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post #151 of 179 Old 09-13-2013, 12:50 PM
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Supposedly the broadcast networks are hurting so badly that they have the FCC proposing to drop the "obscenity" rules. Which is what this bleeping is about. It would bring the US up to date with other counties.

I've said this before, but other countries have similar rules to ours. There is a certain time where afterwards "bad" language, nudity, and explicit violence is allowed on TV, but not before. Its 10PM in the USA, its 9PM in the UK for example. However, unlike in the US many other countries enforce these rules on ALL TV channels, not just broadcast. Besides which, 3 of the 4 major broadcast channels are owned by huge media/cable conglomerates. If broadcast TV is really hurting so badly, why don't they spin off or sell those assets? The 4th channel is CBS which is doing quite well. And I say this as someone who couldn't give a **** about certain words being said out loud on TV.
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The profanity watershed is essentially useless, because the networks are too afraid of offending advertisers to take advantage of it.
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The profanity watershed is essentially useless, because the networks are too afraid of offending advertisers to take advantage of it.
Except that they have to "eyes" to sell to the advertisers. They don't if everyone is off watching edgier programming on cable networks or streaming.
http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/broadcasters-tell-fcc-that-audiene-decline-makes-indecency-rules-archaic/
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They're losing viewers due to the inane nature of their programs, not because their shows' characters don't cuss frequently enough. I agree that the indecency rules are archaic, but they are hardly the reason for the popularity of cable programming. Networks' tendency to approve cookie-cutter crime dramas and competition shows while cancelling anything remotely unique after three episodes when it doesn't instantly draw massive viewership numbers are bigger reasons to watch cable series, as those networks often greenlight shows with riskier premises and are slower to cancel ones that initially underperform.
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They're losing viewers due to the inane nature of their programs, not because their shows' characters don't cuss frequently enough. I agree that the indecency rules are archaic, but they are hardly the reason for the popularity of cable programming. Networks' tendency to approve cookie-cutter crime dramas and competition shows while cancelling anything remotely unique after three episodes when it doesn't instantly draw massive viewership numbers are bigger reasons to watch cable series, as those networks often greenlight shows with riskier premises and are slower to cancel ones that initially underperform.
I have to agree.

I watch more cable series than OTA series now - and none of them have any real cursing or any violence or sexual content beyond that of anything on the big 4.

Not only are many of the cable shows more compelling with more creative stories and characters, they also seldom get cancelled quickly like often happens on the broadcast nets. Rubicon seems to be one of the few exceptions wh nit comes to cable dramas getting the quick ax.

Plus, the cable networks are a little more willing to put more serialized plots out there because audiences get multiple times to catch an episode if they miss it the first time - something that can even happen with a DVR due to tuner conflicts. They also tend to run marithions leading up to the next season so people can catch up and remember what happened between seasons.

The problem with the broadcast networks now days is they think every show needs to be a hit. It's not enough for a show to do well - it has to win the time slot.

Broadcast network dramas seem to get more bland and generic every season - then they complain that cable is getting all the Emmy love.

Well, there you go.

The real problem with broadcast TV is not that they can't use profanity, it's that they just don't seem to know what they're doing anymore. Even with CBS constantly delivering successful procedurals, that only indicates the eyeball network knows how to rinse and repeat their successful products. It doesn't mean they're doing anything better than the rest so much as it means they've managed to flow chart the same programs to a stable audience time and again.

Fox and ABC tend to jump on fads and occasionally make shows that seem risky, but come down to more the result of product integration with the mothership studio. The problem is, sometimes they jump on the fads when the audience is already done with them.

NBC, on the other hand, goes to the remake well time and again - but almost always seems to lack any appreciation for the history of those past productions. That causes them to make shows that new viewers lose interest in quickly and cause viewers of the original content to run away even quicker.
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I think that it is crazy to think that we will watch something BECAUSE they swear, but in the current season of Suits they became enamored of the word **** and used it to death in a couple of episodes. it seems to have died out but man while the writers were amused by that it was quite jarring.
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I think that it is crazy to think that we will watch something BECAUSE they swear, but in the current season of Suits they became enamored of the word **** and used it to death in a couple of episodes. it seems to have died out but man while the writers were amused by that it was quite jarring.
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Appears that many viewers of the show have noticed, complained, and stopped watching the show for its liberal use of obscenities.

http://forums.usanetwork.com/index.php?s=98686b8d26c08b85784b8f3f52368ad0&showtopic=453394

Hey, at least they don't bleep the words like the other networks; e.g. E! on Kardashians. But it does seem to mimic the trend in obscenity-filled dialogue now seen ubiquitously on late night (will Fallon be the first host of "The Tonight Show" to utter obscenities in its sex-decade run?) and creeping into prime time programming quickly, an area that was rarely had obscenities prior to the last few years.

Explanations for a) the trend b) why Suits does not bleep out the swear words while most cable shows do; e.g., Southland.
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Explanations for a) the trend b) why Suits does not bleep out the swear words while most cable shows do; e.g., Southland.
Southland started out on NBC, not on cable, so the die was somewhat cast there.

Further, the show acts almost like a "Cops" ride-along show. In other words, it's a TV show mimicking a TV show about cops on patrol. Hence, the bleep the curse words to reinforce that illusion.
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Bleeping seems to be related to certain shows. Syfy will bleep on some shows and others such as Continuum not. It's really not about swear words but allowing producers to make more realistic series. Most broadcast shows are so inane I can't stand anymore than 10 minutes of them. A few pushed the envelope such as "Hannibal". And the public is beginning to find out that watching an uncut movie streaming is more satisfying than investing in a half-baked broadcast TV series over 13 weeks. Times change.

PS: Dean Norris had a lot of fun with AMC causing them to bleep some things he said on Talking Bad.
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.... (will Fallon be the first host of "The Tonight Show" to utter obscenities in its sex-decade run?) .

Which decade was the sex decade? I vote for the Sevenites! cool.gif

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.... (will Fallon be the first host of "The Tonight Show" to utter obscenities in its sex-decade run?)

Which decade was the sex decade? I vote for the Sevenites!

While we're at it, which faction were the Sevenites?  Some heptatheistic cult from the sex decade?

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Kudos to "The View." The producers are now editing out the profanity instead of bleeping it out. Add that to Craig Ferguson's "The Late, Late Show" where they cover swearing with a soft sound, and maybe the networks can start to reverse the creeping of bleeping....or at least slow it down. We have enough high-pitch beeps with all the construction vehicles and now most commericial vans bleeping throughout the day, let alone the constant high-pitch bleeps in parking lots.

I would think that people living next to these sites would not be pleased. Am I wrong? Even if insist on bleeps/beeps, no need for making them so high-pitched. Actually, low-pitch sounds would be more effective and easier on the ear.

Now we even have motorized shopping carts at a growing number of stores that emit such a loud, high-pitch beep on backing up you can hear it literally half way across the store. Target is a big culprit.
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Reverse-gear beeps are supposed to be annoying in order to get people's attention and make sure they're aware that the vehicle is in motion and is moving backward.  Obviously that factor doesn't apply to substitution noises over television dialogue.
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The View agin refused to conform to a mainstream media and again edited out obscenities rather than bleeping them out! I can hardly believe the show's management has that much class and perception when all around you see failures and incompetence in this area. Today James Spader said donkey hole....and edited it out! No jarring, high pich bleeps, just a silent edit. Nice. Major kudos to the producers of The View!
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Tonight, ABC stepped to a new low by bleeping out a swear word on a live telecast (Miley Cirus). Never before has this occurred. Networks had enough class, what little is left of it, to at least silence swear words in these live shows; e.g., award shows. No more. Indeed, the creeping, or more salient, the flood of bleeping.
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More example of the insidiouscreeping of bleeping. Once you could watch television with no bleeping, thenjust at late night; now it has invaded prime time and is spreading. I decidedto watch "Marry Me," and within the first minute of the show a womaninjects a Epi-Pen into her husband's thigh and he and he and he guess what....hebleeeeeeeeeped. So annoying on my home theatre system. Freaking writers have solittle talent that need to rely on cheap profanity producing cheep noise rather than wit and actual words. Unbelievable.


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Somewhere on AVS Forum somebody quoted a review taking David Caspe to task for all the gratuitous profanity on "Marry Me," which apparently is recorded with the actual swearing pronounced.  The reviewer had seen advance copies of the first two or three episodes with every F-bomb and whatnot straight from the performers’ mouths.

Caspe got through three seasons of "Happy Endings" without needing to do that (or with misrepresenting Chicago; there are no Rite-Aid stores here, and a mistake like that would never have slipped through on his and Wilson's previous series).
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To answer my previous questions....yes, since the retirement of Leno, the new hosts are now freely swearing in their monologues. Probably the worst in Seth Meyers. He will routinely drop f-bombs on jokes that would not get ANY laughter except for the shock of the f-bomb.


Can anyone explain what is going on? To do so you will have to answer the following almost incredulous U-turn in late night. Steve Allen never swore on air; Jack Paar never swear on air; in over 30 years Johnny Carson never swore on air; in over 20 years Jay Leno never swore on air; to my knowledge in over 30 years David Letterman never sore on air....then you have a neophyte like Meyers would routinely drops f-bombs and other obscenities that are bleeped (for which I find the sound as irritating on fingernails on a chalkboard; e.g. I can hear the noise in a remote bedroom even if I cannot hear the TV, and I can fall asleep watching TV and the bleep will wake me up. WTF does the bleep have to be so invasive?). Fallon, while not as bad a Meyers, has also sworn multiple times on his monologue as has Kimmel. No one seems to notice the change. I mean....from ZERO over 60 years to almost nightly.
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You mean you don't count "double-yu cee" as swearing?
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You mean you don't count "double-yu cee" as swearing?
Not sure what that means.
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The best part is that broadcasters openly admit that bleeping accomplishes nothing by putting an "L" warning in front of shows that contain bleeping.

If bleeping is supposed to erase "bad" language from the show, then shows with bleeps should not have an "L" warning attached to them, as the bleeping should be considered to have removed all of the objectionable content.

The fact that bleeped shows still contain an "L" warning means that the broadcasters are openly aware that bleeping doesn't accomplish anything to the point that they still feel compelled to warn viewers about the show's language, even though said language has supposedly been cleansed from the soundtrack. Either bleeping erases the "bad" language and thus the "L" warning should be removed, or the "L" warning should be kept and the bleeping should be removed, since it doesn't remove the "bad" language anyway. Broadcasters should make up their minds, as they can't have it both ways.

As for why profanity is so common in modern comedy, it's easier to get a quick laugh by being crass than by being clever, and the childish American attitude towards language only exacerbates the problem. If adults act like children and laugh when other adults use "bad" words, then they shouldn't be surprised when comedians give them the kind of material that's known to make them laugh. If American audiences would grow up and seek out more sophisticated humour, then comedians would be forced to alter their acts accordingly.
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As for why profanity is so common in modern comedy, it's easier to get a quick laugh by being crass than by being clever
I guess that is why I tend to not like most modern comedies.

I watched one movie where bad words were replaced by silence. At least it wasn't the jarring beep, but it took me a while to figure out that it was the removal of bad words and not a lose cable. If I had my preference and they wanted to block bad words, I think silence with an on-screen blurring of the mouth speaking would be the best: not hearing the word the network doesn't want me to hear but also an indication that I am not experiencing audio drop-outs.

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Jack famously was censored for saying WC (Water Closet).
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Jack famously was censored for saying WC (Water Closet).
Yes, iGreg, it's as TJ said.  As if the two actual words of "water closet" weren't already a euphemism, Paar got into a lot of controversy for using just the initials and uttering "W. C." on the air.  I'm surprised you didn't know.  A dozen years later Carroll O'Connor could, in character as Archie Bunker, freely say "terlet" (on a network with a reputation for heavier censorship) with far less outcry.

As for Steve Allen, he may not have used profane words on the air but some of his extreme right-wing rhetoric offended me plenty.
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As for why profanity is so common in modern comedy, it's easier to get a quick laugh by being crass than by being clever, and the childish American attitude towards language only exacerbates the problem. If adults act like children and laugh when other adults use "bad" words, then they shouldn't be surprised when comedians give them the kind of material that's known to make them laugh. If American audiences would grow up and seek out more sophisticated humour, then comedians would be forced to alter their acts accordingly.
Losing battle. As Bill Mahar might say, "I'm not dirty, I just live in a dirty world." OTOH, I actually find words like gosh, darn ... 'double hockey sticks,' ... "fracking" more annoying than their "uncensored" versions. Sometimes you just need a good catharsis .... [sigh] .... LOL .... Like I said, losing battle. (47)

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On tonight's Law & Order: SVU the defense attorney used the term "cuckolding" in court

Not sure if I've ever heard an NBC show say that. Pretty kinky.
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A long time ago I was told that people who swear a lot do it because they aren't intelligent enough to communicate otherwise.

I have yet to see that disproven.
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On tonight's Law & Order: SVU the defense attorney used the term "cuckolding" in court

Not sure if I've ever heard an NBC show say that. Pretty kinky.
I seem to recall Elliot calling someone an a$$hole on an episode or two too.
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.... (will Fallon be the first host of "The Tonight Show" to utter obscenities in its sex-decade run?)


Which decade was the sex decade? I vote for the Sevenites!


While we're at it, which faction were the Sevenites? Some heptatheistic cult from the sex decade?

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