone the model. eek.gif

I agree w/ Bobby94928. Graduated in '60 and listened to late 50s music. How could we not as it was the birth of Rock 'n' Roll. biggrin.gif

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I couldn't disagree more re: not being able to tell one car from the next back in the 50s & 60s. Maybe the upperclass in the cities can't but the folks out in small town America and on the farms certainly could. The 56, 57, 58, & 59 Chevys were distinctly different from each other as were the Fords. Chrysler products somewhat different each year, just not as much. wink.gif
Today I'll bet you could take 50 cars, remove the logo and 1 out of 10 people couldn't even tell you the manufacturer, let alone the model. eek.gif
I agree w/ Bobby94928. Graduated in '60 and listened to late 50s music. How could we not as it was the birth of Rock 'n' Roll. biggrin.gif
You're a car guy. People who know cars are like people who know guns, planes, stamps or any other collectable thing: they all think people care as much as they do about the stuff to know anything about it.

Take 50 cars from any decade and remove the name plates and I guarantee nobody who didn't grow up with them would be able to tell them apart. Even people who grew up in the era don't always know.
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My point was/is that cars in the 50s/60s didn't all look alike.

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My point was/is that cars in the 50s/60s didn't all look alike.
What you really mean is, to you they didn't look the same.

To most people, fins were fins and muscle cars were muscle cars. I'd be surprised if the average person could spot the difference between a 50s era Pontiac vs a Ford vs a Mercury from the same year without the name plates. Likewise, most couldn't tell a Charger from a GTO from a Camaro without the emblems.

I guarantee, 90% of the viewers didn't catch the anachronisms with the vehicles.

They'd be more likely to question a car phone in the show, yet those have been around since the 40's.
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What you really mean is, to you they didn't look the same.
To most people, fins were fins and muscle cars were muscle cars. I'd be surprised if the average person could spot the difference between a 50s era Pontiac vs a Ford vs a Mercury from the same year without the name plates. Likewise, most couldn't tell a Charger from a GTO from a Camaro without the emblems.
I guarantee, 90% of the viewers didn't catch the anachronisms with the vehicles.
They'd be more likely to question a car phone in the show, yet those have been around since the 40's.

I'd also guarantee that 90% of viewers didn't spot the "wrong" cars--it doesn't follow that 90% of people living through this time period couldn't tell a Mercury fron a Buick, quite the opposite was probably true. (speaking of Buicks, the old sheriff's car was a green '56.) This was a time before epa and crash test ratings when cars were sold on styling and horsepower and every effort was made to differentiate makes and change them significantly from year to year. Car styling was a major part of popular culture at the time and it wasn't uncommon for people to make an evening of checking out all the new models at local dealerships every fall. There were a few ivory tower types who actually complained about this (Consumer's Union coined the term "planned obsolescence") normal folks dismissed them as "eggheads" and eagerly plunked down for a new car as often as possible. There was also a very high degree of brand loyalty in those days so it behooved folks like Harley Earle and Virgil Exner to make their cars as distinctive as possible.

As for car phones they existed but were wired into the dash and required an antenna mounted usually on the back bumper that was about 6 feet long, the same was true of the radios used in cop cars (didn't see any of these antennas on the show either).

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I don't know if it bodes well for my interest in the show, but I just could not get myself to watch tonight... It's on the DVR and I may watch later, but not a high priority.

I guess I'll wait to read some feed back on tonight's episode.
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I liked it, but of course I'm only 1 of 314,506,451 people currently in the USA (based on this morning's population clock). So what I thought was good may not accede with everyone else's opinion of the episode. smile.gif
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