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They had one commercial break. I was wondering why the DVR (I was watching NF) didn't kick in at 10 PM but then it did at 10:15. Figured it was due to "The Office" finale. Good Hannibal episode BTW. Even nicer without having to hit the skip button that much. This is good television and there needs to be more of it. Doesn't mean dark series but more care about story and less about contrived formulas.
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That fight was epic, "sociopath arena", I'll watch that show if they made it LOL

Hannibal kicked some arse even with the unarmed disadvantage..

Wasn't this the guy from The Unit?

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I finally watched the first episode. I think it is pretty good. They found a good actor for Hannibal. (watch the movie Jagten, aka the hunt, to see the same actor in a very different role.) his accent is a bit hard to follow. I think the writing is good. I would prefer they take several episodes to solve a case. One serial killer every week is too much.

Things I don't like: why were Crawford and Graham shouting in the bathroom? I don't care for trumped up drama. Why is a nervous wreck like Graham allowed to carry a gun? Why did they have a consultant and a psychiatrist going around, unaccompanied, acting as investigators? Visiting a possible killer?

I think they overplay Graham's neuroses. I realize someone who does this kind of work will have issues, but this guy seems barely functional.
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To a large degree I have to go against the grain on this show. For me it's style over substance. The tension is there but if/when I look back at an episode each one appears virtually identical to the others. Perhaps the story arc is so strong it overrides everything else leaving the feeling that nothing is really happening. Don't get me wrong it has plenty of style but in this case I think less would have been more... perhaps a short mini-series.


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Since it is a De Laurentis production then it is definitely more European in style and less American contrived series. Though I tend to agree with briefer seasons they are doing a good job of keeping things interesting without bottle episodes.
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Did they announce renewal yet?

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I just remembered that the actor who played Tobius is the same guy who played Raphael the Archangel on Supernatural. A very creepy actor.
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Loved this week's episode. Finally Hannibal meets a kindred spirit - an educated, erudite, cultured psychopath like himself. And wants to kill him.

At first I thought Hannibal would save Franklin's life by getting him out of the room when Tobias showed up. It wouldn't be the first person whose life he's saved. Then, when the good doctor kills him via neck-snap, I thought it was because he didn't want Tobias to get Franklin's blood splashed all over the office - hard to explain later. But it turned out to be part of Hannibal's alibi, since he knew he was going to have to kill Tobias after all. Great fight scene too, which I didn't expect.

Love all the little details they consistently get right. We knew right away Will was imagining the raccoons in the chimney because his pack of dogs weren't barking. Also enjoyed the primer on how catgut violin strings are made. Who knew?

But what's the biggest reason I love this show? I'm kind of a foodie and each episode features a serious food-porn component. Oddly enough considering its subject matter, I'm always hungry after watching. tongue.gif
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Wasn't this the guy from The Unit?

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I just remembered that the actor who played Tobius is the same guy who played Raphael the Archangel on Supernatural. A very creepy actor.

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Loved this week's episode. Finally Hannibal meets a kindred spirit - an educated, erudite, cultured psychopath like himself. And wants to kill him.

At first I thought Hannibal would save Franklin's life by getting him out of the room when Tobias showed up. It wouldn't be the first person whose life he's saved. Then, when the good doctor kills him via neck-snap, I thought it was because he didn't want Tobias to get Franklin's blood splashed all over the office - hard to explain later. But it turned out to be part of Hannibal's alibi, since he knew he was going to have to kill Tobias after all. Great fight scene too, which I didn't expect.

Love all the little details they consistently get right. We knew right away Will was imagining the raccoons in the chimney because his pack of dogs weren't barking. Also enjoyed the primer on how catgut violin strings are made. Who knew?

But what's the biggest reason I love this show? I'm kind of a foodie and each episode features a serious food-porn component. Oddly enough considering its subject matter, I'm always hungry after watching. tongue.gif
I think Hannibal killed Franklin mostly because he wanted to. Franklin was annoying. Also, he wanted to spoil it for the other psycho and had decided to kill them both. As far as the food business. I'm with you, but his choice of entrees no matter if human or animal, may be gourmet, but the base flavors from my experience would still put me off. Tripe, kidney, liver and brains just don't appeal no matter how disguised. Though I have like venison brains and eggs for breakfast on occasion. Heart can be quite tasty if prepared properly as I'm sure Hannibal does.

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These guys are more sociopaths than psychopaths, although Tobias at the end was more "Psyco", uncontrolled urge to kill with no fear of consequences and killing cops in broad daylight and leaving another alive.

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These guys are more sociopaths than psychopaths, although Tobias at the end was more "Psyco", uncontrolled urge to kill with no fear of consequences and killing cops in broad daylight and leaving another alive.
Sociopaths from my ynderstanding don't kill without a reason. If they do it's goal oriented, a means to an end in whatever game of self agradisment they are playing. They operate very effectively, but if they do kill in bizarre circumstances it's for a purpose. They might get off for the excitment, but wouldn't necessarily care to be arcane about method. They can be right beside you and you'd never guess they weren;t the nicest people until you catch them in their lies. The killers depicted in Hannibal are definitely psychopaths, dark, ritualistic, some have the ability to hide in plain sight, but they can't fake their oddness. Hannibal posing as a pshychiatrist, lets him get away with appearing normal, only because shrinks spout pschco-babble whenever confronted with odd behavior..

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Wow it seems viewers aren't still interesting in Hannibal, again with abysmal ratings, I don't see how it will survive.

Even if the episodes are getting better and better, acting is superb, etc.

It was a quite intriguing reveal by Abby, I truly believe she didn't know about her father...

Tracy Spiridakos should take notes from this actress BTW

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Yeah, I think this is going to be another really well-done and different kind of show that's going to end up in a premature death - just like many of the Hannibal's victims.
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Get your plastic human organs ready to be sent to NBC...

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I really have to apolgize to everyone here. If I hadn't discovered 'Hannibal', liked it and started watching it, this show would be killing it in the ratings right now. Recent television history is very clear on this phenomenum. This is all my fault. Sorry. frown.gif
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To a large degree I have to go against the grain on this show. For me it's style over substance. The tension is there but if/when I look back at an episode each one appears virtually identical to the others. Perhaps the story arc is so strong it overrides everything else leaving the feeling that nothing is really happening. Don't get me wrong it has plenty of style but in this case I think less would have been more... perhaps a short mini-series.

I haven't seen all the eps yet but yes the show follows a formula. Grisly crime scene, Graham does his channeling thing, they go over the body on the lab, Graham comes up with some insight, they track down the killer.

But, the cases almost don't matter, aside from the gruesome inventiveness of the murder. What makes the show good is the interaction between the three leads. The dialog is very well written. The way they handled revelation of Crawford's wife's cancer and how she and Hannibal and she and Crawford talked about it is as good as anything I've seen on tv this year.

Problem for the show is it is too gruesome for people who may appreciate the characters and dialog, but not interesting enough plot wise for the people who like procedurals -- not enough intricacies and twists and turns and so forth. The 12 episode a season / killer of the week structure doesn't help.

This show needs to be on the bbc or cable or pay channel. What I'd like to see is one or two cases per season, with a portion of the show devoted to Hannibal's private practice, where he's "treating" killers / potential killers and messing with sane but neurotic patients for his own amusement. For example, he can make his patients feel better about themselves and be more functional but at the same time become very destructive to people around them. Like an evil Paul Weston.
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^^^ I said that (re where is should be aired) when I 1st heard about the show. I think NBC has done a fine job with the contraints they have to work within. If this show does get cancled, hopefully someone like TNT or the like picks it up and lets it run. We have seen success in the past and while the subject matter is "gruesome" I think the actors are doing a fine job, heck Id tune in for the music alone....
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Just where is that beach at Grafton, West Virginia? I checked Google Maps and the biggest body of water nearby is Tygart Lake. Those were some pretty serious waves for a dammed up river. rolleyes.gif
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Just where is that beach at Grafton, West Virginia? I checked Google Maps and the biggest body of water nearby is Tygart Lake. Those were some pretty serious waves for a dammed up river. rolleyes.gif

I was once on the Colorado River just north of Davis Dam (Lake Mojave) in a 28 foot cabin cruiser. Wind was up. The waves were so big on the lake that I actually got seasick....

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From the "Hot Off The Press" Thread (top of 'HDTV Programming' page). cool.gif

TV Notes
'Hannibal' Renewed for Second Season by NBC
By Tim Kenneally, TheWrap.com - May 30, 2013

NBC has given a second season to its serial-killer drama "Hannibal," the network said Thursday.

The 13-episode second season of "Hannibal," will air "no earlier than midseason," NBC said.

The series follows serial killer Hannibal Lecter (played by Mads Mikkelsen) in his early days, and his relationship with criminal profiler Will Graham (Hugh Dancy), who has a unique ability to peer into the mind of serial killers.

Though the series premiered in April to a relatively soft 1.6 rating/4 share in the advertiser-coveted 18-49 demographic, it's currently averaging a 2.0/6 and 4.7 million total viewers.

The drama is based on the characters from the novel “Red Dragon” by Thomas Harris and was developed for television by Bryan Fuller, who also serves as writer and executive producer.

"We’re so proud of Bryan’s vision for a show that is richly textured, psychologically complex, and very compelling," NBC Entertainment president Jennifer Salke said. "There are many great stories still to be told."

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I couldn't handle the movie this was based on, but I'm sort of enjoying the show.
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Wow this show doesn't stop surprising me, I really thought that the second victim was the crazy chick's doing... and Hannibal has the perfect cover up, she can't see faces (maybe if she recovers and talks the hairdo give him away?)

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Same here. Didn't think it would be so compelling or that I'd enjoy it. But it is and I do.
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I was pleased but surprised to learn that NBC had renewed Hannibal. I had been afraid that it would be another show I loved, Rubicon for example, that was too smart for its own good. Also, the subject matter is so disturbing and often violent, the show, like Thomas Harris' books upon which the show is based, turns off some viewers. Hannibal was really helped by the wonderful performances of its ensemble cast, especially those of Hugh Dancy and Mads Mikkelsen. By the way, I saw and was impressed by Mikkelsen's older brother, Lars Mikkelsen, in a costarring role in the first season of the Danish version of The Killing.
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Glad to hear about the renewal. In the case of Hannibal, a 13 ep second season sounds about right. Even if the show was a ratings juggernaut, I cannot see them stretching out this Red Dragon prequel much beyond 2 to 3 seasons.

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I think I've read somewhere that it would take 3 seasons to catch Hannibal or something like that... being only 13 episodes per season I could believe that..

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Glad to hear it's renewed. It's "outside the box" good television, at least for the US. Last night's episode looked like a reunion of "The Big C". Now if they just had Laura Linney or Oliver Platt drop by. I have to admit after "The Big C" to take John Hickey (Dr. Sutcliffe) very seriously. I kept expecting him to crack a joke. biggrin.gif
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The show must be crap (since it was renewed). smile.gif


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Man Will should switch or train the dogs, the pack is worthless, Hannibal already glanced in with some sausage to calm them, now the dead woman first peeks thru the windows w/o a single bark, then she enters the home, goes under the bed and only one dog was kind of upset and another one wagging his tail...

And why so many dogs?

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