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post #841 of 870 Old 05-15-2015, 08:20 AM
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I had a friend who was a former police detective. Boy did he have tales to tell. And a well know author used to hang out in his shop and probably used some of them in his books. No it wasn't Elmore Leonard but the stories were that weird and the criminals as stupid.
Well those are the ones they catch. You don't hear about successful criminals.
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Well those are the ones they catch. You don't hear about successful criminals.
Exactly... the Following is a show about the guy that is hard to catch... not about the ones they catch. A show about the easy-to-catch cult/serial killer would be much shorter!

Real life has lots of people they haven't been able to catch... some they come close... and some they eventually catch only to discover retroactively that they had caught a couple of times before and let slip through their fingers.

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The issue many have with this show is not whether it's realistic or not. The issue is lazy and or stupid writing. How many times can one watch an FBI "consultant" enter a dark cellar, dungeon, fill in the blank, by themselves without waiting for back up, only to get clobbered and taken prisoner? If said agent can't learn not to do that after three times either he has a learning disability, or the writers have no talent.

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Depends on how you look at it... and I'm not fully defending the show either... but I've known plenty of people in the real world who never seem to learn from their mistakes... they'll keep doing the same stupid thing in the same stupid way, even getting hurt doing it... and yet they never learn. I could definitely see some of these people as flawed characters in real life who just keep taking the same risks over and over, even though they often screw up... and yet they keep making the same errors of judgment, jumping in without looking first.

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I'm disappointed that it's been cancelled, but joe made the show. I do like how it's progressed with theo
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Depends on how you look at it... and I'm not fully defending the show either... but I've known plenty of people in the real world who never seem to learn from their mistakes... they'll keep doing the same stupid thing in the same stupid way, even getting hurt doing it... and yet they never learn. I could definitely see some of these people as flawed characters in real life who just keep taking the same risks over and over, even though they often screw up... and yet they keep making the same errors of judgment, jumping in without looking first.
Well, I think I covered that under "Learning disability".

In your example, if that were the case, then:

1. Do you continue to hang out with those people? I woulden't. Why? Because it's irritating! So if I choose not to keep watching real people do the same stupid things over and over, I certainly am not going to find it entertaining watching ficticious people act that way.

2. Even if there are people that stupid, I don't see why the writers would make their lead charactor act that way. Is it supposed to make me like him more? Should I feel sorry for him, being that he has a learning disability? If that's the best the writers can come up with, I'll just stop watching.
Oh wait. That's what I did. And apparently, so did many others.

3. I think you just described the plot of every episode of The Three Stooges!

Maybe Ryan entering that dark, secluded, dangerous place without back up, over and over, is a metaphor for the writers lazily writing the same basic scene over and over. If so, I guess that makes it art!

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I guess I always look at Ryan, at least, as a tragically flawed character. Remember the setup for him from the very first episode is that he felt like everyone close to him dies or leaves... he has/had a history of people dying around him... so at some point you begin to have a complex about that.

Then the thing with Joe... where Joe says "admit you really are kind of like me." It might seem silly... but there is often a fine line between the good guy and the bad guy. Depending on the situation, they might kill a lot of people.

Think about it...

Serial killers tend to have a type... something that connects their victims... and they can't help but kill... Ryan is an FBI agent, he has had to kill a lot of people... everyone he kills has been a killer. Not that Ryan is a bad guy, but psychologically you could make a case that he is a serial killer of serial killers. Ryan does seem to have obsession and doesn't seem to feel guilt or remorse over killing... Most people, even cops and soldiers, have guilt over killing even when they knew it was the right thing to do in that moment... it's what makes them human AND the good guys... they kill because they had to, but wish they didn't have to... but sometimes, you get "used" to the killing... like Ryan.

People with obsessions make mistakes. So then some of the "why is he doing this" stuff makes more sense... he has blinders on... Mike has a little of this to some extent. Ryan's niece doesn't have their problem, but she has a "I need to protect them from themselves" problem that sometimes puts a different kind of blinder on her.

It's not all 100% realistic... I grant you that. But it isn't all that far off either, for a bunch of flawed characters.

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The issue many have with this show is not whether it's realistic or not. The issue is lazy and or stupid writing. How many times can one watch an FBI "consultant" enter a dark cellar, dungeon, fill in the blank, by themselves without waiting for back up, only to get clobbered and taken prisoner? If said agent can't learn not to do that after three times either he has a learning disability, or the writers have no talent.

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Wasn't that a different season? I thought he was a consultant on a previous season. Like the first? I thought he is an actual FBI agent in this season?

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I think he was a consulttant on season 1 and then a full FBI agent for season 2 and 3.
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Wasn't that a different season? I thought he was a consultant on a previous season. Like the first? I thought he is an actual FBI agent in this season?
And that justifies the lazy writing how?

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And that justifies the lazy writing how?

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What justifies it is that it's TV. Lazy writing is the rule, not the exception.
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Nina looks very nice.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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What justifies it is that it's TV. Lazy writing is the rule, not the exception.
Apparently it got justified off the air.

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Just a so so finally to a so so show.

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I really liked this season and I'm surprised it got cancelled.

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I think he was a consulttant on season 1 and then a full FBI agent for season 2 and 3.

Ryan was a consultant, sucked into the original Cult plot .. he also had a heart condition that magically cured itself .. by the time of the finale, the Cult angle had also magically disappeared .. I will say, the writers left the final scene open enough for the upcoming Kevin Bacon spin-off "The Baconator" ..

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After a laughable farce of a 1st season (my wife made me watch it...it's the Bacon thing...), this show got way better in seasons 2 and 3. Some eps really ramped up the tension, were almost believable, and the acting improved too. This series "finale", though, was a dud for me. At times it seemed to venture into season 1 silliness. Theo (a character I thought was actually very well done) survives a bullet to the head and continues to attack?? And where the hell was Joe, dammit? You'd think that a character who stole the show for so long would deserve one more ghostly comeback in the finale. I kept waiting to see him and Ryan walk arm-in-arm into the sunset as they start a vigilante quest to rid the world of serial killers.
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It wasn't a true series finale they shot the season ender based on the show coming back. It was not filmed knowing it was canceled.
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sharks gonna get jumped.

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Seems like next season could have been better than these, with Ryan slowly becoming a vigilante murderer like " Dexter" ......
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You're giving the writers way too much credit to say that.
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Seems like next season could have been better than these, with Ryan slowly becoming a vigilante murderer like " Dexter" ......
after two eps of him following them around they would pull it from the schedule. Without Joe this show was done.
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Agree. It started with them killing off Emma in season 2. Aside from Joe she was the most interesting character. The only hope the show really had was to break Joe out somehow in season 3 and they went the opposite.

The whole allure of the show in season 1 was the cult status and chasing Joe.
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A lot of TV series these days run like "we got greenlit, now what do we do?"
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Agree. It started with them killing off Emma in season 2. Aside from Joe she was the most interesting character. The only hope the show really had was to break Joe out somehow in season 3 and they went the opposite.

The whole allure of the show in season 1 was the cult status and chasing Joe.
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stupidity of the story finish aside, the last 10 or so minutes seemed like it was shot in different months, with different equipment etc.

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A lot of TV series these days run like "we got greenlit, now what do we do?"
I think it's more of a lot of show ideas only work for one or two seasons. Prison Break and the like. I think there should be more one season "13 episode" event types of shows.
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Unless HOTP is wrong it's a repeat and a new one tonight..

That's wrong, last week was the season/series finale
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I think it's more of a lot of show ideas only work for one or two seasons. Prison Break and the like. I think there should be more one season "13 episode" event types of shows.
A lot of these people can't even write 13 good episodes. That's why I like the 6 or 8 rich episode model many foreign networks follow.
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