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Thanks for the laugh guys.

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If I'm wrong about this show but I'm not I'll bet this is its last season. I'll eat crow if its renewed for a fourth season. But if there was a betting window that we could bet on show's being renewed I'd lay a wager that this is it for The Americans. Sometimes I just have to see it through when you start from the start of season one and waited for something that would get my interest but never happened. I'm bored.
It's going at least 5 seasons. Andy Greenwald referred to that in his article yesterday.

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The people on The Americans aren’t good or bad. They’re just people, which means the morality needle is always spinning. This has led to a series rife with conflict but profoundly wary of resolution. Nearly every great American drama has given its audiences at least the occasional whiff of victory to keep them sweet: Tony Soprano would smile from time to time; McNulty and Bunk would blow out their sorrows on Jameson and beer. It’s a nod to the secret chemistry of all domestic TV: Give them a taste of the good stuff and soon they’ll be hungering for a full meal. The Americans, like a lugubrious Russian thinker, abjures this capitalist system of constant reward. There is no buoyancy to its storytelling, there is little long-term hope. (This is likely why the ratings remain so poor. But never fear: In January, FX boss John Landgraf promised “at least” five seasons, and recent conversations with the network have made it clear to me that he wasn’t lying, numbers be damned.) Call it a downer if you must. To me, it’s oddly liberating. Yes, it’s a show primarily about lying. But to watch The Americans is to be forced to sink deeper and deeper into uncomfortable truths. To borrow a phrase from Betty, the doomed widow in the machine repair shop, it’s impossible to watch this show with even a grain of sugar in your eyes.
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Thanks for the laugh guys.

Much like with Homeland maybe you should choose a new way of watching TV if you haven't liked then why watch? You can always catch things here and there that don't contain spoilers to see if anything has changed. This show has been pretty much the same style since season 1. It's not for everyone, but it is one of the best shows on TV that "no one" is watching. The slow burn and focus on characters is what I like about this show on top of its serialized fashion. Maybe you should just stop now free yourself of the pain and come back and watch the series finale.


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The question is what else FX has in the pipeline.

They're going to have to replace Justified so if they have two shows they think will get ratings and good reviews to draw higher demographic viewers, it could be trouble for this show.
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The question is what else FX has in the pipeline.



They're going to have to replace Justified so if they have two shows they think will get ratings and good reviews to draw higher demographic viewers, it could be trouble for this show.

Shows are seasonal, so they would want two shows for this time of year. If they have one more final season to wrap everything up and end with out rushing it would go a long way in being the "unnetwork". These days people don't watch shows sometimes because of the fear of cancellation. If a network is willing to get behind shows that are good, but maybe not liked by large audiences and give them a chance it may draw more viewers. I'm still sour at AMc for canceling Rubicon which I thought was a great show that ended poorly due to being rushed.


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And she and Philip haven't lost their souls yet, as Philip's angry conversation with Gabriel showed.
Speaking of which, I can't recall how Gabriel fits into the larger picture. He was their handler prior to the events of season 1, right? Philip mentioned Gabriel's betrayal, but do we know what happened? I recall some bad events led to his replacement by Margo, but maybe we're just talking about how Gabriel has been working behind Philip's back to corrupt Paige.

Also, am I missing something regarding the mail robot? Why would they want a bug there? Do they expect FBI agents to be having top-secret conversations in the hallways? Perhaps they're just desperate to get some kind of replacement bug in place, even if it's not going to be nearly as useful as the one in the pen, but it seems like a bigger risk than necessary for the potential payoff it could yield.

As for the ratings and renewal prospects, I agree that it's wise to play the long game when it comes to renewing a critically acclaimed but underwatched show. As archi said, there are 500 channels on cable, but establishing your channel with a reputation as the one with excellent programming is the best thing you can do to ensure the eyeballs keep returning in the future.
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Speaking of which, I can't recall how Gabriel fits into the larger picture. He was their handler prior to the events of season 1, right? Philip mentioned Gabriel's betrayal, but do we know what happened? I recall some bad events led to his replacement by Margo, but maybe we're just talking about how Gabriel has been working behind Philip's back to corrupt Paige.
That's what I remember. We never got much background on him in the first season. Just from the way he acts I can think we can say that he has a suspicious background and ulterior motives as their handler. Even Philip is realizing that Gabriel is manipulating them.

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Also, am I missing something regarding the mail robot? Why would they want a bug there? Do they expect FBI agents to be having top-secret conversations in the hallways? Perhaps they're just desperate to get some kind of replacement bug in place, even if it's not going to be nearly as useful as the one in the pen, but it seems like a bigger risk than necessary for the potential payoff it could yield.
It does seem a fairly limited bug but they've made desperate attempts for quick info in the past. I guess it depends where the robot goes. Classified files from various places end up in the bot so maybe it roams around in meeting rooms too. Hearing just the file names of operations would be of some use I suppose.


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The question is what else FX has in the pipeline.
FX has a lot in development right now. Kurt Sutter's The Bastard Executioner is getting good buzz and is shooting now, Ridley Scott is making Taboo, Denis Leary on Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll and a lot of half-hour comedies. They are not short of new projects when Justified goes and The Bridge has already gone, but even then all the new shows are untested so will have little effect on any show this season.


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Putting a new bug in the mail robot while the FBI is still investigating the pen bug is a risky proposition. If I'm the FBI, that's a "high value target" that I'd be keeping a close eye on (especially since it just went out for repairs). Another thing to consider: if they do find the new bug in the robot, who's going to rise to the top of the suspect list? Gaad, of course. He's the one who damaged the robot and sent it out for repairs, and it was his pen that was previously bugged. Things could go from bad (getting beaten up by Elizabeth) to worse (being accused of treason) for ol' John-Boy.
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If your a fan or not on the The Americans remember we live in corporate America and it's all about the money. The Bridge and The Americans ratings were about the same and I didn't hear the word renewed yet so I'll be waiting. And when we all think the same way nobody is thinking at all.

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Poor Martha. Can't see a scenario at this point where this ends well for her. Terrific job by that actress (Alison Wright) conveying all those complex emotions. What will happen to Philip's soul if he has to plug that leak (no pun intended)?
The wife and I are kind of scratching heads about her - Martha knows that Clark is not who he says he is, but does she suspect that he's a spy? I would guess so, and then is the logical conclusion that she's in as deep as he is so there's nothing to lose by sticking with him?

I think that the motivation is that he's all she's got and doesn't want to go back to the (possibly) lonely life she had before.

Also, we're puzzled as to why Elizabeth forced the issue with the old lady at the repair shop, there wasn't any need to go up there. It seemed like the writers wanted to force another episode of self-doubt for her at the expense of what would've been more reasonable (standing watch for Philip and only taking action if the old lady saw them).
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If I'm wrong about this show but I'm not I'll bet this is its last season. I'll eat crow if its renewed for a fourth season. But if there was a betting window that we could bet on show's being renewed I'd lay a wager that this is it for The Americans. Sometimes I just have to see it through when you start from the start of season one and waited for something that would get my interest but never happened. I'm bored.
Renewal of the show (and ratings) have nothing to do with the quality of it, something that's apparently lost on you. It's not like it would be the first time a good show got canned because a lot of folks don't appreciate it and/or don't like the subject matter.
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Also, am I missing something regarding the mail robot? Why would they want a bug there? Do they expect FBI agents to be having top-secret conversations in the hallways? Perhaps they're just desperate to get some kind of replacement bug in place, even if it's not going to be nearly as useful as the one in the pen, but it seems like a bigger risk than necessary for the potential payoff it could yield.
This bothered me too, just didn't see the rationale behind planting the bug here (and having to maintain it by swapping tapes, something that was alluded to).
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If your a fan or not on the The Americans remember we live in corporate America and it's all about the money. The Bridge and The Americans ratings were about the same and I didn't hear the word renewed yet so I'll be waiting. And when we all think the same way nobody is thinking at all.
But the problem here is that you're not adding anything you're just bored with the show. There's no point in sticking around, find something else to watch and constructively post about.
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The wife and I are kind of scratching heads about her - Martha knows that Clark is not who he says he is, but does she suspect that he's a spy? I would guess so, and then is the logical conclusion that she's in as deep as he is so there's nothing to lose by sticking with him?

I think that the motivation is that he's all she's got and doesn't want to go back to the (possibly) lonely life she had before.

Also, we're puzzled as to why Elizabeth forced the issue with the old lady at the repair shop, there wasn't any need to go up there. It seemed like the writers wanted to force another episode of self-doubt for her at the expense of what would've been more reasonable (standing watch for Philip and only taking action if the old lady saw them).
Regardless of Martha's motivations (though I think loneliness is the most likely), I'm happy the writers have taken her plot line in a new and potentially interesting direction. It was the one area of the show that I felt was the weakest (be it the plausibility of the logistics of their part-time marriage, or the lack of a pay off for the viewers--have we ever been made aware of the intel the Russians were collecting from the pen-bug? It would have been stellar based on Gaad's position.)

I agree that the writers seemingly forced the issue wth the old lady. If confrontation was needed for the script they could have easily staged a scene where the lady happened to look down to the shop floor at Phillip, at which point Elizabth could have quickly escorted the lady into the office. Would have fit better.
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If your a fan or not on the The Americans remember we live in corporate America and it's all about the money. The Bridge and The Americans ratings were about the same and I didn't hear the word renewed yet so I'll be waiting. And when we all think the same way nobody is thinking at all.
The cancellation of The Bridge didn't bother me at all. Although I watched it and thought the performances were good, it never captured my imagination the way The Americans does. Every time I watch an episode, I feel cold chills. That's a good thing, it seems to me.

By the way, I assume you are still watching The Americans, so you are certainly entitled to express negative opinions about it. The folks who bother me are those who are not watching a show and nevertheless post negative opinions about it. That sort of thing is rank trollery.
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A man of reason. I've never missed an episode. I started getting turned off last year and now I'm critical of the show. What gets me is when people here tell me I should love it because the critics do. So this means I should love certain news networks because their the number one in news. I don't follow the herd.

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A man of reason. I've never missed an episode. I started getting turned off last year and now I'm critical of the show. What gets me is when people here tell me I should love it because the critics do. So this means I should love certain news networks because their the number one in news. I don't follow the herd.
Not at all. This man of reason suggests you should love it because it's very good and there is little better on the small screen in terms of plotting, acting, pacing, and attention to detail. That's a reasonable conclusion based on watching a lot of TV. Probably too much.

Your primary criticism is that it's boring. Considering practically every episode has at least one scene where I have to have my fingernails surgically removed from my palms, I find that particular criticism kind of... disingenuous. Most others here agree. And none of us are professional critics. (Well, maybe one of us.)

But honestly, if it bores you, don't waste your time. Instead, read a re-cap and re-capture an hour of your week that you can devote to something you don't find boring. You'll be happier. We'll be happier. Win-win!
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Also, we're puzzled as to why Elizabeth forced the issue with the old lady at the repair shop, there wasn't any need to go up there.
I thought the same thing. She didn't know anybody had broken in, so it would have made more sense for Elizabeth to stand guard to make sure the lady didn't leave the office. They probably set it up that way to juxtapose it with the witness possibly seeing Elizabeth's pupil during the last operation. It doesn't matter if you're young or old; if you might compromise the mission, the Jennings will protect themselves at any cost.

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What gets me is when people here tell me I should love it because the critics do. [...] I don't follow the herd.
We (or at least I) am not upset because you disagree with most of the people here. We're upset because you don't add anything to the discussion when you just say, "It's boring." OK... why? Having an opinion is fine, but you need to support it, or it really isn't worth offering it in the first place. Many of us have made specific criticisms of the show when things happen that don't make sense, such as offing the lady in the office when she didn't even know anything was wrong until Elizabeth barged in. You're welcome to level your own criticisms, too, but your posts don't advance the discussion when you don't give us anything to discuss.
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I agree that the writers seemingly forced the issue wth the old lady. If confrontation was needed for the script they could have easily staged a scene where the lady happened to look down to the shop floor at Phillip, at which point Elizabth could have quickly escorted the lady into the office. Would have fit better.
I think the scenario unfolded the way it did because Phil & Liz didn't know who was up there or who might have seen them. They didn't know it was just the old lady until Liz saw her, and they didn't know what that person might have already seen before P&L noticed the light come on. Once she was seen, there was no lie that Elizabeth could have come up with that would have made any sense. And the old lady had already seen her and could have ID'd her in any event. Her fate was sealed from that moment.
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This is suppose to be a killing that weighs on Elizabeth's conscience. She shed tears as they were leaving the shop because she connected in some way with the victim, especially how WWII affected their lives.

It may or may not undermine her loyalty to the cause, especially when E. said she does what she does to make the world a better place, despite having children, but Betty shot down that rationalization saying that's what evil people tell themselves.

Will she still turn over her children to this cause?
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That was a thoroughly gripping episode. It will be interesting to see where the tensions with Gabriel is headed now that Elizabeth's steadfastness seems to finally be waning to at least a small degree.

Another question is whether there is no turning back with Paige after the initial indoctrination.
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Ok I'll give you some thoughts. The whole Stan Nina and Oleg dynamics is totally absurd. Do you really believe that an agent like Stan would get involved with a Russian back in the 80's? I did like Stan going to the est meetings reminded me of a friend back in the 80's who used to call his wife an est hole. Then Paige getting involved in that church crap are you serious why put that in. Liz beating up Gadd and another agent? I could go back last few years and go over loose ends that weren't covered but I got so critical of this show that I can't give it shot anymore. Sorry but for you who like to tell others what to do well go jump in a lake.

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Ok I'll give you some thoughts. The whole Stan Nina and Oleg dynamics is totally absurd. Do you really believe that an agent like Stan would get involved with a Russian back in the 80's?
It's a fictional show, prove he wouldn't based on character motivation. He's trying to out a spy and at the same time use a common link to recruit a KGB officer for the purpose that fills both of their agendas.

Saying that wouldn't happen is like saying "That Aldrich Ames guy, totally loyal. He would never do anything to compromise National Security."


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If your a fan or not on the The Americans remember we live in corporate America and it's all about the money. The Bridge and The Americans ratings were about the same and I didn't hear the word renewed yet so I'll be waiting. And when we all think the same way nobody is thinking at all.
The Brige was canceled because the ratings trend was in decline and it was not working creatively or critically. Landgraf explained exactly why the show was not picked up and he has a proven track record of programming.

It's obvious you have nothing to contribute because you are not even watching the show with any interest. I'm not even sure why you care about waiting for the ratings unless it's to gloat if the show gets canceled.

So, by all means keep posting. I'll be one person who doesn't bother to see it and not miss anything of note.


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Landgraf is one of the best execs in the business. He cares more about potential than ratings and knows when a show is working or not. When it is working he will support it to the very end and give it as much leeway as possible.

One of his best quotes is ""We're not really a channel that's trying to be the highest-rated channel in television. We're trying as hard as we possibly can to be the best channel in television."

The failure to recognize a quality show is the problem of the audience and some members here. It's obvious to critics, executives, actors, writers etc. that The Americans is one of the best dramas on television.
And often such shows will do well on rerun or syndication. Paying their way.
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And often such shows will do well on rerun or syndication. Paying their way.
Not to mention overseas sales. Don't know how 'The Americans' does in terms of foreign syndication, but I imagine, being such a quality show, it would do well.
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The show is in no immediate threat of cancellation. The Americans generates a lot of buzz for FX and the network has usually been very loyal to its better shows. The show is probably too intense to ever be a big ratings hit, period dramas have never had big audiences. An Emmy win or two would really help its chances of sticking around a few years.
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