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I pegged Nina to become a double agent when Stan lied to her about killing the young KGB agent , as soon as she was promoted I knew she would fess-up because it was the smart thing to do .

I don't think she confessed strictly because of the promotion; I'd say she confessed because she could tell Stan was lying when she asked him directly whether he killed Vlad. She figures that since Stan is lying about Vlad, he's also lying about exfiltrating her, and he's also not really in love with her (since he's giving priority to his job, rather than her, by not revealing Vlad's killer), so she can't count on Stan to help her for personal reasons, either.

She therefore concludes that her work for the FBI will eventually end up getting her caught and killed by the KGB, since Stan won't help her escape, so she might as well come clean and try to get killed in the line of duty to the service of her country, rather die in shame as a double agent. Stan's threat to expose her illegal activities to her superiors no longer carries any weight, since pretty much all roads ahead of her lead to death, so she might as well take the one that lets her die with some integrity. It would be pretty hard for the rezident to fully trust her after this, so I expect that her mission for redemption will be her last. I also wouldn't be surprised if Stan learns of her betrayal shortly before her death, which might just send him off the deep end at the start of the second season.
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Wow, another amazing ep in this great first season. First I'm wowed by the whole slam-bang wedding deal and the impact on Philip and Liz, then Nina drops the bombshell to Arkady about being the mole. I was shocked by the latter even though you know it was because of Stan lying about Vlad. There will be a lot of fallout from the wedding too.

This show is awesome, week after week. Right up there with all the cable greats now.
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There's something to be said for a woman's intuition smile.gif I think Nina played a very calculated move on her part - it's reasonable to assume that she knew what the outcome of her confession would be. Throw in some pouty lips and words like patriotism and redemption, and she pretty much get exactly what she wanted.

And now that there's a bug planted in agent Gaad's office, I wonder if they'll find out through that bug that the FBI have discovered the clock bug. Knowing that the FBI knows about the clock bug and are potentially using it to leak false information, the KGB could in turn use that against them. Oh, the duplicity...
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this show just keeps getting better. the title of this episode was "the oath" and it was really fascinating to see the oaths made and the effects it had on three different women. in nina's oath to mother russia, she has to say that she would rather die than betray her country. i think that had a profound effect on her and triggered her decision to fess up. also interesting to see elizabeth's reaction to the "wedding". even though it was a sham, she was still touched by it, wondering if it would've made a difference if her and phillip had actually voiced the words of the marriage oath. and the more subtle one would be oath that the maid has made to God....evidenced by the scene of her listening to the sermon against lying....causing her to go to the FBI.

really good writing, direction and acting on this show.... so much better than most of what's out there. i'm glad i stumbled upon this show and caught it from the beginning.
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I have enjoyed the discussion of why Nina decided to confess to her Rezidentura that she had turned over classified materials to and was involved in a sexual liaison with Stan. I think Nina's decision was made at a far more instinctual level than some of you. I think her prime goal has become survival and, given Stan has lied to her, believes that coming clean and sticking with the Rodina gives her her best chance of avoiding death or imprisonment.
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this show just keeps getting better. the title of this episode was "the oath" and it was really fascinating to see the oaths made and the effects it had on three different women. in nina's oath to mother russia, she has to say that she would rather die than betray her country. i think that had a profound effect on her and triggered her decision to fess up. also interesting to see elizabeth's reaction to the "wedding". even though it was a sham, she was still touched by it, wondering if it would've made a difference if her and phillip had actually voiced the words of the marriage oath. and the more subtle one would be oath that the maid has made to God....evidenced by the scene of her listening to the sermon against lying....causing her to go to the FBI.

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This is the one show that should get a lot of emmy awards. Just outstanding story and acting.

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I keep wondering when Martha will discover (or comment) on Phillip's hairpiece. 

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I keep wondering when Martha will discover (or comment) on Phillip's hairpiece. 
Perhaps on a sleepover, she'll attempt to run her fingers through it and they'll get stuck in it... wink.gif
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I keep wondering when Martha will discover (or comment) on Phillip's hairpiece. 
. Ha, that's what crosses my mind everytime I see them together.
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Mo Ryan on a The Americans panel states, "Can confirm much talk of advanced Soviet wig technology."

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LOL biggrin.gif

Edit: You guys are too old for me. Most of you were alive before I was even born and got to experience this in time in history. I feel left out tongue.gif
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LOL biggrin.gif

Edit: You guys are too old for me. Most of you were alive before I was even born and got to experience this in time in history. I feel left out tongue.gif
Not only did I grow up during this period (began school at just about the end of the 70's and finished college by the mid-90's), but I have a father who was in the army serving in Germany during both the Cuban Missile Crisis and Kennedy's assassination. During those 13 days in October, the whole base over there (and everywhere else) was fully prepared for WWIII to happen at any moment.

During the 80's, despite all the excess, our entertainment often reflected the possibility of nuclear war with Russia, including the made for TV movie "The Day After", "Amazing Grace and Chuck", "Wargames", "Red Dawn" and quite a others. Every action show and movie had Russian spies in them at the time - often looking to defect.

It's hard to imagine now a president as popular as Reagan was at the time and people actually getting exited about the space program after so many years of not much happing after the moon landings.

There was so much new in technology, too, with computers finally getting into homes, the first consumer cell phones, music videos (I remember seeing "Thriller" for the first time) and suddenly feeling like things were really changing fast. Plus, we got to see the buildup from early CGI in movies like Star Trek II, to 3D animation movies and full blown CGI in the early 90's with Toy STory and Terminator 2. As that occurred, though, we saw some amazing animatronic work, most notibly with E.T.

The horror movie franchises were all heating up, Spielberg and Lucas were having a banner decade and the family action show was topping the airwaves along with the prime time soap opera. Clothing stopped being about looks so much as name brands and cars all had razor thin front ends so sharp, you could cut all the cocaine people were using with them.

That was quite a time.
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Cool posting, thanks for sharing smile.gif

I do know that my parents had a hard time financially during the mid to late 80's. It was like a mini recession in Austin, Texas during that time. I think tongue.gif
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Yes, and don't forget "The Russians Are Coming The Russians Are Coming" starring the recently deceased fabulous Jonathan Winters and the still going strong Alan Arkin. It was before the decade of the 80's, but it was set during the time that Philip and Elizabeth were "in training" (mid 1960's). Although it was a comedy (one of the best), it still addressed some very real concerns of the time.
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When I grew up the Russians were our allies. rolleyes.gif

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Yes, and don't forget "The Russians Are Coming The Russians Are Coming" starring the recently deceased fabulous Jonathan Winters and the still going strong Alan Arkin. It was before the decade of the 80's, but it was set during the time that Philip and Elizabeth were "in training" (mid 1960's). Although it was a comedy (one of the best), it still addressed some very real concerns of the time.

About the same time as Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. A classic in my book. wink.gif

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About the same time as Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. A classic in my book. wink.gif

+1! Dr. Strangelove is one of Stanley Kubrick's many masterpieces. It is among my all time favorite films and I have it on BD.
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Dr. Strangelove is a top 5 movie in my book.... The more I watch it the better it gets.... Mandrake..
There is a great set of extras about the movie on You Tube.
I have the DVD version. How much better is it on Blu-Ray??
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I'm pretty excited about the season finale tonight.

My first guess was that Stan is going to figure out the true identities of Philip and Elizabeth right before Nina shoots him, but it probably won't play out that way. I'll just have to watch and see what happens. smile.gif
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I agree. Should be a real barn burner. I'm sure they'll set up a nail-biting cliffhanger for next season, which is why I'm reasonably sure nobody's secret identity will be revealed tonight.
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I'm pretty excited about the season finale tonight.

My first guess was that Stan is going to figure out the true identities of Philip and Elizabeth right before Nina shoots him, but it probably won't play out that way. I'll just have to watch and see what happens. smile.gif
There is an irony in the Stan -Nina relationship..If Stan hadn't killed the KGB agent Nina would have stayed an informer, and it appears as part of her new duties she will soon learn about Phillip and Elizabeth...Stan lost her trust just about the time she could have told him something very interesting...

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I agree. Should be a real barn burner. I'm sure they'll set up a nail-biting cliffhanger for next season, which is why I'm reasonably sure nobody's secret identity will be revealed tonight.

Maybe Stan will be sitting on the can reading a book and have a enlightening moment that his neighbors are KGB...kinda like the cliffhanger in Breaking Bad.

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Well, that was one of the best hours on television ever. Gripping.

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i wasn't sure what was gonna happen tonite. Great episode, now I need to watch it again.

Nina is a good manipulator.

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Well, that was one of the best hours on television ever. Gripping.


Agreed, watching it live I was like, let's get the commercials moving! Thought Claudia had a standout ep, it really showed a different side to her. Great from the begining to Peter Gabriel end.
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Thought Claudia had a standout ep, it really showed a different side to her. Great from the begining to Peter Gabriel end.

Yeah, the song was perfect, like it hab been written for the episode. Much like how "Never Leaving Harlan Alive" summed up what happened on Justified when it was played at the end of the first two seasons. Yost and company sure know how to pick 'em.Not only did it add depth to the drama, it also left me with a new appreaciation for the song.

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Agreed, watching it live I was like, let's get the commercials moving! Thought Claudia had a standout ep, it really showed a different side to her. Great from the begining to Peter Gabriel end.

Yes, Claudia's performance last night was stellar! Besides the excellent storyline, the casting is simply perfect.

Others mentioned in previous posts the unraveling of Stan and how he's headed for a train-wreck. One couldn't help sympathizing with him when he tried, in vain, to save his marriage by a surprise 8-day trip to an exotic location. When that failed he turns to Nina to seek to encourage her and in doing so inadvertently reveals the trap the FBI was setting for Philip/Elizabeth. The only thing he now lives for is his job and *if* (or I should say *when*) he learns that his relationship and confiding in Nina was the catalyst for the Russians to abort their mission, that may very well be the "straw that breaks the camel's back."

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I thought the colonels comments in the park were interesting regarding the technologies being worked on would not come to fruition for many years to come. Reagan did force the Soviets to over spend and basically bankrupt them into evolving to where they are now.
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Nice touch calling up the FBI agent who was just out to get you to babysit your kids while you tend to your pretend-wife who was shot by FBI agents.
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