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Old 04-19-2015, 06:06 PM
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I guess now I understand why you don't like this show, because you don't seem to understand the way it works. Of course the Paige angle isn't dead: it's just begun. They're not going to ship her off to Russia to stay, either; even if Philip and Elizabeth were that heartless (which they aren't), it would raise too many red flags for their daughter to suddenly disappear.
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There's a possible out for Philip with Martha... He might just tell her everything now. Convince her that if he goes down, she goes down. The only way to save herself at this point is to stay the course. Keep in mind that the FBI doesn't have any tangible evidence to connect her with the bug. Stan has his suspicions, but he can't prove anything either. Just don't panic and everything will be okay.

And at some deeper level, she might recognize that the only way to save her life is if she does exactly what Philip suggests. Keep going to work and dodging the bullets. He'll let you go in the end. And he will; he won't off Martha unless he absolutely has to. He just can't.

But Elizabeth...
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The foreshadowing that goes on over the series ark is awesome.
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How do these "Americans" get back and forth to Russia?
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How do these "Americans" get back and forth to Russia?
They could go via diplomatic air or, as seen, a few times already, clandestine freighters....
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How do these "Americans" get back and forth to Russia?
They pretty much don't.

That's why Elizabeth has not seen her mom.

That's the whole point of being embedded. No strange disappearances. Just your average travel agent next door.
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How do these "Americans" get back and forth to Russia?

If they can get a kidnapped scientist from the U.S. to Russia, they can probably manage to transport two relatively anonymous women using fake IDs.
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How do these "Americans" get back and forth to Russia?
Aeroflot, assuming it is still before September 15, 1983 when Reagan revoked their licence to operate in the United States by executive order.
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Philip's reveal to Martha was really shocking to me but I think he's got to be using his conscience and will not kill her. I think the only card for him to play is as arch mentioned, that they're both in it too deep now and that the FBI has nothing to prove on her.

But I don't know how he gets past the real issue Martha has with it all being a pack of lies, she's clearly not handling that at all. She can't really believe that he loves her no matter what he says at this point.

Agree that Paige going to the USSR with Elizabeth will be interesting, think we all know that it's way more than just a simple visit to Grandma before she croaks.
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Philip's reveal to Martha was really shocking to me but I think he's got to be using his conscience and will not kill her. I think the only card for him to play is as arch mentioned, that they're both in it too deep now and that the FBI has nothing to prove on her.

But I don't know how he gets past the real issue Martha has with it all being a pack of lies, she's clearly not handling that at all. She can't really believe that he loves her no matter what he says at this point.

Agree that Paige going to the USSR with Elizabeth will be interesting, think we all know that it's way more than just a simple visit to Grandma before she croaks.
I agree. Though I doubt a kid raised as an American, who is an American, could see the Soviet system as better than ours and completely change over quickly. The only compelling reason would be the fear of her parents being imprisoned by US authorities or them returning to to the USSR and her and her brother leaving the only home they have ever known. On another note why should she believe her grandmother is really her grandmother; after all her Aunt was not really her Aunt. Pretty unsettling pressure to put on a 16 or 17 year old.
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I agree. Though I doubt a kid raised as an American, who is an American, could see the Soviet system as better than ours and completely change over quickly. The only compelling reason would be the fear of her parents being imprisoned by US authorities or them returning to to the USSR and her and her brother leaving the only home they have ever known. On another note why should she believe her grandmother is really her grandmother; after all her Aunt was not really her Aunt. Pretty unsettling pressure to put on a 16 or 17 year old.

As we've seen with Paige finding comfort and validation in the Church, she's looking for some greater meaning and purpose in life. Perhaps, seeing her mom's roots and how she was raised and the struggle from the Soviet perspective, Paige could be turned. Of course, it won't happen in one episode, but this could be the start.
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I see Paige as going to the USSR and not returning... That takes care of the issue of telling on her parents....

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How would Philip and Elizabeth explain their daughter's sudden disappearance? She's a bit young to be studying abroad.
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How would Philip and Elizabeth explain their daughter's sudden disappearance? She's a bit young to be studying abroad.
Although I doubt the show will have Paige staying in Russia, I suppose Philip and Elizabeth could create a story of her running away and possibly being abducted. The world in the '80s had no shortage of creeps preying on the young, and the story can be supported by the Reverend and his wife having a perception of Paige wanting to distance herself from her controlling parents.

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That reminds me, how has the pastor not said or done anything related to Philip almost killing him in his office? He's been pretending that everything's fine, but clearly he knows that Philip isn't your average travel agent/father.
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I guess will know Wednesday who understands this show.

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Phil and Liz break a women's bones so they can stuff her in a suitcase so they can get her out of a hotel, then Liz makes someones grandma overdose while she watches over her? If this isn't heartless I don't think I'll ever understand the definition of heartless? Cold blooded killers I'd say. And Phil cares to much for Martha? Maybe I don't know how this show works!

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Both Phil and Liz have gone out of their way to find excuses NOT to kill someone unless they absolutely had to - that doesn't mean they're a cute, lovable couple. They're efficient killers, but not cold-blooded, because the FEEL the emotional distress of taking someone's life, but are practiced enough to internalize it and not break down into a sobbing heap. Cold-blooded would describe sociopaths and others who either take pleasure in killing, or are completely indifferent to the act.
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Maybe instead of cold blooded I should have said collateral damage. But all armies teach solider's how to kill.

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At the beginning of the season, I thought it became bogged down in their anguish over indoctrinating Paige. I kept thinking, "come on, stop brooding and move on!" But, they developed it so well, and it became integrated so seamlessly in all the subplots, that I realized how brilliant the writers are.

I think this may be my favorite season thus far.

The only thing I don't like is the sidelining of Nina. I wish she was still in DC and in contact w/ Beeman and the Rezidentura staff. Maybe they plan to bring her back next season?
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I hope they have some brilliant plan for her next season, because if they don't, they should have just written her out of the show, rather than keeping her on the sidelines. If they really do have a five year plan, she may yet have a larger role to play: she's working on the scientist Philip kidnapped earlier, and if she succeeds and gets released, we'll probably be seeing more of her. Considering we even got to see where the previous rezident is working after Nina betrayed him, I think there's a plan for Nina going forward.
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I am anticipating Elizabeth and Paige leaving for Russia at the end of the finale tonight and when the show returns it will be three months after the trip or something similar.

So either they will just use it as a springboard to have Paige totally onboard without having to drag that out, or alternatively have flashbacks to significant events from the trip to make introductions to the spycraft and the people involved easier to get started with.


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I sure there will be some cliffhanger in Russia on the season finale.
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Very good finale although I thought the reunion was a bit too short. Emotionally impactful, but it was just missing the little something extra.

I knew what the cliffhanger would be as it had been Paige's struggle since she has joined her church group. If next season is the last I hope they go out with a bang, although I could see a 2 season finale arch going the way they handle it.


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That went nothing like I expected. Kudos to the show for taking a completely different approach to the Russia situation.

I agree it was lacking in something major but it did have lots of small details that were interesting and well done, like Stan coming out of the meeting with Gadd with a free pass to doing what he likes and Elizabeth's surprising meeting with her mom. Watching Philip hit a really low point was a fine performance from Rhys, from the opening moments when he just said straight out that "Everyday I feel like ****" to the ending despair was an Emmy worthy consideration.

The ending sent everyone in different directions. Philip ready to call it quits, Elizabeth apparently even more dedicated to defending the homeland and Paige potentially throwing everyone under the bus. The irony of Elizabeth's speech to Philip was well done too. Not very subtle, but a nicely timed parallel.

Dick move not showing the aftermath of Martha though and the killing of her co-worker left me scratching my head until the end trying to figure out if I was missing something. Until then I thought he was just a random guy to demonstrate Philip's mental state. That guy was barely shown in previous episodes and I blinked and missed his reappearance in the recap. I had to rewind the episode to try and remember if he was shown.


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Almost felt like it was written to be a possible series ending episode since it was not renewed until recently. So they didn't even go to Russia they only got to Germany and they brought her mother to her. Wasn't as good as the first two seasons, hopefully it gets back to it's early quality next year.
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In reality the Centre would never let Paige come home to screw it all up. God help us if we have leaders like Stan running the show. For some reason I can't stop watching this train wreck. Now That BCS and Justified are over I'll wait for Ray Donovan to start, sorry if my conclusions are different than others here, but to keep my thoughts to myself just to make others happy here is not going to happen. Ignore me please.

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No Martha in this episode. Thought we might see a continuation of Philip's confronting Martha.
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